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2008-09-02 20:41:42
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA
2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

ISSUE
John McCain
Barak Obama

Favors new drilling offshore US
Yes John McCain
No Barak Obama

Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
Yes John McCain
No Barak Obama

Served in the US Armed Forces
Yes John McCain
No Barak Obama

Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 Years John McCain
173 Days Barak Obama

Will institute a socialized national health care plan
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Supports gun ownership rights
Yes John McCain 
No Barak Obama

Supports homosexual marriage
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Voted against making English the official language
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax
Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already). New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least: new taxes to pay for socialized medicine, so we can receive the same level of medical care as third-world countries!!!


 
 
 


You can verify the above at the following web sites:

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/elec … index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/200 8/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/poli … taxes.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-che … ack_obama/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-che … hn_mccain/
2008-09-02 20:47:24
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|5963|London, England

I thought Obama favored offshore drilling? Hmm'

Oh and this isn't biased at all

Last edited by Mutantsteak (2008-09-02 20:48:37)

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2008-09-02 20:50:50
CC-Marley
Member
+407|6827
Nice post.
2008-09-02 20:51:38
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6182|Ireland
Bush ran on federal school vouchers and reforming the public school system then let Ted Kennedy write the every child left behind bill.

Don't need to say what happen to securing our borders and fighting illegal immigration.

I noticed you left out that comparison?
2008-09-02 20:52:00
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6599|132 and Bush

Mutantsteak wrote:

I thought Obama favored offshore drilling? Hmm'

Oh and this isn't biased at all
Obama said that he would be willing to compromise on his position against offshore oil drilling if it were part of a more overarching strategy to lower energy costs.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/02/campaign.wrap/

Meaning that he doesn't want to stop there.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-09-02 20:55:07
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6645
What does it matter if the president served in the armed forces or not?
2008-09-02 20:56:06
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6599|132 and Bush

Gun rights.

Obama wrote:

"I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation" like background checks, he said during a news conference.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-09-02 20:59:32
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6342|tropical regions of london
Military donations favor Obama over McCain
2008-09-02 20:59:51
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6773|Noizyland

Interesting, although not without a lot of spin. For once it'd be nice to see a completely non-biased comparison. For one I don't think most complex political issues can be summed up in simple "Yes/No" answers.

Also - have you ever known a politician to stand by their pre-election promises? McCain looks like he's not going to raise taxes but do you honestly think he's going to be able to come through on that? America has a lot of bills to pay and I think it's unlikely that McCain will be able to simply pull the money out of his ass.

Finally - McCain is old. Considerably old. One skipped heartbeat and America has a former beauty queen from Alaska with a family that could rival any daytime sitcom's in terms of dysfunctionality as it's Head of State. You can thank John Tyler for that one. You may think it's unlikely with modern healthcare and all that but in my opinion America is due for a president dying in office. The last time there was a gap this long was between George Washington and William Henry Harrison. I'd say you're definitely due.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
2008-09-02 20:59:58
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|5963|London, England

God Save the Queen wrote:

Military donations favor Obama over McCain
No shit, their asses wanna come home
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2008-09-02 21:00:25
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6599|132 and Bush

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Obama wrote:

we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-09-02 21:02:33
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6599|132 and Bush

Ty wrote:

Interesting, although not without a lot of spin. For once it'd be nice to see a completely non-biased comparison. For one I don't think most complex political issues can be summed up in simple "Yes/No" answers.
Do yourself a BIG favor.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/issues/
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-09-02 21:40:26
War Man
Australians are hermaphrodites.
+563|6712|Purplicious Wisconsin

pierro wrote:

Where'd you get your tax data? Here's the real comparison: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00950.html

Executive summary: those making under one hundred thousand benefit under Obama also his tax proposal will be 7x more cost effective for all those afraid of the national debt
I don't like the fairness tax policy, it slows down economic growth
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
2008-09-02 21:54:54
War Man
Australians are hermaphrodites.
+563|6712|Purplicious Wisconsin

pierro wrote:

War Man wrote:

I don't like the fairness tax policy, it slows down economic growth
The justification for "fair" tax policies slowing economic growth tends to be that it decreases incentives for getting richer. It is a point of debate to what extent a progressive tax system impacts this.

