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I know the source is CNN, but you all can find it on other sites if you wish. I just stumbled upon it on CNN, so meh.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/21/ … index.html

(CNN) -- The New York Times has rejected an essay that Sen. John McCain wrote defending his Iraq war policy.
Sen. John McCain wrote an op-ed for The New York Times, but the paper said it could not publish it as written.

Sen. John McCain wrote an op-ed for The New York Times, but the paper said it could not publish it as written.

The piece was in response to an op-ed from Sen. Barack Obama that was published in the paper last week.

In an e-mail to the McCain campaign, Opinion Page Editor David Shipley said he could not accept the piece as written, but would be "pleased, though, to look at another draft."

"Let me suggest an approach," he wrote Friday. "The Obama piece worked for me because it offered new information (it appeared before his speech); while Senator Obama discussed Senator McCain, he also went into detail about his own plans. It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece." Read McCain's rejected piece

In a statement released Monday, The New York Times said it is "standard procedure on our Op-Ed page, and that of other newspapers, to go back and forth with an author on his or her submission."

"We look forward to publishing Senator McCain's views in our paper just as we have in the past. We have published at least seven Op-Ed pieces by Senator McCain since 1996. The New York Times endorsed Senator McCain as the Republican candidate in the presidential primaries. We take his views very seriously," the statement said.

McCain's rejected op-ed was a lengthy critique of Obama's positions on Iraq policy, particularly his view of the surge.
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"Senator Obama seems to have learned nothing from recent history," wrote McCain, criticizing Obama's call for an early withdrawal timeline. "I find it ironic that he is emulating the worst mistake of the Bush administration by waving the 'Mission Accomplished' banner prematurely." Video Watch why the piece was rejected »

Obama's July 14 essay had taken shots at McCain for not further encouraging the Iraqi government to take control of the country.

"Instead of seizing the moment and encouraging Iraqis to step up, the Bush administration and Senator McCain are refusing to embrace this transition -- despite their previous commitments to respect the will of Iraq's sovereign government," Obama wrote in his op-ed.

"They call any timetable for the removal of American troops 'surrender,' even though we would be turning Iraq over to a sovereign Iraqi government." Read Obama's essay

Shipley, who was President Bill Clinton's senior speechwriter from 1995 to 1997, had advised the McCain campaign that "the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq.

"It would also have to lay out a clear plan for achieving victory -- with troops levels, timetables and measures for compelling the Iraqis to cooperate. And it would need to describe the senator's Afghanistan strategy, spelling out how it meshes with his Iraq plan."

He added that he hoped the parties could "find a way to bring this to a happy resolution."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said Monday the Arizona senator's position will not change based on the "demands of the New York Times."

"John McCain believes that victory in Iraq must be based on conditions on the ground, not arbitrary timetables," he said. "Unlike Barack Obama, that position will not change based on politics or the demands of the New York Times."

The newspaper endorsed McCain for the Republican presidential nomination in January, shortly before the New York primary.

In February, after it became clear McCain would be his party's presumptive nominee, the paper published a thinly sourced report that McCain once had a close relationship with a female lobbyist.

McCain said he was disappointed in the New York Times piece. The paper said that it stood by its reporting and that "the story speaks for itself."

McCain's campaign sent out fundraising appeals based on the article.
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The article "is particularly disgusting -- an un-sourced hit-and-run smear campaign designed to distract from the issues at stake in this election," McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, wrote in a e-mail to supporters.

"We need your help to counteract the liberal establishment and fight back against the New York Times by making an immediate contribution today," the e-mail said in text that linked to an online contribution form on the McCain campaign's Web site.
So, why only one person's views and not both sides?

I'll write something more constructive when I waek up some more.
CameronPoe
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His grammar wasn't up to scratch.
AussieReaper
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Because McCain was only attacking Obama's oped, and not providing anything about his own strategy or motivation.

Simply saying "your wrong" isn't good enough to be published. Reader's want to hear "your wrong, because..." and the New York Times would like a "your wrong, because... and my plan is to"

I can't see what's so bad about saying "please revise and re-submit"

It's not like they told him to fugg off cause he can't spell.
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JahManRed
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His grammar is bad, but it doesn't make him stupid. His policies do.

My grammar is terrible. Its a weakness. But my strengths make up for that weakness.  I cant find anything with McCain to counter his bumbling and selective amnesia.
IRONCHEF
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Because McCain was only attacking Obama's oped, and not providing anything about his own strategy or motivation.

Simply saying "your wrong" isn't good enough to be published. Reader's want to hear "your wrong, because..." and the New York Times would like a "your wrong, because... and my plan is to"

I can't see what's so bad about saying "please revise and re-submit"

It's not like they told him to fugg off cause he can't spell.
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Precisely.  They even said it was because he didn't even provide a plan..just a hit piece.  I read both Obama's and McCains pieces...Obama actually has plans, contingencies, etc...exactly what I'd do..exactly what people on this message have said they'd do.  THen you read McCain's grumpy old man piece.  BUt that's what he is..an opportunist.  He's criticizing every step of Obama's trip to the ME when he's the one who's gone there for photo ops and absolutely shameless lies as he walks escorted by a small army and wearing a flak vest while saying that market was calm and peaceful..nevermind the 6 market vendors executed that night as they left work and headed back to their homes.  McCain is a lost, wasted old man with no principle anymore.
usmarine2
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CameronPoe wrote:

His grammar wasn't up to scratch.
ya thats why.  rofl
CameronPoe
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usmarine2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

His grammar wasn't up to scratch.
ya thats why.  rofl
Sarcasm sensor defective?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-22 12:08:57)

Drakef
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Essentially, the paper is willing to print a McCain piece, just as it did with Obama?

