BF2S Forums California Bans Trans Fat From Restaurant Food

usmarine2 wrote:

I give up.  turq and atg call me a govt loyalist.  but when I have a problem with them doing stuff like this, I am told it is no big deal.

/im gonna go vacuum

lol.

Kmarion wrote:

paul386 wrote:

In a statement, Schwarzenegger noted that consuming trans fat is linked to coronary heart disease."

So is steroids you monkey.

He learned his lesson.

Smithereener wrote:

Isn't it the government's job to aid its citizens a la social contract? No effect on you? So second hand smoke doesn't affect other people other than the person putting the cigarette in his/her mouth? So idiots drinking and driving don't affect other people on the road? In your own damn home is one thing and while I do agree that banning fatty foods and other unhealthy foods/drinks is a bit over the top, there is a point where someone/something has to step in and determine what's the best for ALL citizens, not just one individual.

I never said that drunk driving doesn't affect people (same with second hand smoking), it clearly does. Drinking and driving is and should be a crime. That doesn't drinking should be. However banning smoking in all public restaurants is wrong. The restaurant should be free to make the decision to appeal to their customers. Wether that be to ban it or allow it.

The governments job is to not "aid" citizens. Their only job is to protect your rights. The individual and the free market can decide what is best for them. Do you honestly want the same people that handled Hurricane Katrina relief to decide what is best for you? Do you want to be a child again and have everything you do dictated by your parents?

Bertster7 wrote:

Banning trans fats is fine, provided it's not a blanket ban and is applied with a little common sense. You get trans fats in milk and banning that would just be stupid. Banning artificial trans fats that occur in nasty hydrogenated crap is a good idea. Non-hydrogenated oils are available for everything hydrogenated oils can do and having your food prepared in a healthier and tastier way can only be a good thing.

Other more direct and explicit bans that have gone on in the US regarding food (like this) have outraged me, but this is obviously a good thing. Regulation of what goes into what we eat and drink is not anything resembling a big brother state - it is a good thing which means we get better quality products.

It doesn't matter if trans fats are good or bad for you. It the fact that government has no right in doing it. Business appeal to their customers, and if their customers demand trans fat free products, then they will get it. A government mandate is illegal and morally wrong.

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

So is steroids you monkey.

He learned his lesson.

That is like me robbing your house, stealing your shit, and flicking a booger on your dog ..only to say years later (for no apparent reason) that I learned my lesson.

Ok, so because the guy used steroids 30 years ago, he can't  make good decisions concerning people's health.  Lol @ the flicking a booger on the dog thing, do thieves do that very often?...Btw, I have a cat.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-07-26 11:34:16)

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

He learned his lesson.

That is like me robbing your house, stealing your shit, and flicking a booger on your dog ..only to say years later (for no apparent reason) that I learned my lesson.

Ok, so because the guy used steroids 30 years ago, he can't  make good decisions concerning people's health.

Stop putting words in my mouth. You know if you actually paid attention to the words written your reading comprehension would improve. I was saying that I have a tough time taking advice having the government force their health rules on me.. especially given some of their previous decisions.

HurricaИe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

how many people do you know that use steroids compared to the number of people who unwittingly intake trans fats each time they eat out?

@Parul386, how about legislation regarding things like PCP and meth?

Your oblivious to hypocrisy. The occasional moderated intake of trans fats (with exercise) is not nearly as dangerous as anabolic steroids. Keep giving up your freedoms .. .

There are way bigger things to be worried about in regards to our freedoms than a ban on trans fats.

I am capable of worrying about more than one intrusion at a time. Work on your multitasking, it might help you in the job market.

paul386 wrote:

"California on Friday became the first state to ban trans fats from restaurant food, following several cities and major fast-food chains in erasing the notorious artery-clogger from menus.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation that will ban restaurants and other retail food establishments from using oil, margarine and shortening containing trans fats.

In a statement, Schwarzenegger noted that consuming trans fat is linked to coronary heart disease."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hZzw … wD9257J3G0

Big Brother is approaching fast. Just wait it is going to get so much worse when Obama is president. With a socialist health care system the government will all the more reason to tell you how to live your life.

Most of the time, I'm against this sort of thing.  Trans-fats are different though.  They really do a lot of damage to our health as a society.

usmarine2 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Most of the time, I'm against this sort of thing.  Trans-fats are different though.  They really do a lot of damage to our health as a society.

loyalist

Loyal to public health, yes.

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Most of the time, I'm against this sort of thing.  Trans-fats are different though.  They really do a lot of damage to our health as a society.

loyalist

Loyal to public health, yes.

facist

topal63 wrote:

Restaurants can still sell food? Answer = yes.
Can you smoke in restaurants (most)? Answer = no.

Banning trans fat in junk food is meaningless in terms of loosing rights. Smokers didn't loose their right to slowly kill themselves. And obese fat-fatties can still slowly kill themselves with: other fats and carb loaded unhealthy foods. Nobody has lost any rights or freedoms. They just have to serve cheap food to the obese dopey lazy public that does less harm in a broad statistical manner. Obesity is far beyond steroid use - as a problem in the U.S. Obesity leads to diabetes, heart disease, etc. The comparison doesn't take. Of course that's an IMO.

Since I don't eat fast food - it could be that I just don't give a shit that they could/would ban crap I don't consume.

it starts with cigarettes, and then trans fats, and then it slowly gets bigger and bigger until suddenly the government is telling you that you can only get food from government sponsored food providers

tbh

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

paul386 wrote:

"California on Friday became the first state to ban trans fats from restaurant food, following several cities and major fast-food chains in erasing the notorious artery-clogger from menus.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation that will ban restaurants and other retail food establishments from using oil, margarine and shortening containing trans fats.

In a statement, Schwarzenegger noted that consuming trans fat is linked to coronary heart disease."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hZzw … wD9257J3G0

Big Brother is approaching fast. Just wait it is going to get so much worse when Obama is president. With a socialist health care system the government will all the more reason to tell you how to live your life.

Most of the time, I'm against this sort of thing.  Trans-fats are different though.  They really do a lot of damage to our health as a society.

So does smoking.. I fucking hate it. I can't stand the smell. But it is not the fucking role of government to tell you what you can and can not eat/smoke in a -->private<-- establishment. I figured topal63 would have been one of the ones who could have understood that.

Eh...  Change my political leanings in the HOF to Devil's Advocate -- seriously.  My viewpoint on things depends on the day and the prevailing argument.

The government does a lot of things that aren't exactly in the typical description for government.  I really don't see banning trans fats as crossing a major line though.  I mean, fuck, we nation build entire countries on what appears to be a whim.

I look at it one way.  if the govt had universal health care, then they can do stuff like this.  Since I pay for my health care, stfu and I can eat what I want assholes.

Turquoise wrote:

The government does a lot of things that aren't exactly in the typical description for government.  I really don't see banning trans fats as crossing a major line though.  I mean, fuck, we nation build entire countries on what appears to be a whim.

I'd rather work on it than go with the flow.. I think we can guess where that will lead us (even more so). You can't force this kind pf personal responsibility on people. It's akin to "the war on drugs".