My advice would be to look at the period of America's greatest economic growth (the 50s) there you will see that the tax system was enormously progressive (under socialists like Eisenhower the highest marginal tax rate was over 90%) so you tell me, does it slow economic growth?
Those were different time periods with different challenges. We are talking of the present, sure the past helps greatly but in this case it is a different story.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
2008-09-02 22:10:14
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|6766
good, raise taxes. how else is the US supposed to get out of the shizzle its in?
2008-09-02 22:19:22
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6713|US

Kmarion wrote:

Gun rights.

Obama wrote:

"I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation" like background checks, he said during a news conference.
Read what else he has proposed/supported.

National ban on concealed carry
Ban on handguns
Ban on semi-autos
(put the last two together and you get a ban on the vast majority of firearms in total)
Supported suing firearms manufacturers when criminals misuse their products
"more restrictions on possession"
He also supported DC's unconstitutional handgun ban and disassembly/lock requirements...apparently this "constitutional scholar" doesn't believe the bill of rights should apply equally to every local.
His party states what works in Chicago might not work in Omaha (as if Chicago is a crime free paradise!)
He supports an new AWB (remember, the law where the people introducing it didn't know what it meant?)
He supported a "1 a month" restriction
He wants to keep guns out of cities (again, your constitutional rights are different if you live in a urban setting)
He supported banning gun shops within 5 miles of schools (i.e. about 90% of gun stores)

...do I need to keep going in order to convince you that Obama is NOT a friend of the 2nd Amendment or gun owners (about 80million Americans)?

http://ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm#Gun_Control
see also democratic party's national platform.

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2008-09-02 22:21:28)

2008-09-02 22:28:19
War Man
Australians are hermaphrodites.
+563|6712|Purplicious Wisconsin

pierro wrote:

warman wrote:

Those were different time periods with different challenges. We are talking of the present, sure the past helps greatly but in this case it is a different story.
Fundamental economics works at whatever time period and the 50s demonstrated that a progressive taxation scheme would not negatively impact productivity...nevertheless this is supposed to be a fair and balanced comparison of the plans...I'm awaiting Lowing to update the op with the new data
Yeah, but the economy in the 50s isn't as bad as it is now.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
2008-09-02 23:19:01
TrueMusou
Member
+36|6159|United States Of Hamerica

RAIMIUS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Gun rights.

Obama wrote:

"I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation" like background checks, he said during a news conference.
Read what else he has proposed/supported.

National ban on concealed carry
Ban on handguns
Ban on semi-autos
(put the last two together and you get a ban on the vast majority of firearms in total)
Supported suing firearms manufacturers when criminals misuse their products
"more restrictions on possession"
He also supported DC's unconstitutional handgun ban and disassembly/lock requirements...apparently this "constitutional scholar" doesn't believe the bill of rights should apply equally to every local.
His party states what works in Chicago might not work in Omaha (as if Chicago is a crime free paradise!)
He supports an new AWB (remember, the law where the people introducing it didn't know what it meant?)
He supported a "1 a month" restriction
He wants to keep guns out of cities (again, your constitutional rights are different if you live in a urban setting)
He supported banning gun shops within 5 miles of schools (i.e. about 90% of gun stores)

...do I need to keep going in order to convince you that Obama is NOT a friend of the 2nd Amendment or gun owners (about 80million Americans)?

http://ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm#Gun_Control
see also democratic party's national platform.
I mean, as a red blooded, beef loving American, I like guns and war movies just as much as the next guy.

But seriously, as regular civilians, we do not need an extensive arsenal sitting under our pillows. The 2nd Amendment was written at a time where local militias were necessary, nowadays the ownership of guns has created more problems than it has solved.

I think it's fair. The argument for most people is that we have guns for self-defense/home-defense. According to what you listed above, it does not exclude shot-guns. For the purpose of self/home-defense shotguns are the most effective anyways. If you're a hunter, you're in the free according the the proposed, just as long as you're not hunting with automatic machine guns.
2008-09-02 23:29:18
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6393|The Gem Saloon

TrueMusou wrote:

But seriously, as regular civilians, we do not need an extensive arsenal sitting under our pillows. The 2nd Amendment was written at a time where local militias were necessary, nowadays the ownership of guns has created more problems than it has solved.
who said anything about extensive arsenals?
he wants to ban semi automatic firearms...

TrueMusou wrote:

I think it's fair. The argument for most people is that we have guns for self-defense/home-defense. According to what you listed above, it does not exclude shot-guns. For the purpose of self/home-defense shotguns are the most effective anyways.
you are correct.
a shotgun is the most effective weapon to defend your house with...
though, that kind of leaves you shit out of luck if you run into a hairy situation outside of your home.

