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Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. It was done not to anyone who might be offended. Take it as you will.

2. The article never said that the holidays were going to be canceled, that was you trying be more dramatic about what was said, to make it sound more absurd, to bolster your argument.

3. I didn't write the article, obviously there was enough outcry about this bullshit ( and it wasn't from me) that the college felt a need to apologize. So although you will dismiss this, like you do every other act of appeasemnt and PC motivated play as insignifant, I feel that all of these little actions forms a pattern for one big one... You may not feel that way, but it would appear I am not alone in thinking it does.

You're still dodging my question a little lowing...where is the appeasement here? Forgive me, but could you spell it out for me...is it really just the use of the word 'holidays' on an internal staff calendar?

You say that there was "obviously enough outcry about this bullshit that the college felt a need to apologize" but you seem to be having trouble realising that the Daily Mail is a major tabloid newspaper with a proven agenda of making huge stories out of small insignificant events. I can understand your presumption that such a thing might be the case because the Daily Mail has the image and appearance of a credible news source but I can assure you lowing that the Daily Mail has, in the past, built 'national scandals' out of misunderstandings and exaggerated hearsay.

You go on to say "I feel that all of these little actions forms a pattern for one big one", can you not see that this is the exact same logic that a PC fanatic applies? They don't allow the slightest offensive comment or phrase because it would be one step down the slippery slope towards racism, bigotry and intolerance.

The article stated this measurewas taken so no offense would be given to anyone who might be offended......Appeasement

The article was also proven to be true, the fact that it was in the Daily Mail does not take away from that fact. The story was "confirmed".

Yup I can, except for one small point. It is wrong on all accounts too offend the majority and the establishment to save offense of the minorty.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lol why does christianity have the right to decide what everyones holidays will be called. the Uk isnt a christian country even though there are lots of christians there. that doesnt give them any more right to have the holidays named after christian holidays than if they were named after islamic holidays.... therefore there is no problem with"End of term break" or whatever.... christians in  the UK will still call it christmas/easter break so there is no issue here.... its just sensationalist media

I guess you fail to realize that they are not named "after Christian holidays" THEY are Christian holidays. They have evolved out of that roll exclusivley however to become a holiday for everyone. It is as much custom and tradition now, as it is a religious holiday. also from what  igather, yeah, the UK is'was pretty much a Christian country, or am I wrong?

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lol why does christianity have the right to decide what everyones holidays will be called. the Uk isnt a christian country even though there are lots of christians there. that doesnt give them any more right to have the holidays named after christian holidays than if they were named after islamic holidays.... therefore there is no problem with"End of term break" or whatever.... christians in  the UK will still call it christmas/easter break so there is no issue here.... its just sensationalist media

I guess you fail to realize that they are not named "after Christian holidays" THEY are Christian holidays. They have evolved out of that roll exclusivley however to become a holiday for everyone. It is as much custom and tradition now, as it is a religious holiday. also from what  igather, yeah, the UK is'was pretty much a Christian country, or am I wrong?

yes there are alot of christians in the UK but you cant say that they are a "christian" country. because obviously not everyone in the country is.

yes they are christian holidays which convieniently divide up the year. and yet i doubt your everyday, normal, UK christian is going to care that one college changed its callender. it doesnt matter, it is still christmas whether or not it says so on a college calender.

example. i go to a lutheran college. on our calender it says "School holidays" not "christmas holidays" and we have managed just fine.

ya musta missed the part in thatarticle where the college admits it is just following everyone else in removing references to Christmas and Easter. Kinda leads me to believe that it is morethan just this one college.

