kr@cker wrote:Reagan was an established political figure long before that slogan came out was my point, and "win one for the gipper" is not the same as that crap that Clooney and Alec Baldwin spew.....
Like I care what they say, but is it not the same because it doesn't just reference some role they played in a movie? Seriously, find me a quote of one of those guys doing that and you'll be on your way to clawing back some credibility on this.
kr@cker wrote:and I was hoping you would go for the "you started it" argument, in that Ronnie was a democrat when he played in "all american" and got his start in politics
in a press conference at the beginning of his first term, concerning the recovery from "Carternomics"
"are you saying you're in now way responsible for the current state of the nation"-Sam Donaldson (i may be paraphrasing, but it's close)
"no, for many years I too was a Democrat"- Reagan
If he "was an established political figure long before that slogan ["win one for the Gipper"
] came out", I think that actually proves my point. When did he go Republican exactly? And when did he start using that slogan? What was your point again?
kr@cker wrote:Arnold is most famous for his movie roles, that's unavoidable, but in the business/financial world he is best know for starting his own business as a bricklayer without a penny to his name when he came to the US and becoming so successful at it he could afford to live in the Beverly Hills neighborhoods he was hired to work in before his body-building and movie careers took off, history shows that the best governors are businessmen, while lawyers make better state reps....
That's all very interesting. You should add it to his already ridiculously long and detailed wikipedia bio. You could quote the Wall Street Journal or something. No?
kr@cker wrote:the voting public has a short memory, and unfortunately are prone to be easily swayed by popular media and entertainment figures that tell them "you think this because I do and I was in a movie once"
That's the comment of yours we're still
discussing. Not because I disagree but because you decided in retrospect it doesn't apply to Ronald Reagan or the Governator, apparently because they're Republicans. Or, in Reagan's case, was a Republican when he started using slogans from his movies in campaigns.
I know it's a cherished mantra -- "celebrity activists" -- but is it not obvious that the Republicans' use of it is entirely dependent on the "short memory" of the "voting public", to coin your phrase?