BF2S Forums Transports 50 Cal's

So your saying they should decrease the acc of the M95 because your PKM is so bad?!

Injector- i was saying the accuracy could use being improved not decreased for standard .50 cals (would not affect M95)

Im aware that MG's are due for accuracy improvements but unless its a drastic improvement there still going to be fodder for the assult rifles which should be living in mortal fear of machine gun positions.
However the .50 cal on the transports accuracy is insane as they get Zero recoil and are akin to a lazer beam at long range .
I just find it strange that the potable MG's get such a shafting when hummers and vodinks are happily allowed to sport the latest in portable laser technology.

Im not even venting, just thought id share my observation.

Any news on what level of improvements the g3 , sa80, mg249 and PKM are due to be receiving?

Also, i would dearly love to see a small bullet arch introduced on the MG's.

Kooda

I've never had a problem with the accuracy of the LMGs.  As long as you're lying prone, the PKM can do some real damage.  45 damage per shot?  That's a Dragunov that fires 450 rounds per minute.  Granted, you aren't going to land every shot, but I've never really felt that the support class is ineffective.

Coolbeano wrote:

Barrakuda777 wrote:

However the .50 cal on the transports accuracy is insane as they get Zero recoil and are akin to a lazer beam at long range .
I just find it strange that the potable MG's get such a shafting when hummers and vodinks are happily allowed to sport the latest in portable laser technology.

There's a reason for that, you know. And not a strange one... not at all. A mounted MG is mounted.. on a ton or two car. I'm not positive about the weight of a hummer but I'm sure its at least a ton. Compare that to a 200 pound soldier with his kit. Recoil on the hummer... around ten times less than that of a LMG.

That's a good point and good justification for why they are far more accurate. It would really be overpowered if the LMGs were anywhere near as accurate as the mounted MGs (humvee, tank or posted MG). It's not like you can camp on the roof overlooking a flag with a humvee and just scoot back a little if anyone starts firing at you. LMGs have their advantages over the mounted MGs, and should not be just as accurate. They are still good for cover fire (especially the MG36), even against infantry under partial cover. They're not THAT inaccurate.

Coolbeano wrote:

There's a reason for that, you know. And not a strange one... not at all. A mounted MG is mounted.. on a ton or two car. I'm not positive about the weight of a hummer but I'm sure its at least a ton. Compare that to a 200 pound soldier with his kit. Recoil on the hummer... around ten times less than that of a LMG.

Point well made.

Im not even going to bother arguing. (isnt physics a bitch to try to argue against)
Still for me the LMG's still feel too innacurate, especially considering they have a bipod.

Mumble mumble... needs more practice with PKM....... mumblee mumble

Kooda

Torin wrote:

Coolbeano wrote:

Barrakuda777 wrote:

However the .50 cal on the transports accuracy is insane as they get Zero recoil and are akin to a lazer beam at long range .
I just find it strange that the potable MG's get such a shafting when hummers and vodinks are happily allowed to sport the latest in portable laser technology.

There's a reason for that, you know. And not a strange one... not at all. A mounted MG is mounted.. on a ton or two car. I'm not positive about the weight of a hummer but I'm sure its at least a ton. Compare that to a 200 pound soldier with his kit. Recoil on the hummer... around ten times less than that of a LMG.

That's a good point and good justification for why they are far more accurate. It would really be overpowered if the LMGs were anywhere near as accurate as the mounted MGs (humvee, tank or posted MG). It's not like you can camp on the roof overlooking a flag with a humvee and just scoot back a little if anyone starts firing at you. LMGs have their advantages over the mounted MGs, and should not be just as accurate. They are still good for cover fire (especially the MG36), even against infantry under partial cover. They're not THAT inaccurate.

Yes they ARE.
The support guns all suck more ass than those vacuum toilets they have on space-stations.
A support gun is so stupid, that yo momma stabbed it in a shoot-out.

Seriously. You can't hit shit. Okay, how about supressing fire then? Might work, if not for the fact that the ENEMY KNOWS that you can't hit shit. If I hear a LMG shooting at me, I calmly go prone, look around, spot them, and slwoly snipe them in the face. It's pathetic. So hitting things is out, and supressing fire is also out. Hmm. Okay, how about using a LMG to take out vehicles like transports? No go, even the PKM can't kill a buggy. Okay, but they are at least useful in close combat, right? WRONG. n00btube owns the support guns.
DOA-12 owns the support guns. Jackhammer owns the support guns. Hell, the SNIPER RIFLE owns the support guns. It's just sad.

Barrakuda777 wrote:

Anyone else think that the accuracy on these suckers is a little too good considering how woefull the rest of the guns are when fired in anything other that a mini burst.

I would love to see the PKM, M249 etc have their accuracy increased to be something more like these are (obviously with there less damage and within the realms of making support more of a balanced class).