I really do not care how many non-christians live in the UK or the US, the countries adopted Christian values and morality as the basis for society and law. You can say it is not a Christian country all you want, all you arre doing is getting a little to literal and a lot of leaning toward denial.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

yes there are alot of christians in the UK but you cant say that they are a "christian" country. because obviously not everyone in the country is.

yes they are christian holidays which convieniently divide up the year. and yet i doubt your everyday, normal, UK christian is going to care that one college changed its callender. it doesnt matter, it is still christmas whether or not it says so on a college calender.

example. i go to a lutheran college. on our calender it says "School holidays" not "christmas holidays" and we have managed just fine.

ya musta missed the part in thatarticle where the college admits it is just following everyone else in removing references to Christmas and Easter. Kinda leads me to believe that it is morethan just this one college.

I really do not care how many non-christians live in the UK or the US, the countries adopted Christian values and morality as the basis for society and law. You can say it is not a Christian country all you want, all you arre doing is getting a little to literal and a lot of leaning toward denial.

Ok would u classify Australia as a christian country? from the sounds of it u would and yet only 17% of Australians attend church.

Christmas and Easter have lost their meaning.

I would classify it as a country whose morality and values are Christian based.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Ok would u classify Australia as a christian country? from the sounds of it u would and yet only 17% of Australians attend church.

Christmas and Easter have lost their meaning.

I would classify it as a country whose morality and values are Christian based.

Any specifics? because US,UK,Aus definitely dont follow christian law.

Our societies are based on Christian values and beliefs, or just how long do you think Christmas and Easter have been around in our countries?

How many Christian churches as compared to Mosques are historically dotted throughout our countries?

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

I would classify it as a country whose morality and values are Christian based.

Any specifics? because US,UK,Aus definitely dont follow christian law.

Our societies are based on Christian values and beliefs, or just how long do you think Christmas and Easter have been around in our countries?

How many Christian churches as compared to Mosques are historically dotted throughout our countries?

Its true that Christianity is the most prominent religion in our countries. but that does not make them christian countries.

really i dont care i think people are making a big deal out of nothing. if the UK govt. said "you can no longer celebrate christmas, have christmas decorations or openly state your a christian" ... things would be bad. but at the moment its all being blown up like its something new.

Do you think that by intergrating american society instead of segregation black people was appeasement? no. the world changes and people are realising they have to be more accepting of other cultures. and if that means that a college calender doesnt have christmas holidays written on it i dont think it will be the end of the world

War Man wrote:

I will take lowing's side on this.

and that is?

can u explain his side to me

War Man wrote:

I will take lowing's side on this.

And?

Daily Mail wrote:

College bans 'Christmas' and 'Easter' from calendar for fear of offending ethnic students

Not true, blatant sensationalism. In one of your posts earlier you claimed that "neither I nor the Daily mail made claims that they were going to cancel Christmas"...this headline attempts to suggest such a thing with its deliberate use of over the top language.

Daily Mail wrote:

Yorkshire Coast College has re-branded Christmas and Easter as 'end of term breaks'.

This is the crux of the story, this is your outrageous act of appeasement. Well excuse me lowing for not caring enough about this 'outrage'. That's what these holidays actually are - end of term breaks; this alternative naming system is actually more descriptive. I'd be happier with this naming system to be honest, why should my end of term breaks be named after a religion I don't follow?

Daily Mail wrote:

A college has renamed the traditional Christmas and Easter breaks in a bid to avoid offending students from other religions.

Not true, it was an internal staff calendar circulated only to 150 teaching staff and up to 50 other workers, the students would be none the wiser what they were calling the holidays...and besides, the college were going to have a Christmas tree and special Christmas dinner on the college campus in any case so any how would any 'offence' have been spared?

Daily Mail wrote:

The college's new calendar shows that both of the traditional holiday periods have now been re-branded as 'end of term breaks'.

Hold the front page! Heaven forbid anyone would choose to name an end of term break in such a way, it is an outrage that they don't stick to Judeo-Christian festival names, damn them!

Daily Mail wrote:

Critics have complained that the decision by Yorkshire Coast College is nothing more than 'political correctness'. Tory MP Robert Goodwill said: 'I have heard that some people refer to the Christmas period as the Winterval, which is worse. This is absolutely barmy.

