my response to him was a summation of about 2 paragraphs or so. cliffs notes. you're welcome.Blehm98 wrote:
he uses a tactic known as 'grunting,' and if you are unable to cope with it then you lose and he wins
deal with it, he doesn't feel like typing up a response to your horrendously long post, but he wishes to exhibit his disapproval of it
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listen asshole, look back in this thread and you were tossing out various insults. so your insults are not insults because they are buried in walls of text? bullshit. get off your soap box and stfu. dont like my stuff, dont fucking read it.Uzique wrote:
Do you ever actually have anything intelligent to say?usmarine wrote:
retard
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uzique thinks that posting walls of text make him seem smarterusmarine wrote:
listen asshole, look back in this thread and you were tossing out various insults. so your insults are not insults because they are buried in walls of text? bullshit. get off your soap box and stfu. dont like my stuff, dont fucking read it.Uzique wrote:
Do you ever actually have anything intelligent to say?usmarine wrote:
retard
also, i am not going to truly respond to someone who in damn near every thread a typical response is ALWAYS negative about the US. thats a one sided agenda in which you have clearly shown your own stance on issues and that your mind will not change. i am not going to bang out tons of lines trying to convince you of anything since it wont matter. piss off
thats a common theme around here.Poseidon wrote:
uzique thinks that posting walls of text make him seem smarter
That wall of text would stop a tank.
True haha.Metal-Eater-GR wrote:
That wall of text would stop a tank.
Will you please keep your quotes short and simple, also the reason why we can't feed ourselves at the moment is because we are growing more corn(for ethanol) than other foods which is raising food prices in USA, stupid democrats and republicans. Also we can self sustain ourselves, we just need to deal with problems such as Illegal immigrants taking our jobs. Also, Japan used to pay its workers low wages back in the 50s and 60s just like China is now until they decided to pay its workers higher wages so you can bet your ass that China will eventually go to that pathway. And as for the military spending, China doesn't have enemies like USA does, so they don't need a military as much as we do. I could explain to you how we got out of our depression and also why we got into a depression in the first place if you'd like.Uzique wrote:
No, you seriously couldn't. The way you guys got out of the Depression was by government intervention in the free-trade economy, and massive public spending to stimulate growth in the economy. The way the US economy works now in the macroeconomic way is by a way called Keynesian economics. Look it up. You could not have a total reform of your industrial/manufacturing system and become self-sustaining- not without another return to 1930's-era Depression and unemployment anyway. And what's to say that your comfortable middle-class would want to be thrown back into something loosely resembling an agrarian revolution? Would all of these people working white-collar jobs in the cities from their comfortable homes in the suburbs want to go back to rural work to fill the gap that foreign imports would leave? You'd need not only a revolution in fiscal policy but a social revolution too... forget about it.War Man wrote:
Did you forget about USA? We could do such a thing for the world just like we did after ww1 until the damn depression came along(it was caused by easy credit). Seriously, I am tired of lead made products from China.Uzique wrote:
WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH.
Pointing out clear facts of economic-relations between the West and China (i.e. we couldn't survive without them nowadays) is not 'supporting China'. What is this, America in the grips of Red fever? Any comment that isn't devotedly in favour of aggressive capitalism and democratic freedom for all countries makes me a hardline Marxist? I don't have to be Pro-China to point out that boycotting a bunch of Western corporations such as Adidas, McDonalds and all the rest won't tickle the Chinese economy one bit. I don't have to be pro-China to say that the Olympic games is one big propaganda tool for the Chinese state to use in order to incite the feeling of great national pride and prosperity in its people. This is a basic observation on a political theory; Communism and other forms of near/absolute totalitarian political rule need propaganda and 'nationalism' / patriotism in order to keep the great majority subdued and on the right side. Anyone that's read basic-level stuff such as The Communist Manifesto grasps this... it doesn't mean I have a portrait of Chairman Mao above my bed that I salute every night before I go to bed.
We're through Rasta? You didn't even address any of my arguments... is that how feverently you support your Free Tibet argument? I'm all for the freedom of Tibet, but again I must say that boycotting or politically acting over the Olympic games achieves nothing. Not even the acknowledgement or recognition of the Chinese government. Let alone action. So the only acknowledgement you have of my posts in this thread is my 12-year old knowledge of ancient civilisation. Thanks for proving your intellectual infallibility. I do suggest you re-read my posts and consider what exactly either a) the boycott of Chinese product/export or b) the boycott of sponsor companies will achieve. As I've already mentioned, a total boycott of China is about as realistic as human colonisation of Pluto... all of our Western economies are reliant and in the back-pocket of huge industrial producers and labourers such as China, as well as in the wallets of huge investments from countries such as China, Japan and the Middle-East. We cannot afford to sustain our standard of living and economical growth without them on our side; and that is the realistic truth, that is why our governments continue to deal with them and continue to tolerate their morally and politically abhorrent decisions. Without China right now, we would be fucked. Simple. Plus, the concept of boycotting also implicates this concept of self-sufficiency. Forget it... most of the Western countries don't have the resources, the working-labouring segments of population or the willpower to turn around their culture and society to be self-sufficient. Globalisation has made us all lazy and seeking the most convenient option. Could our lifestyle, industry, economy and global place remain constant if we never ever took anything from China again? Of course not- they're the next world superpower that will rise in the next century or so, we have to be riding their profitable wave of industrialisation and economic expansion with them, not against the tide.
