Have you been to China?Turquoise wrote:
We shouldn't dignify them with our company. Granted, we shouldn't trade so damn much with them either.
Nope, but.... I know a lot about what they've been doing to the Uyghurs.LividBovine wrote:
Have you been to China?Turquoise wrote:
We shouldn't dignify them with our company. Granted, we shouldn't trade so damn much with them either.
I'm calling the Uyghurs and Tibetans oppressed as a result of their second class citizen status. I'm calling the average Chinese person oppressed because they are being watched by a police state. They are rising in standard of living, but they have few personal rights.LividBovine wrote:
How can you call the people oppressed? Let me be more accurate, how can you call 1.3 billion people oppressed?
I am not saying that the GOVERNMENT is not failing at handling many situations, but I would not call the general public of China oppressed.
I don't give a whole lot of credence to people who have visited countries for a couple days or weeks and say they understand the culture/politics/economy, but it does give a little insight to how they live their daily lives and what that standard of living actualy is at the time. I would not classify the people of China as oppressed, maybe my definition is a little more confined than yours.Turquoise wrote:
I'm calling the Uyghurs and Tibetans oppressed as a result of their second class citizen status. I'm calling the average Chinese person oppressed because they are being watched by a police state. They are rising in standard of living, but they have few personal rights.LividBovine wrote:
How can you call the people oppressed? Let me be more accurate, how can you call 1.3 billion people oppressed?
I am not saying that the GOVERNMENT is not failing at handling many situations, but I would not call the general public of China oppressed.
I was gonna say, I could do a lot more pull ups when I was 12 then when I was 18.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
A lot of people in here seem to be ignorant of what is going on with the gymnast situation. First, this isn't and never was about America losing to a bunch of kids and now they are poor sports and all the sudden bring this up. I have been watching the olympics since it started and since I work at home, I have had the games on all the time. The complaints started as soon as the practices started for the gymnasts, questions were asked and the IOC was said to have looked into it. The questions were NOT coming from only the American team.
Also, do you know how their ages were checked? Only by their passports and anyone with half a brain knows who issues the passports and how a passport proves literally nothing as far as an age...especially since the Chinese government issues them for these kids.
Bella Karoli actually had brought this issue up well before the gymnast even started these events and if anyone would know what an underaged gymnast looks like, he would. He actually has stated that when he coached for the Russian teams, that they would do the same thing because younger gymnasts have a very significant advantage...this is why a gymnast's career is very, very short. Actually, he believes that the age rule should change, so that this cheating doesn't go on. He believes that you either enforce the rules or change them so that this stuff doesn't happen.
Bella also stated that there are quite a few countries that have excellent gymnasts who, because they are under 16, weren't allowed to compete in these olympics, there are even some American gymnasts under 16 who are just as good or possibly better than some of the girls allowed to compete for the olympics. The issue isnt sour grapes...the issue is follow the rules, enforce the rules and if you aren't willing to enforce them, then allow everyone to compete no matter what the age is. Sorry, but you cant bend the rules if other countries are following them. It shouldnt be allowed.
Well, I'm sure you would've experienced something different if they had assembled in front of a government building and spoke out against their government.LividBovine wrote:
I don't give a whole lot of credence to people who have visited countries for a couple days or weeks and say they understand the culture/politics/economy, but it does give a little insight to how they live their daily lives and what that standard of living actualy is at the time. I would not classify the people of China as oppressed, maybe my definition is a little more confined than yours.Turquoise wrote:
I'm calling the Uyghurs and Tibetans oppressed as a result of their second class citizen status. I'm calling the average Chinese person oppressed because they are being watched by a police state. They are rising in standard of living, but they have few personal rights.LividBovine wrote:
How can you call the people oppressed? Let me be more accurate, how can you call 1.3 billion people oppressed?
I am not saying that the GOVERNMENT is not failing at handling many situations, but I would not call the general public of China oppressed.
The conversations I had with chinese citizens while there were very enlightening. They were very free in speaking to me about how they felt about their government. I never got the sense that they felt watched and were not able to speak freely.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Just nine months before the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese government’s news agency, Xinhua, reported that gymnast He Kexin was 13, which would have made her ineligible to be on the team that won a gold medal this week…
The Associated Press found the Xinhua report on the site Thursday morning and saved a copy of the page. Later that afternoon, the Web site was still working but the page was no longer accessible. Sports editors at the state-run news agency would not comment for publication…
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No, its because they're retarded commies who believe that their bullshit backwards political decrees will stop it from raining, they should have prayed to zeus... or alternatively to NOAA. But hey, I guess you have to give them some credit, they've been taking our meteorological data as their own for years without us managing to care one way or another. I guess they'd win the gold medal in "lazy science" and "bending another nation over without them caring". So while we struggle to get the next generation of NOAA satellites in space (you know, pushing the boundaries of science through research and toil and economic expenditure, as opposed to stealing the knowledge from someone else), they sit back and make bold claims about how they can do this or that with the weather like it was groundbreaking research by chinese meteorologists that made it possible. I find that offensive.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
It's because they're godless commies who believe that science will stop it from raining, they should have prayed to jesusiamangry wrote:
lolKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah, they promised no rain and it rained! What liars!