I've never even heard the word 'Winterval'. As I've said before political correctness is gay but it's not a Governmental decision we're talking about here, it was an internal staff decision and they can name their calendar however they want. What would you think lowing if they introduced a break during Ramadan and named the holiday 'Ramadan break'?

Daily Mail wrote:

'We are a Christian country and, to be honest, religious tolerance in this country is about respecting other people's religious beliefs'. 'We live in a country where there is a mutual respect for religious beliefs. 'School terms are traditionally separated by Christmas and Easter and they should be referred to as such'. 'They are petrified that they offend the minority but what they are doing is offending the majority.

Why should they be referred to as such, who says so? In terms of the college year they are end of term breaks first and foremost and religious holidays second, that is a fact.

Daily Mail wrote:

'It's political correctness gone mad and I am disappointed that it's from an edict from Ofsted.'

Ofsted have denied that it is part of their directives so who is lying here?

Daily Mail wrote:

The college, based in Scarborough, North Yorkshire offers a range of courses concentrating on training for 'life skills' such as Engineering, Motor Vehicle  Training and IT. The college insists that the decision is in line with Ofsted guidelines and has been made to 'increase inclusion and  diversity'.

Ofsted have denied that it is part of their directives so who is lying here?

Daily Mail wrote:

It circulates the internal year planner annually to 150 teaching staff and up to 50 other workers to inform them of important dates such as term times and  training days.

So it wasn't done to spare the offence of Muslim student the way the opening paragraph of the article was attempting to claim? Nice work Daily Mail, contradicting yourself in the same article.

Daily Mail wrote:

A spokeswoman for the college said: 'Every school and college, wherever located, is responsible for educating its learners who will live and work in a country which is diverse in terms of cultures, religions or beliefs, ethnicities and social backgrounds. All employees at Yorkshire Coast College are encouraged to closely follow guidelines set out by Ofsted for the promotion of equality and diversity.

Ofsted have denied that it is part of their directives to observe any religious festivals in any special way so perhaps certain people need to read the Ofsted guidelines a little more closely.

Daily Mail wrote:

'We constantly review the ways in which we communicate, to ensure that we do not discriminate, and part of those reviews means that we have stopped referring to the Christmas Break and Easter Break and we now have End of Term Break...

...on internal staff calendars. Oh and by the way we're still celebrating Christmas on the college grounds."

Daily Mail wrote:

However, Ofsted today denied this. A spokesperson said: 'Ofsted inspection guidance for colleges makes no reference whatsoever to the observance of religious festivals; there is no 'edict' from Ofsted'.

This pretty mush throws out your claim that this decision is an indication of a wider problem of a policy of appeasement lowing.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-09-19 02:07:25)

Braddock pretty much nailed the coffin shut on this thread.

The Sandinistas were democratically elected and re-elected/kept in power by their people.

Of course they were ruining shit! Another country doing democracy the intended way? A grassroots democracy more akin to Athens than America?

FIRE ZE MISSILES.

I guess I wonder why they would bother about worrying about offending anyone...according to the UK people on this forum, the muslim population is so insignificant it shouldn't be mentioned at all.

lowing wrote:

PS, niether I nor the Daily mail made claims that they were going to cancel Christmas.

The Daily Mail claimed they had removed it from their calendar. They have not.

I refer you to my earlier post on this:

Daily Mail wrote:

College bans 'Christmas' and 'Easter' from calendar for fear of offending ethnic students

Principal of Yorkshire Coast College wrote:

it [Yorkshire Coast College] has not removed Easter and Christmas from its annual calendar of events.

Looks very much like the Daily Mail got it wrong and have blown a small misunderstanding out of all proportion.

The only change made is to internal staff memos.

THERE IS NOTHING TO DO WITH REMOVING CHRISTMAS FROM ANY CALENDARS WHATSOEVER - IT IS COMPLETE FANTASY MADE UP BY THE DAILY MAIL TO PROVOKE ENTIRELY THIS KIND OF RESPONSE.