It's page 3 actually.
like i said, we're not haunted by a ridiculously puritanical or evangelist religious bent / right-wing nutjob politicians. we are liberal, in the classical sense, not the pejorative fox news capital-l Liberal american sense. we're fine with tits on tabloids. tabloids are shit-rags for mostly working class people, who drive white vans to work on building sites, and want a little titillation (pun intended, tabloids love 'em). but strip clubs, for a normal upper/middle class englishman, are not comfortable places. they are not "woohoo awesome". perhaps we don't find them so awesome or inviting because the rest of our culture is so casual about sex. when you can see some nipples inside a daily paper, you don't need to go to a strip club with your pals for the exotic thrill.
But surely you have the same seediness across europe with brothels and upper levels of society and government cheating and getting hookers. Surely that sexual assault charge from the french IMF dude is an anomaly but it also is evidence of philandering and covert sexual obsession/indescretion.
Of course here in the US we have a huge hypocritical upper crust of uppity conservative old men shouting down to the plebes about their disgusting and immoral sexual pursuits as they diddle escorts and boy toys. Our congressional internships are essentially well-coordinated supply chains of malleable, ideological and supple young men and women for these cantankerous old hypocrites.
Of course here in the US we have a huge hypocritical upper crust of uppity conservative old men shouting down to the plebes about their disgusting and immoral sexual pursuits as they diddle escorts and boy toys. Our congressional internships are essentially well-coordinated supply chains of malleable, ideological and supple young men and women for these cantankerous old hypocrites.
i wouldn't readily mix the sexual atmosphere of amsterdam with the UK. nor europe's aristocracy's debaucheries. the UK is different to the continent. the englishman is very different to the louche frenchman who is very different to the leather-girdled german. mixing all of the euro's sexual attitudes is like when i try to pin the values of deep south pentecostals on you, just because you're from the same several thousand mile expanse. europe is extremely heterogeneous. it's just the fact we are more casual and less self-loathing over sex in the public and legal sense. however, that doesn't mean british people are hopping into the strip club and casino trade.
the basic point, crass sociological generalisations aside, is that 'strip club' means something significantly different in the UK than it does in, say, miami or las vegas. a different series of images. a different ambience. a different clientele. english society hasn't taken on the strip club establishment in the same way as nevada. i can't say it has ever come up here with me and my friends. it's just not an 'awesome' thing to do.
it's like in america how 'gambling' connotes glitz and vegas and lights and showgirls. in the UK 'gambling' connotes luminescent-lit bookmakers, open at 2am, with a straggle of 60-something single men with bad comb overs and long-coats that smell of old dog. the culture is different.
the basic point, crass sociological generalisations aside, is that 'strip club' means something significantly different in the UK than it does in, say, miami or las vegas. a different series of images. a different ambience. a different clientele. english society hasn't taken on the strip club establishment in the same way as nevada. i can't say it has ever come up here with me and my friends. it's just not an 'awesome' thing to do.
it's like in america how 'gambling' connotes glitz and vegas and lights and showgirls. in the UK 'gambling' connotes luminescent-lit bookmakers, open at 2am, with a straggle of 60-something single men with bad comb overs and long-coats that smell of old dog. the culture is different.
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I don't think you can really categorize europe all the same, for example, German execs throwing multimillion parties with sex workers.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
But surely you have the same seediness across europe with brothels and upper levels of society and government cheating and getting hookers. Surely that sexual assault charge from the french IMF dude is an anomaly but it also is evidence of philandering and covert sexual obsession/indescretion.
Of course here in the US we have a huge hypocritical upper crust of uppity conservative old men shouting down to the plebes about their disgusting and immoral sexual pursuits as they diddle escorts and boy toys. Our congressional internships are essentially well-coordinated supply chains of malleable, ideological and supple young men and women for these cantankerous old hypocrites.
Likewise in scandinavia it's also rather different.
damn Uzique managed to say it before
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Thanks for the insight trotsky.