The only issue is that they want something a bit more interesting from him than his first attempt for their paper, which is standard policy with any op-ed writer.

A non-issue.
13rin
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McCain's letter:

Senator McCain wrote:

In January 2007, when General David Petraeus took command in Iraq, he called the situation "hard" but not "hopeless." Today, 18 months later, violence has fallen by up to 80% to the lowest levels in four years, and Sunni and Shiite terrorists are reeling from a string of defeats. The situation now is full of hope, but considerable hard work remains to consolidate our fragile gains.

Progress has been due primarily to an increase in the number of troops and a change in their strategy. I was an early advocate of the surge at a time when it had few supporters in Washington. Senator Barack Obama was an equally vocal opponent. "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there," he said on January 10, 2007. "In fact, I think it will do the reverse."

Now Senator Obama has been forced to acknowledge that "our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering the level of violence." But he still denies that any political progress has resulted.

Perhaps he is unaware that the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has recently certified that, as one news article put it, "Iraq has met all but three of 18 original benchmarks set by Congress last year to measure security, political and economic progress." Even more heartening has been progress that's not measured by the benchmarks. More than 90,000 Iraqis, many of them Sunnis who once fought against the government, have signed up as Sons of Iraq to fight against the terrorists. Nor do they measure Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki's new-found willingness to crack down on Shiite extremists in Basra and Sadr City?actions that have done much to dispel suspicions of sectarianism.

The success of the surge has not changed Senator Obama's determination to pull out all of our combat troops. All that has changed is his rationale. In a New York Times op-ed and a speech this week, he offered his "plan for Iraq" in advance of his first "fact finding" trip to that country in more than three years. It consisted of the same old proposal to pull all of our troops out within 16 months. In 2007 he wanted to withdraw because he thought the war was lost. If we had taken his advice, it would have been. Now he wants to withdraw because he thinks Iraqis no longer need our assistance.

To make this point, he mangles the evidence. He makes it sound as if Prime Minister Maliki has endorsed the Obama timetable, when all he has said is that he would like a plan for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops at some unspecified point in the future.

Senator Obama is also misleading on the Iraqi military's readiness. The Iraqi Army will be equipped and trained by the middle of next year, but this does not, as Senator Obama suggests, mean that they will then be ready to secure their country without a good deal of help. The Iraqi Air Force, for one, still lags behind, and no modern army can operate without air cover. The Iraqis are also still learning how to conduct planning, logistics, command and control, communications, and other complicated functions needed to support frontline troops.

No one favors a permanent U.S. presence, as Senator Obama charges. A partial withdrawal has already occurred with the departure of five "surge" brigades, and more withdrawals can take place as the security situation improves. As we draw down in Iraq, we can beef up our presence on other battlefields, such as Afghanistan, without fear of leaving a failed state behind. I have said that I expect to welcome home most of our troops from Iraq by the end of my first term in office, in 2013.

But I have also said that any draw-downs must be based on a realistic assessment of conditions on the ground, not on an artificial timetable crafted for domestic political reasons. This is the crux of my disagreement with Senator Obama.

Senator Obama has said that he would consult our commanders on the ground and Iraqi leaders, but he did no such thing before releasing his "plan for Iraq." Perhaps that's because he doesn't want to hear what they have to say. During the course of eight visits to Iraq, I have heard many times from our troops what Major General Jeffrey Hammond, commander of coalition forces in Baghdad, recently said: that leaving based on a timetable would be "very dangerous."

The danger is that extremists supported by Al Qaeda and Iran could stage a comeback, as they have in the past when we've had too few troops in Iraq. Senator Obama seems to have learned nothing from recent history. I find it ironic that he is emulating the worst mistake of the Bush administration by waving the "Mission Accomplished" banner prematurely.

I am also dismayed that he never talks about winning the war?only of ending it. But if we don't win the war, our enemies will. A triumph for the terrorists would be a disaster for us. That is something I will not allow to happen as president. Instead I will continue implementing a proven counterinsurgency strategy not only in Iraq but also in Afghanistan with the goal of creating stable, secure, self-sustaining democratic allies.
Grumpy old man rant? Doubtful. Hit piece? Probably.  But not print worthy? Come on.  He has illustrated that Obams hasn't a fucking clue.  I wonder if McCain had written his piece first what OB's staff would have come out with.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2008-07-22 12:18:49)

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IRONCHEF
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No, he did not say ONE WORD about "his own plan" but attacked the other guys plan.  And he didn't even address Obama's plan honestly.  Did you read both?
ghettoperson
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That's not an essay, it can't be over 300 words...
KEN-JENNINGS
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How about a video of them both wearing a name tag, stating their name to the camara, and proceeding to honestly list how each of them will fuck over the American public while at the same time strengthening the power-elite/government relationship.

Until then, I don't really care about preschool bickering over two love letters written to the public.

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