Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6542|Texas - Bigger than France
I thought I'd oversimplify this for discussion purposes.


Well, its the consumer.  Load your ass up on debt.  Ask for more debt.  More debt is given to you.

Is it right to blame the government?  They are merely giving the consumer what they want, right?
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6493|Connecticut
Canada
Malloy must go
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6632|949

Its the liberals.  Wait, Bill Clinton.  No, Obama.  No, GWB.  No, aliens from deep space 9.

Consumers
Government
Financial institutions
economic system

Varying degrees of accountability for all.  Maybe if I feel like it I will elucidate for the dumb-dumbs here.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6662|USA
Overspending = loss of dollar value.

Bush' fault.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6651|USA
The consumer

But do not try and tell the liberals that, they have someone to blame for every act and every decision that does not result in total success for them.

Blame the banks, blame the govt., blame Bush, blame the rich, hell now you can even blame history,  take your pick, but do not for one second blame the idiot who put HIMSELF in a debt and can not/will not pay.
War Man
Australians are hermaphrodites.
+563|6714|Purplicious Wisconsin

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Overspending = loss of dollar value.

Bush' fault.
The democrats are the overspenders
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Brasso
member
+1,549|6630

the fucking banks
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6548|San Diego, CA, USA
I knew it was all those bad loans to illegals (*cough* BofA *cough* WaMu *cough*). 

But really its the fact that we allowed N.I.N.J.A.'s (No Income No Job Applicants), to get loans just to make a quick buck.  They should let these banks fail or else this will keep happening.

Oh btw, they want to bailout Foreign banks too.



Bailout is Corporate Warfare that leads to Socialism
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6324|New Haven, CT
Both the consumers and the banks. Avarice and stupidity are not a pleasant mixture.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6662|USA

lowing wrote:

The consumer

But do not try and tell the liberals that, they have someone to blame for every act and every decision that does not result in total success for them.

Blame the banks, blame the govt., blame Bush, blame the rich, hell now you can even blame history,  take your pick, but do not for one second blame the idiot who put HIMSELF in a debt and can not/will not pay.
These 'bad loans' weren't bad when they got them. The value of the dollar has dropped since we began spending billions on killing terror. Rising costs with dropping dollar value = economic crisis.

The Bush admin is at fault. But at least it was spent right.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6447|Chicago, IL
The American people for borrowing beyond their means, and the greedy banks for gambling on poor credit scores.
SealXo
Member
+309|6536
Banks.
Deregulation which was bipartisan
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6761

this pretty much started in '99 with the push of sub prime loans.  you are all correct in naming who you are naming, but they are ALL lumped in.  there is no singular reason/person.
Yellowman03
Once Again, We Meet at Last
+108|6235|Texas
improper data and speculation that led to lowered interest rates. Unwary consumers and investors took advantage, but were screwed when the housing market plummeted. Investment banks and banks lost money, people panicked, and here we are. Boy that was fast...it only took a year.

edit: first post in a very long time. couldn't escape.

Last edited by Yellowman03 (2008-09-24 18:39:20)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6542|Texas - Bigger than France

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

These 'bad loans' weren't bad when they got them. The value of the dollar has dropped since we began spending billions on killing terror. Rising costs with dropping dollar value = economic crisis.

The Bush admin is at fault. But at least it was spent right.
But...they are the same loans they signed for:  you know the ones where you don't put money down and sign to pay at the lowest interest rates ever in history.

I mean, the interest rates were sooooo low....there's no way rates will increase, ever right?  A little naive imho
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6761

Pug wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

These 'bad loans' weren't bad when they got them. The value of the dollar has dropped since we began spending billions on killing terror. Rising costs with dropping dollar value = economic crisis.

The Bush admin is at fault. But at least it was spent right.
But...they are the same loans they signed for:  you know the ones where you don't put money down and sign to pay at the lowest interest rates ever in history.

I mean, the interest rates were sooooo low....there's no way rates will increase, ever right?  A little naive imho
simple concept really.  if its too good to be true, it usually is.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6542|Texas - Bigger than France

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Its the liberals.  Wait, Bill Clinton.  No, Obama.  No, GWB.  No, aliens from deep space 9.

Consumers
Government
Financial institutions
economic system

Varying degrees of accountability for all.  Maybe if I feel like it I will elucidate for the dumb-dumbs here.
I pick you because I know you'll spill it.