Maybe in euro town. You do get those at the clubs here some places more some places less. Its not always about going to get your dick hard.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
imo there are 2 types who go into strip clubs:
1) genuinely lonely or sexually frustrated/adventurous/perverted people
2) 'lads' who go in with macho-bravado groups to ogle women in a strange rite of alpha bonding
i am neither. plus i've always got an above-stripper quality girlfriend, innit.
as i said, i don't think a restrained english person would really find it all that 'awesome' being in a place surrounded by naked flesh and women dancing for money. it's a little crass. i think we'd find it more uncomfortable than neat. again, though, our public culture and media has no problem with a little bit of nipple and after-tea frisson. so we're not as... repressed? therefore a place as vulgar as a strip club tends to only attract losers and low-lifes. we get our casual tit peeks from elsewhere.
i think london and maybe cardiff and a few other large cities have branches of hooters, but it's mostly seen as an american-import novelty. a mini-tourism thing. the strange exoticism of an american venue kind of glosses over the titties and ass part. it's more of a "so this is how americans eat out?" thing rather than a "look at those mammons" thing.
i think london and maybe cardiff and a few other large cities have branches of hooters, but it's mostly seen as an american-import novelty. a mini-tourism thing. the strange exoticism of an american venue kind of glosses over the titties and ass part. it's more of a "so this is how americans eat out?" thing rather than a "look at those mammons" thing.
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Forget never going to a strip club, I've never even been to a Hooters. I don't quite see the point of trying to sexually charge a public place. There are fully nude women roving around inside a strip club but what more are you to do about it? It's (hopefully) not a brothel, and from what I've heard from my friends who have been to the one near me, you'll have a cover charge or drink minimum and end up spending a lot more than you'd like when you could go to a liquor store and have an internet connection if you want to get drunk and look at titties. Paying someone to feign an interest in you just strikes me as a strange use of money.
Full nude only if you don't serve alcohol. What kind of country do you think this place is?!DesertFox- wrote:
Forget never going to a strip club, I've never even been to a Hooters. I don't quite see the point of trying to sexually charge a public place. There are fully nude women roving around inside a strip club but what more are you to do about it? It's (hopefully) not a brothel, and from what I've heard from my friends who have been to the one near me, you'll have a cover charge or drink minimum and end up spending a lot more than you'd like when you could go to a liquor store and have an internet connection if you want to get drunk and look at titties. Paying someone to feign an interest in you just strikes me as a strange use of money.
Strip clubs are public places?
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You have never been outside of the Midwest either so no surprises hereDesertFox- wrote:
Forget never going to a strip club, I've never even been to a Hooters. I don't quite see the point of trying to sexually charge a public place. There are fully nude women roving around inside a strip club but what more are you to do about it? It's (hopefully) not a brothel, and from what I've heard from my friends who have been to the one near me, you'll have a cover charge or drink minimum and end up spending a lot more than you'd like when you could go to a liquor store and have an internet connection if you want to get drunk and look at titties. Paying someone to feign an interest in you just strikes me as a strange use of money.
Public insofar as there are strangers there with you and it's not your own private residence.Jaekus wrote:
Strip clubs are public places?
wat
That's not been for lack of desire. Travel tends to cost money, you'll find.Macbeth wrote:
You have never been outside of the Midwest either so no surprises hereDesertFox- wrote:
shtuff
i consider myself a pretty urbane, debauched fellow, i've spent my time in the wild and bad places.... and i've never felt the want to go to a stripclub.Macbeth wrote:
You have never been outside of the Midwest either so no surprises hereDesertFox- wrote:
Forget never going to a strip club, I've never even been to a Hooters. I don't quite see the point of trying to sexually charge a public place. There are fully nude women roving around inside a strip club but what more are you to do about it? It's (hopefully) not a brothel, and from what I've heard from my friends who have been to the one near me, you'll have a cover charge or drink minimum and end up spending a lot more than you'd like when you could go to a liquor store and have an internet connection if you want to get drunk and look at titties. Paying someone to feign an interest in you just strikes me as a strange use of money.
What about those pictures I see of british whores in short skirts fall-down drunk on the street after a night out? Exxagerated social problem?Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i wouldn't readily mix the sexual atmosphere of amsterdam with the UK. nor europe's aristocracy's debaucheries. the UK is different to the continent. the englishman is very different to the louche frenchman who is very different to the leather-girdled german. mixing all of the euro's sexual attitudes is like when i try to pin the values of deep south pentecostals on you, just because you're from the same several thousand mile expanse. europe is extremely heterogeneous. it's just the fact we are more casual and less self-loathing over sex in the public and legal sense. however, that doesn't mean british people are hopping into the strip club and casino trade.
the basic point, crass sociological generalisations aside, is that 'strip club' means something significantly different in the UK than it does in, say, miami or las vegas. a different series of images. a different ambience. a different clientele. english society hasn't taken on the strip club establishment in the same way as nevada. i can't say it has ever come up here with me and my friends. it's just not an 'awesome' thing to do.
it's like in america how 'gambling' connotes glitz and vegas and lights and showgirls. in the UK 'gambling' connotes luminescent-lit bookmakers, open at 2am, with a straggle of 60-something single men with bad comb overs and long-coats that smell of old dog. the culture is different.