Your mentality and attitude towards this issue, and your approaches to being pro-Tibet really were summed up appropriately when I called you "self-aggrandizing". That's not a personal insult or putdown as such... I just think you put far too much value and self-worth into yourself and into the Western world. We're powerless in every sense when it comes to being activist on the Tibet situation; militarily, economically and influentially. China aren't some dirt-poor dustbowl in the middle of the Middle-East that we can walk over to and bully into going our way on an issue. Politicizing the Olympics is stupid, illogical and ultimately a waste of time and effort.
Now I hope you read this, I summarized all of my contentions and arguments nicely for you. I'm willing to elaborate on any points that you disagree with or don't understand my explanation of.
Besides if you're suggesting that the USA could theoretically become a 'replacement' to the industrial-model of China, again no chance! The American people are used to a pretty nice standard of living that they've built up through the consumerist and materialist booms of liberal 1960's/1970's America; they're used to prosperity and indulging in personal luxuries. You really think anyone in the American population would want to go revert back to a Chinese standard of living? Low income, long hours of manual-labour work etc. Even if it did happen you would demand a standard of living and an income that wouldn't compete with the mass-manufacturing capabilities of China and it's dilligent people. Plus, perhaps the biggest complication that cannot be overlooked is the physical geography of it all. You don't have all the resources you need to be self-sustaining; you don't have all of the crops and agriculture to feed your own people; you don't have the facilities to churn out mass-made products because over the last 50 years you've outsourced it all to Asia. So there's a physical geographical impossibility involved too.
Nice thought though.
Oh and earlier on in this thread you made a point that a lot of money going into China from the West (or from the Olympics even) is going into their military spending. Well, where's the controversy? A huge amount of the foreign-investment in America goes into your military spending program and Pentagon budget also. I'll refer you back to the Keynesian macroeconomic theory again; the government intervention and economic stimulation must be spent somewhere- and where do you think your government likes to throw all that cash? Military sector of course! They'd be insane to actually spend all that money stimulating and improving the public-sector, that would bring the peoples' quality of life and the peoples politicisation up far too much. Completely undesirable by the fat-cats in command. So yes, China spends a lot of investment and incoming money on military spending... but so do you guys, so you're both culprits of the same economic 'crime'.
+1 karma, I am starting to love you man.usmarine wrote:
listen asshole, look back in this thread and you were tossing out various insults. so your insults are not insults because they are buried in walls of text? bullshit. get off your soap box and stfu. dont like my stuff, dont fucking read it.Uzique wrote:
Do you ever actually have anything intelligent to say?usmarine wrote:
retard
also, i am not going to truly respond to someone who in damn near every thread a typical response is ALWAYS negative about the US. thats a one sided agenda in which you have clearly shown your own stance on issues and that your mind will not change. i am not going to bang out tons of lines trying to convince you of anything since it wont matter. piss off
I didn't really read them because I don't have enough time, I just read a little bit of each sentence to get the point of what he is saying.Vilham wrote:
wait people actually read uziques posts? I saw them and immediately skipped them.
why dont you remove your head from marines ass, and tell me who "the new guys" are.Parker wrote:
just for shits and giggles, who are "the new guys"?War Man wrote:
This thread is getting boring, bf2s used to be a good site in 2005 until the new guys came to town.
Parker wrote:
why dont you remove your head from marines ass, and tell me who "the new guys" are.Parker wrote:
just for shits and giggles, who are "the new guys"?War Man wrote:
This thread is getting boring, bf2s used to be a good site in 2005 until the new guys came to town.
People who wonder who the heck I am, I used to be a bit more known 2-3 years ago.Parker wrote:
why dont you remove your head from marines ass, and tell me who "the new guys" are.Parker wrote:
just for shits and giggles, who are "the new guys"?War Man wrote:
This thread is getting boring, bf2s used to be a good site in 2005 until the new guys came to town.
Really?War Man wrote:
People who wonder who the heck I am, I used to be a bit more known 2-3 years ago.Parker wrote:
why dont you remove your head from marines ass, and tell me who "the new guys" are.Parker wrote:
just for shits and giggles, who are "the new guys"?
god i love womens beach volleyball. cant wait to watch it tonight.Kmarion wrote:
http://i38.tinypic.com/2j4de1z.jpgParker wrote:
why dont you remove your head from marines ass, and tell me who "the new guys" are.Parker wrote:
just for shits and giggles, who are "the new guys"?
That's tonight??!! Well that's the end of the boycott!usmarine wrote:
god i love womens beach volleyball. cant wait to watch it tonight.Kmarion wrote:
http://i38.tinypic.com/2j4de1z.jpgParker wrote:
why dont you remove your head from marines ass, and tell me who "the new guys" are.
The fact that you've been inactive for 2 - 3 years doesn't make you eligible for the gay irritating "I'm a veteran" internet elitismWar Man wrote:
People who wonder who the heck I am, I used to be a bit more known 2-3 years ago.Parker wrote:
why dont you remove your head from marines ass, and tell me who "the new guys" are.Parker wrote:
just for shits and giggles, who are "the new guys"?
not sure what time, but its on tonight.SgtHeihn wrote:
That's tonight??!! Well that's the end of the boycott!usmarine wrote:
god i love womens beach volleyball. cant wait to watch it tonight.
I watched the delay today.usmarine wrote:
not sure what time, but its on tonight.SgtHeihn wrote:
That's tonight??!! Well that's the end of the boycott!usmarine wrote:
god i love womens beach volleyball. cant wait to watch it tonight.
War Man wrote:
People who wonder who the heck I am, I used to be a bit more known 2-3 years ago.
Parker wrote:
just for shits and giggles, who are "the new guys"?