TrueMusou wrote:

If you're a hunter, you're in the free according the the proposed, just as long as you're not hunting with automatic machine guns.
and what would those be?
should i not be allowed to hunt with an M1A?
should it only be a bolt action?
or hell, why doesnt everyone that hunts just use black powder rifles?


is my .22 semi auto rifle more dangerous than a bolt action?
is my M44 less dangerous than an M1A, cause it is older?




what asshole is going to draw the line and tell me what i can and cant own?
all i can say, i saw this coming a long time ago, and have been buying new shit like its going out of style....not much the whiny fucks can do when i already own the shit
2008-09-03 00:22:59
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6599|132 and Bush

RAIMIUS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Gun rights.

Obama wrote:

"I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation" like background checks, he said during a news conference.
Read what else he has proposed/supported.

National ban on concealed carry
Ban on handguns
Ban on semi-autos
(put the last two together and you get a ban on the vast majority of firearms in total)
Supported suing firearms manufacturers when criminals misuse their products
"more restrictions on possession"
He also supported DC's unconstitutional handgun ban and disassembly/lock requirements...apparently this "constitutional scholar" doesn't believe the bill of rights should apply equally to every local.
His party states what works in Chicago might not work in Omaha (as if Chicago is a crime free paradise!)
He supports an new AWB (remember, the law where the people introducing it didn't know what it meant?)
He supported a "1 a month" restriction
He wants to keep guns out of cities (again, your constitutional rights are different if you live in a urban setting)
He supported banning gun shops within 5 miles of schools (i.e. about 90% of gun stores)

...do I need to keep going in order to convince you that Obama is NOT a friend of the 2nd Amendment or gun owners (about 80million Americans)?

http://ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm#Gun_Control
see also democratic party's national platform.
What the op said was that he did not support gun rights. Pushing to reform the laws is not like just saying I don't support your right to own a gun.

Or in his own words:
"We got a lot hunters in the state of Illinois and I have no intention of taking away folks' guns."


...do I need to keep going in order to convince you that Obama is NOT a friend of the 2nd Amendment or gun owners (about 80million Americans)?
Is that what I or the op said?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-09-03 00:27:28
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6579|the dank(super) side of Oregon
The democrats won't do much with guns.  They passed the '94 AWB and promptly lost control of the congress for 12 years.  We might see another AWB of some sort, but I'd be surprised, it's political trouble.  Stock up on hi-cap mags and conspicuously gripped rifles.  bayonet lugs and flash hiders for everyone.

Doesn't matter, if they ever come for my guns, especially my assault rifles, I already sold them all to some guy from somewhere.
2008-09-03 00:38:14
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6673|Canberra, AUS
In the end the parties try not to differ too much from one another.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-09-03 01:03:09
PureFodder
Member
+225|6284
I heard that someone actually lookied into the idea that loads of people loose their farms and businesses due to inheretance taxes and couldn't actually find a single case of that happening in the US. There's certainly no way that it's a significant issue. It's just a bunch of hysteria used to try and get poor people to support a tax that only affects the rich slightly.

The taxes are misleading for two reasons. The McCain ones will further US debt and the Obama ones include the cost of your healthcare which will actually save everyone a shitload of money if it gets socialized.

People seem to be under the impression that McCain will help the US economy by continuing the Bush policies that have been crap for the economy.

As far as using taxes on dividens to scare people, it is pretty irrelevant for the vast majority of the populace as they have little if any money in stocks. The richest 10 % own almost all of the stock.
2008-09-03 02:25:32
Mint Sauce
Frighteningly average
+780|6285|eng
This isn't biased AT ALL
#rekt
2008-09-03 03:13:17
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6518|Πάϊ

lowing wrote:

Favors new drilling offshore US (won't help lower prices, just destroy the environment a bit more)
Yes John McCain
No Barak Obama

Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it  (this can never be ensured by any of the two)
Yes John McCain
No Barak Obama

Served in the US Armed Forces (who cares?)
Yes John McCain
No Barak Obama

Amount of time served in the US Senate (McCain is old then?)
22 Years John McCain
173 Days Barak Obama

Will institute a socialized national health care plan (that's a good thing)
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately (immediately? none of them will, don't worry)
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Supports gun ownership rights (he's not gonna take them away from you now is he?)
Yes John McCain 
No Barak Obama

Supports homosexual marriage (who gives a fuck)
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase (is it necessary?)
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama

Voted against making English the official language (lol amigo)
No John McCain
Yes Barak Obama
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