Why the government?  Isn't the lifestyle we want dictated by how much money we can get?  So the government eases the restrictions and allows it to happen.  Isn't the government supposed to give us what we want?  And when it's given to us, its the government's fault?

I think we did this to ourselves by whining like a bunch of five year olds.  And now we are going to whine ourselves out of it.  That's whats great about this country, we can modify our plans if it doesn't work right.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6542|Texas - Bigger than France

usmarine wrote:

simple concept really.  if its too good to be true, it usually is.
And we're gonna pay.  A little painful, but needed.

Imagine making $45k a year and living in a $500k home with two monster trucks.  The American dream, all bought on credit.

So they take it away.  Ruined your credit.  Big deal.  You weren't working under the premise of growing your net worth anyway.

You got to be naive if you think there was risk involved when signing a no-money low interest rate loan.  So what exactly is at risk?  Nothing.

And thanks to that thinking, we'll have the same thing happen: the rich will get richer.  Sure, the rich are gonna pay a bit, but the net worth is there: which means the rich will be amongst the few to actually have a good credit and get a loan.
Brasso
member
+1,549|6630

Ev'ry morning, ev'ry evening, ain't we got fun?
Not much money, oh but honey, ain't we got fun?
The rent's unpaid dear, we haven't a car;
But anyway, dear, we'll stay as we are.

In the winter, in the summer, don't we have fun?
Times are glum and getting glummer, still we have fun.
There's nothing surer: the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.
In the meantime, in between time, ain't we got fun?
welcome to the real world, dreamers!

Last edited by haffeysucks (2008-09-24 19:21:03)

"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|6768
Not enough regulation of financial institutions
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6651|USA

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:

The consumer

But do not try and tell the liberals that, they have someone to blame for every act and every decision that does not result in total success for them.

Blame the banks, blame the govt., blame Bush, blame the rich, hell now you can even blame history,  take your pick, but do not for one second blame the idiot who put HIMSELF in a debt and can not/will not pay.
These 'bad loans' weren't bad when they got them. The value of the dollar has dropped since we began spending billions on killing terror. Rising costs with dropping dollar value = economic crisis.

The Bush admin is at fault. But at least it was spent right.
I see the loans were great up until the ARM came due, and they never locked into a fixed rate, but yeah lets not blame the ones who contractually SIGNED FOR and PROMISED to pay the loan.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|5994|Truthistan

lowing wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:

The consumer

But do not try and tell the liberals that, they have someone to blame for every act and every decision that does not result in total success for them.

Blame the banks, blame the govt., blame Bush, blame the rich, hell now you can even blame history,  take your pick, but do not for one second blame the idiot who put HIMSELF in a debt and can not/will not pay.
These 'bad loans' weren't bad when they got them. The value of the dollar has dropped since we began spending billions on killing terror. Rising costs with dropping dollar value = economic crisis.

The Bush admin is at fault. But at least it was spent right.
I see the loans were great up until the ARM came due, and they never locked into a fixed rate, but yeah lets not blame the ones who contractually SIGNED FOR and PROMISED to pay the loan.
The last person in the chain that had the ablility to say "no" was.......... the bank/loan officer/ person who originated the loan. they are the ones ultimately to blame.
But its true that people have been living on their credit cards, then mortgaing their house to pay their credit cards and now wall street wants the country to take out a mortgage to pay for all these credit addicted people..... and to do what????? to free up more credit!!!!! at some point you just need to cut off these junkies and if it puts the dealers and peddlers out of business, then so be it. Maybe then we would get some new responsible banks.

My final answer... Flush the junkies and the peddlers. no welfare for addicts.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6601|132 and Bush

Weak oversight and little accountability disguised as "affordable housing for everyone". If you encourage banks to make bad mortgages so that Freddie and Fannie will buy them what in the hell do you think will happen? When the loans were resold the banks operated under the assumption that they were safe because the government was backing them. We had an opportunity to pass strict oversight legislation 5 years ago. That would have prevented Fannie/Freddie from buying bad loans (or at least add another level of scrutiny). The Dems all voted against the increased regulation. I'm not saying that is the whole problem.. but it is a huge piece of it.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6581|the dank(super) side of Oregon
It was all those poor people.  Not speculators, investors and contractors relying on inflated home prices and cheap mortgages to turn a quick, easy profit.  Not the secondary mortgage market, eager to sell junk paper by the truckload.

them poor people, they done it.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6601|132 and Bush

Did you read my last sentence?
Xbone Stormsurgezz

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