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i don't get it why would you attempt to take down a chopper with the support kits machine gun?90% of the time youd do little damage,get  spotted by the chopper and be blown apart by it.anyway you did nothing wrong.

I got a hind with the pmk 1 burst I would have to guess it was 99% damaged before I hit it thought. So i shoot at them with the pmk and hope for the best sometimes you get lucky.... 2 kills 4 ponits and no enemy chopper for the next 30 sec. And if you r real lucky there will be a fight over the respawing chopper...

Why not shoot him with everything you got when there is no infantry threat (and you are not on a cloak and dagger mission)?  It has been done in almost every war involving air to ground combat (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Falklands,.., oh and Iraq05) and its quite effective if the fire from the ground is comined and controlled in some way.

A friend of mine and 'I managed to take a BH down with the combined fire of 2 PKMs (some 2 1/2 mags used though). Assault rifles don't do much damage but sometimes it just helps the morale to fight back when you get cought in the open - you are almost dead anyhow if the gunner isn't a complete idiot (yes, and maybe you get a kill assist).

I have taken down choppers with the support mg. I got theam from full health to explode in about 2 clips. Its not impossible you just have to move with every big burst or so. If most or all the bullets hit then you will do some major damage to the chopper. A squad of peeps can rip an unweary chopper to pices too.

Last edited by Pernicious544 (2006-01-15 16:44:50)

lol Cept for the noobs that would actually hover the whole time for 2 full clips worth of ammo . That's like almost a full minute of hovering lol . And they didn't see you at all in  that time ? lol I don't buy it . Not saying it can't happen but ......

Anyhow when I'm driving with a full hummer , yeah then I can see taking a chopper out pretty damn quick . I've only done it 300 times . All you have to do is spot a chopper who is busy with other targets . Tail a chopper that didn't see you and he passes right by you , now you got his "6"  . Head in his passing direction for a bit and slam the breaks on . This way you have a solid shot for your gunners , both the 50 up top and the saw in the second seat . Keep in mind the saw gunner only has about 40 degrees angle to fire . This combo shreds choppers and has them smoking in no time . And speaking of smoking definitely hunt down helicopters that are smoking already and heading back to base to reup . These you can hit on the run . This is good for helicopters , buggy , other cars . But not for tanks . Can't tell you how many noobs get up top and shoot at tanks . Tanks now see us . Tank fires . We get killed by tank . -quick rant - DON'T SHOOT AT TANKS WITH THE 50. ! ALL YOU DO IS GIVE UP YOUR POSITION ! Thank you . That is all .

Any small arms v aircraft is sometimes enough to drive them back from a flag capture momentarily. Only the most seasoned pilot will stay and take his chances with an unknown enemy force shooting at him. Last week in Mashtuur City I saw a squad take out a transport helo and all occupants with small arms only. The M95 Sniper rifle is supposed to be able to take out a helo pilot thru the glass but I haven't been able to get a good shot yet to confirm it for myself.

I use the Support Kit now most often and have made many many kills thru the doors of transport helos to take out the door gunner and other riders so it is definately not a waste of time. I have also taken down damaged attack helos limping back to their base with the PKM and put a few holes into jets just to keep them looking.

Gumby wrote:

So did I upset the Aircraft operators Union?

Heh, i bet you did.

Sometimes I wish... (especially when MEC/CHI on Maashtur City or Songua Stalemate) that choppers were more realistic.

I had a conversation with a buddy of mine whos a Captain in the 101st Airborne about the survivability of the Blackhawk that he flys around in all the time and I asked him what would happen if you hit a BH with 25 rounds of 50 cal and his response was...

It becomes a dirt torpedo... hell, if you empty a clip from an M4 into it, it would probably blow up

and that just doesn't happen in BF2

I guess we'll have to see how much the hitpoints get lowered by the next patch

Your Captain friend is correct given some altitude/direction/range/speed/exposed vulnerabilities. An M4 CAN take it down IF it CAN hit the vulnerable spots repeatedly. In Viet Nam UH-1s would land or fly thru "hot" areas and be documented with dozens and dozens of hits and still make it back to base.

A Ma Duece can rip apart alot of things but still needs to hit less protected areas to drop a helo in a 25 round engangement. The chances of firing 25 rounds at a BH and hitting with all 25 rounds in the same place or all vulnerable places?... lol well you would need to fire an M2 .50cal to really know how hard that would be. If you are stationary with a vehicle mounted 50cal and the target is landed and stationary beyond 200 meters you might fire 25 but only about 5-10 will hit and hit all over the place. If the BH is moving the time it takes to make 25 hits is enough time (30-40 seconds and thats if you dont need to reload) for the BH to be out of your line-of-sight. If you are moving and the BH is moving well its gonna be hard to do.

I think the coding to make all the weak spots and strong spots on the helo (and other vehicles) would lag the game, wait till we are at quad-core pentium 10 level cpu's with 1000gig bandwidth on the internet. But EA could add a random or 0.5% chance of a lucky hit per burst i suppose.

hmmm good shot! were you using that new depleted uranium hyperkinetic round?

Well I've just had a read of the AD guide ( well written and B**dy helpful) [in the featured forum] . I didn't notice anything about the employment of small arms much in there. There was lots of chat about the missiles with a mind of there own causing TK's all over the place, something that frustrates me ( and the victim). Hopefully that will be tweeked in the next patch. In the mean time I'm going to take up that idea of Jonnykill's and go and have a pratcice at some sniping pilots.

Speaking of Loaded BH's: if the squad was working on VoIP and all layed there fire on the chopper, and killed it would they get a kill or kill assist for the quanty of bodies in the BH?

Hopefully there are some lonewolfs or another squad about to protect your perimeter while your busy looking up. OH look I think I just saw a pig fly past doing a barrel roll ;-)

Last edited by Gumby (2006-01-16 21:07:15)