It would make tactical support / suppressive fire a realistic deterrent for infantry and i think would help bring squad support snipers games along (as it is at the moment a support player is generally a free frag at anything over 10 feet for me).


Kooda

PKM is getting improved in the next patch, it really will be a people killing machine then :-P

Lestat<CoN> wrote:

I use Support alot and i reckon the MG36 and PKM are kickass if you have trouble hitting something your not using them right i never fire at full auto for more than 7 shots like i was taught on the real things short burst only and it helps i laugh when someone tries full force on me i just run up weaving about and let rip right in their face

That is exactly what I do however they both suck at anythign over 50yds. But this one guy kept killing me from hella far away with one shot on the PKM he did it like 5 times in a row.......anyone else think that wierd?

I play support alot and I think it may be my favorite class(toss up between it and AT right now).  I LOVE getting on the building to the south of the mosque(usual sniper hangout) on Mushtaar and covering both mosque and backyard.  Sure I may not hit  people dead on accurate, but that's what the other 10 bullets heading downrange at them are for .  The thing I do not like is the fact that I have to go prone in close combat to hit someone 5 feet away from me.  This weapon is slinging out way more of the same round that they are using, but somehow they tap me faster.  Maybe I'm just really unlucky and everyone I've met has just somehow gotten the headshot, but it seems unlikely they ALL did.

A mounted MG is always going to be more accurate than an unmounted one unless they somehow get a recoilless MG in the future.  MGs are meant for suppressive fire, and a .50 may seem super accurate, but think about it, you are essentially firing sniper rifle rounds at a high rate.  You kill fast with it because you don't really need to hit with it as much.  I'll never have a high accuracy percentage because I use the MG as I think it should be used.  Suppressive fire.  That means I keep it going even if I don't see any enemy.  It's there to deny options to the enemy and channel them into my squad's killzone. 

BTW, an MG takes down anything below APC armor quite nicely.  I guarantee you a HMMMV or Vodnik is not going to stay in an area when they are taking MG fire and can't see where it's coming from.  One of my current favorite things to do is sit on the above mentioned building and pepper the BH when it comes around.  I'll usually get one or two bodies falling out when it turns sideways to me.  Another thing is it won't hover there for long like it usually does when it has hundreds of MG rounds hitting it.  Sure it doesn't do much damage, but if you get several people firing at it, you can see the pilots panic and run to get a faster repair rate at the landing pad.

My favorite MG has to be the MG36(I think that is what the SF unlock is).  Accurate, high RoF and still the second deadliest MG.  I tried the PKM, but it's too slow and inaccurate for me.  Of course, I enjoy engaging at medium-long distances, so that is probably why.  One more thing(I think this is covered in the Support class Howto post), a lonely Support man is usually a dead one.  He shines when he's with his team, or better yet with a squad.  You don't need accuracy then.  The enemy is concentrating on your buddies, but you're devasting them with superior firepower.

AT medium to close range a PKM will rip apart nearly anyone who gets in front of it. At long distance you can kill people but it takes about 70 rounds or so if you're aiming. So if they increase the accuracy too much on it then it'll be too good.

In fact the only thing that limits the PKM is accuracy. It has plenty of stopping power since each shot does about 45 damage, it has a high rate of fire, and ammo isn't a problem since the support player as infinite ammo. Heck it can even shoot through some fences and other things other guns can shoot through.

WHat balances the gun though is that it has horrible accuracy when standing up or crouching. Once you go prone though it has a very respectable accuracy and when aiming while prone you can get some longer range hits then you would think.

In the end the fact that you have to go prone to hit the broad side of a barn is it's weakness that many people have touble getting around it seems. I think, personally, that this new accuracy improvement is unneeded and may do more harm then good to the weapon, since the low accuracy of the support guns it's more then rectified by the amount of lead they can send into the enemy

The real testament to the problems with the mg's is the relative rarity of people actually playing support.  I like the G3 so of course I'm constantly running out of ammo.  I can't tell you how many times I've called for ammo and there is ONE guy playing support on a 32 player map (maybe 2 or 3 on a 64 player map).  And with my luck he's on the other side of the map.  Sometimes there is NOBODY playing support.

Check my stats, I can use the pkm fairly well, but there's some maps and plenty of situations where support is critically handicapped by the inaccuracy.  Try hopping in a blackhawk and shooting from one of the open positions and watching the tracers cone out.  It's ridiculous.

A PKM is in your hot little hands which is far from stationary. Each shot ripples through your soldier's fleshy structure. On a mounted Mg on a transport though, it is held in place by metal. It makes perfect sence that they have better accuracy than simply holding one, or lying one on the ground. Just because it has those little pegs dosn't mean it can't bounce off the ground.