BF2S Forums Great news!, Obama is trying to learn to think for himself.

i thought you were one for self-improvement and such?

FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hmmmmmmmm, not many Obamamaniacs seem to be able to come running to his defense in this thread

Ability to speak fluently without a script isn't an overly important factor in a leader. Where the candidate stands in issues is.

Maybe people actually care more about the issues than the presentation?

Yet so many seem to point to it as an example of why Bush is so bad. It's not like they don't have plenty of other reasons to go with...

umm, I haven't heard one person talk about how bad Bush's speaking is in years.  He's done enough worse things that judging his (absolutely terrible) intellect and speech is very low down on the list of why he should never be put in a position of power.

Last edited by oChaos.Haze (2008-08-23 11:08:49)

lowing wrote:

Ok well it is iut.

Obamamanicas will tolerate anything from their messiah to get him in office. All of a sudden nothing is an issue with them when it comes to dealing with him.

If the issue is actually true, then I would find it to be one.  I have a problem with voting for someone who can't speak without a teleprompter, but I also have a problem with such a biased source.

If you can find something on this that's not so questionable in its source, then you'll have my concern.

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ok well it is iut.

Obamamanicas will tolerate anything from their messiah to get him in office. All of a sudden nothing is an issue with them when it comes to dealing with him.

If the issue is actually true, then I would find it to be one.  I have a problem with voting for someone who can't speak without a teleprompter, but I also have a problem with such a biased source.

If you can find something on this that's not so questionable in its source, then you'll have my concern.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … mp;spell=1

oChaos.Haze wrote:

FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Ability to speak fluently without a script isn't an overly important factor in a leader. Where the candidate stands in issues is.

Maybe people actually care more about the issues than the presentation?

Yet so many seem to point to it as an example of why Bush is so bad. It's not like they don't have plenty of other reasons to go with...

umm, I haven't heard one person talk about how bad Bush's speaking is in years.  He's done enough worse things that judging his (absolutely terrible) intellect and speech is very low down on the list of why he should never be put in a position of power.

Just how do you judge his intellect? Have you ever interacted with the man personally? That's exactly what I'm talking about...you hear his poor public speaking and assume that he's stupid.

Then, conversely, people hear Obama's wonderful public speaking and assume he's a good decision-maker.

The two attributes are completely unrelated.

I saw Obama at a town hall thing last month, where we asked him questions and stuff.

He wasnt as good as he is with the teleprompter but he's definitely not that bad without it, still much better than McCain.

Turquoise wrote:

Speaking of which, I haven't actually watched much of McCain's speeches.  I think I might see what I can find on youtube.  Any particular gaffes of note?

I've seen a couple of gaff clips. One where he blatantly backtracked on his attitude towards gay marriage and one where he was asked a technical question (I think about oil and the economy, can't remember) and basically answered by saying he didn't know but had people around him that deal with that kind of thing.

He doesn't seem as bad as Bush but still seems like a bit of a plonker. I've yet to see any real gaff clips of the Ayotollah Obama Bin Laden Hussein, which is surprising given all we're hearing about him from the right. Any YouTube clips out there?

Last edited by Braddock (2008-08-24 13:51:59)

Spearhead wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Speaking of which, I haven't actually watched much of McCain's speeches.  I think I might see what I can find on youtube.  Any particular gaffes of note?

Oh...  how could I have forgotten that one?...  lol...

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I must admit, I am very conservative and would vote for O'bama before I'd vote for McCain.  McCain is a disgrace to his country for his pandering to illegal immigration and supporting the breaking of US laws and the destruction of the border in his home state.

As a former US serviceman I am ashamed of him and his lack of concern for my country.

Obama's views regarding border security are every bit as bad as McCaine's.  The difference will be that McCaine will have more people in his own party pressuring him to do something about it than Obama will.