4 billion CUMULATIVE.Turquoise wrote:
1 billion live under a police state and are "encouraged" to enjoy it. Another billion live in great poverty and probably are lucky to even have a TV.Kmarion wrote:
Some of us enjoy still enjoy it. Actually I think 4 billion of us still enjoy it.Turquoise wrote:
...or we can go ahead and admit that the Olympics lost their relevance back in 1936 when we let Hitler host the games.
I just think we should only let more ethical countries host the games. Hosting this in Beijing is a slap in the face of human rights.
The gripe is that, why is it one rule for China and another for the rest.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Sore loser. A bunch of kids beat your experienced gymnastic team and you blame age.Commie Killer wrote:
If China made sense, this would be able to be proved, and if the world made sense, this wouldnt be a problem. Nothing we can do about it except feel sorry for a team that (sorta) got cheated out of their medals and then move on.usmarine wrote:
well, all these theories are great and all, but the fact is right now it is against the rules. simple as that.
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These 12 year olds still beat the seasoned veterns of the US and other countries despite being so young ill bet if the China had won silver or something people wouldn't be so crazy of the ages of these girls. They are jus pissed cause they got their asses handed to em by kids younger than themLotta_Drool wrote:
It is very sad when a NATION's GOVERNMENT decides to CHEAT at a GAME and can't even do it without it being OBVIOUS.
I hope Darwin continues to be kind to them.
Are you an idiot??? People really have this story all wrong and twisted into something again somehow blaming America and in this case the American gymnasts. The complaints did not start or happen AFTER the medals were awarded.....they happened even before the competition started and not only from the Americans. Many teams were questioning the ages of the Chinese when practicing started and the IOC did their own check before the gymnasts took the floor. The problem is that the IOC checks ONLY the passports for ages and obviously that is not good enough.Spazz wrote:
These 12 year olds still beat the seasoned veterns of the US and other countries despite being so young ill bet if the China had won silver or something people wouldn't be so crazy of the ages of these girls. They are jus pissed cause they got their asses handed to em by kids younger than themLotta_Drool wrote:
It is very sad when a NATION's GOVERNMENT decides to CHEAT at a GAME and can't even do it without it being OBVIOUS.
I hope Darwin continues to be kind to them.
Yup.Spazz wrote:
These 12 year olds still beat the seasoned veterns of the US and other countries despite being so young ill bet if the China had won silver or something people wouldn't be so crazy of the ages of these girls. They are jus pissed cause they got their asses handed to em by kids younger than themLotta_Drool wrote:
It is very sad when a NATION's GOVERNMENT decides to CHEAT at a GAME and can't even do it without it being OBVIOUS.
I hope Darwin continues to be kind to them.
Nope,jord wrote:
Yup.Spazz wrote:
These 12 year olds still beat the seasoned veterns of the US and other countries despite being so young ill bet if the China had won silver or something people wouldn't be so crazy of the ages of these girls. They are jus pissed cause they got their asses handed to em by kids younger than themLotta_Drool wrote:
It is very sad when a NATION's GOVERNMENT decides to CHEAT at a GAME and can't even do it without it being OBVIOUS.
I hope Darwin continues to be kind to them.
QFTFurthermore, the complaints are not even about who won what or the scores. The complaints are that other countries are following the rules by keeping talented, sometimes better gymnasts at home because the rules clearly state that they must be 16 years old in the year of the Olympics. Quite a few countries kept very talented younger gymnasts at home because of this rule. So many are saying either enforce the current rule or open it up so everyone is on an even playing field. In fact, people are praising the Chinese gymnasts and don't want to take anything from them....the complaints are strictly to get everyone on the same page and to not pick and choose when to enforce rules. Either enforce them or change them....simple as that.
How indeed would an eventual gold-medal gymnastics team overseen by the same government that faked multiple aspects of the opening ceremony to make sure everything went according to script gain such an unfair competitive advantage?
So rotten does this smell, so widely has it been covered (NYT, LAT, NPR, Screencaps, Associated Press, more, and so suspect is the ChiComs’ ruthlessness that there’s probably no “next step” needed at this point to convince most of the audience that it’s a sham. So much for the regime’s dream of the Olympics burnishing its image. The one move left is for the IOC to investigate, but if they aren’t willing to punish the Iranians for refusing to swim with Israelis, what are the odds that they’re going to confront the host nation with a humiliating scandal? I hope they don’t intervene, frankly. Let them share the grandiose, discrediting embarrassment.
I've watched almost every second of the games, just like you. I never heard anyone say ANYTHING until the women's team competition. Then Bela Karolyi started to quietly complain during the analyst segments. And China had just so happened to start looking like they were going to win.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Nope,jord wrote:
Yup.Spazz wrote:
These 12 year olds still beat the seasoned veterns of the US and other countries despite being so young ill bet if the China had won silver or something people wouldn't be so crazy of the ages of these girls. They are jus pissed cause they got their asses handed to em by kids younger than them
read my post above.....complaints started well before the competition began.
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