how is that anything like choosing to go to a strip club? lower-class skanks like to drink and not wear very much. that's the influence of american culture, if anything.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
What about those pictures I see of british whores in short skirts fall-down drunk on the street after a night out? Exxagerated social problem?Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i wouldn't readily mix the sexual atmosphere of amsterdam with the UK. nor europe's aristocracy's debaucheries. the UK is different to the continent. the englishman is very different to the louche frenchman who is very different to the leather-girdled german. mixing all of the euro's sexual attitudes is like when i try to pin the values of deep south pentecostals on you, just because you're from the same several thousand mile expanse. europe is extremely heterogeneous. it's just the fact we are more casual and less self-loathing over sex in the public and legal sense. however, that doesn't mean british people are hopping into the strip club and casino trade.
the basic point, crass sociological generalisations aside, is that 'strip club' means something significantly different in the UK than it does in, say, miami or las vegas. a different series of images. a different ambience. a different clientele. english society hasn't taken on the strip club establishment in the same way as nevada. i can't say it has ever come up here with me and my friends. it's just not an 'awesome' thing to do.
it's like in america how 'gambling' connotes glitz and vegas and lights and showgirls. in the UK 'gambling' connotes luminescent-lit bookmakers, open at 2am, with a straggle of 60-something single men with bad comb overs and long-coats that smell of old dog. the culture is different.
its not. I was just thinking you were painting this picture of English vs. American life as some cultured, "we all sit in our home library swishing our snifter of brandy in our tweed jackets while smoking a pipe and reading joyce while you American slobs gobble big macs and stare at hustler while fishing quarters out of your fat rolls to the beat of britney spears" type comparison.
no problem, I knew my trips to the seedier parts of wroclaw, riga and amsterdam would come in handy on this forum sometime.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Thanks for the insight trotsky.
You really think that staring at tits on the internet is at all the same thing as seeing them live? That's like when a certain someone said he had no desire to travel the world because he could just look at a picture book. Wow.DesertFox- wrote:
Forget never going to a strip club, I've never even been to a Hooters. I don't quite see the point of trying to sexually charge a public place. There are fully nude women roving around inside a strip club but what more are you to do about it? It's (hopefully) not a brothel, and from what I've heard from my friends who have been to the one near me, you'll have a cover charge or drink minimum and end up spending a lot more than you'd like when you could go to a liquor store and have an internet connection if you want to get drunk and look at titties. Paying someone to feign an interest in you just strikes me as a strange use of money.
That said, strip clubs never really did anything for me. Fun times with friends though.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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lol, this thread is now the official strip poker thread.
thanks in no small part to a moderator . . .
thanks in no small part to a moderator . . .
I don't care for nature. Rivers, waterfalls, forest, mountains, etc. have no effect on me.Jay wrote:
You really think that staring at tits on the internet is at all the same thing as seeing them live? That's like when a certain someone said he had no desire to travel the world because he could just look at a picture book. Wow.DesertFox- wrote:
Forget never going to a strip club, I've never even been to a Hooters. I don't quite see the point of trying to sexually charge a public place. There are fully nude women roving around inside a strip club but what more are you to do about it? It's (hopefully) not a brothel, and from what I've heard from my friends who have been to the one near me, you'll have a cover charge or drink minimum and end up spending a lot more than you'd like when you could go to a liquor store and have an internet connection if you want to get drunk and look at titties. Paying someone to feign an interest in you just strikes me as a strange use of money.
That said, strip clubs never really did anything for me. Fun times with friends though.
No shit. That is why I said that if I travel I would want to visit cities and places that are different from the Anglophone world.
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Strip clubs are really not popular amongst my peers or almost anyone I know. I think this has to do with the fact that it is possible to have a really good night out through till the morning without bars and clubs closing and there is never a shortage of women. I have only one friend who has ever suggested going to a strip club, and it's always at 2am after he's had 12-15 drinks and he's always desperate.
As for gambling culture. I used to work in the peripheries of the Russian mob run gambling network that thrives in Brooklyn, and everyone had a nickname like in Snatch. Secret poker rooms and sports books. Sick degeneration.
Mac, you don't like nature because you haven't done LSD correctly yet.
As for gambling culture. I used to work in the peripheries of the Russian mob run gambling network that thrives in Brooklyn, and everyone had a nickname like in Snatch. Secret poker rooms and sports books. Sick degeneration.
Mac, you don't like nature because you haven't done LSD correctly yet.
no you just want to go to asia with the hopes of banging an asian chick.Macbeth wrote:
No shit. That is why I said that if I travel I would want to visit cities and places that are different from the Anglophone world.
