Just stop talking to Scorp. It's obvious he's Alex Jones in disguise.
I know plenty of liberals who get the absurdity of conspiracy theories. Nutcase is not a prerequisite for liberal.CommieChipmunk wrote:
I'm sure that by now, the vast majority of the forum thinks that I'm some liberal nutcase, and while that's true to an extent I only argue for all of these conspiracy theories because I think that they're interesting. Chances are, Middle Eastern extremists hijacked airplanes and flew them into the Pentagon and WTCs, I'm no idiot but I've always like to toy with the alternate possibilities, no matter how fucking out there they may be.
However... last night I was looking through some old pictures and came across a coupe from a trip that I took to New York a couple of years ago:
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Whether it was either domestic political terrorists or middle eastern terrorists, it's sad, but it makes no difference. The real tragedy is the fact that we're often too busy pointing fingers that we forget the loss of life and the incredible pain it brings because events like these are still an integral part of human nature.
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Who the F is Alex Jones?too_money2007 wrote:
Just stop talking to Scorp. It's obvious he's Alex Jones in disguise.
My bad, I meant Dylan AveryScorpion0x17 wrote:
Who the F is Alex Jones?too_money2007 wrote:
Just stop talking to Scorp. It's obvious he's Alex Jones in disguise.
That piece of shit that made "Loose Change", the 9/11 Documentary. He spouted the same trash, creating a film that took quotes out of context and used uneducated information to form the worst conspiracy theory I've ever heard. A few years later, he finally repented and said he stretched the truth and finally gave up his crusade. I only see him as a profiteer off of a horrible time in our country's history. May he burn in hell, if it exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28film%29
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I see. Yeah, I'm familiar with that film. And I think it asks some interesting questions. But no more than that.too_money2007 wrote:
My bad, I meant Dylan AveryScorpion0x17 wrote:
Who the F is Alex Jones?too_money2007 wrote:
Just stop talking to Scorp. It's obvious he's Alex Jones in disguise.
That piece of shit that made "Loose Change", the 9/11 Documentary. He spouted the same trash, creating a film that took quotes out of context and used uneducated information to form the worst conspiracy theory I've ever heard. A few years later, he finally repented and said he stretched the truth and finally gave up his crusade. I only see him as a profiteer off of a horrible time in our country's history. May he burn in hell, if it exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28film%29
I'd have to agree about Avery.too_money2007 wrote:
My bad, I meant Dylan AveryScorpion0x17 wrote:
Who the F is Alex Jones?too_money2007 wrote:
Just stop talking to Scorp. It's obvious he's Alex Jones in disguise.
That piece of shit that made "Loose Change", the 9/11 Documentary. He spouted the same trash, creating a film that took quotes out of context and used uneducated information to form the worst conspiracy theory I've ever heard. A few years later, he finally repented and said he stretched the truth and finally gave up his crusade. I only see him as a profiteer off of a horrible time in our country's history. May he burn in hell, if it exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28film%29
He was on a show with his buddy and some sort of engineer (I assume) who was the opposition to his claims. The ''debate'' was shit, however, at the end the host asked him, what would it take to convince you of the official story and his reply was essentially nothing will convince me otherwise.
Something I have been trying to find out is how a demolition would differ from what actually happened. By that I mean, they can explain how the buildings went down in a way atleast echoing a demo (without foul play being a factor), but am curious as to what trates about the actual colapse put a red flag up to the whole idea.
Notice I said trates about the collapse, nothing to do with the cause, simply the collapse it's self.
Martyn
That's exactly the point I've been trying to get at too - if the layman can look at it and say "that looks like a controlled demolition", what is it that the experts see when they say "but it isn't"?Bell wrote:
I'd have to agree about Avery.too_money2007 wrote:
My bad, I meant Dylan AveryScorpion0x17 wrote:
Who the F is Alex Jones?
That piece of shit that made "Loose Change", the 9/11 Documentary. He spouted the same trash, creating a film that took quotes out of context and used uneducated information to form the worst conspiracy theory I've ever heard. A few years later, he finally repented and said he stretched the truth and finally gave up his crusade. I only see him as a profiteer off of a horrible time in our country's history. May he burn in hell, if it exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28film%29
He was on a show with his buddy and some sort of engineer (I assume) who was the opposition to his claims. The ''debate'' was shit, however, at the end the host asked him, what would it take to convince you of the official story and his reply was essentially nothing will convince me otherwise.
Something I have been trying to find out is how a demolition would differ from what actually happened. By that I mean, they can explain how the buildings went down in a way atleast echoing a demo (without foul play being a factor), but am curious as to what trates about the actual colapse put a red flag up to the whole idea.
Notice I said trates about the collapse, nothing to do with the cause, simply the collapse it's self.
Martyn
youtube makes experts out of everyone
so does bf2God Save the Queen wrote:
youtube makes experts out of everyone
The left paints the current administration as the gang who couldn't shoot straight, but yet some support the theory that there is this elaborate scheme and coverup going to the highest levels of government including the president.
seems like they want to have cake and eat it too. how can the gang that supposedly mishandled katrina, bungled the war in iraq, etc, be so effective in secreting the conspiracy theorist plot for so long? how is this possible? it's amazing i tell you.
seems like they want to have cake and eat it too. how can the gang that supposedly mishandled katrina, bungled the war in iraq, etc, be so effective in secreting the conspiracy theorist plot for so long? how is this possible? it's amazing i tell you.
Except Galileo had objective evidence on his side...exactly the opposite of the conspiracy "theorists".Dilbert_X wrote:
Or you're Galileo.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Except, where is the gold?FEOS wrote:
Except Galileo had objective evidence on his side...exactly the opposite of the conspiracy "theorists".Dilbert_X wrote:
Or you're Galileo.
Agree 100%. i'm not a violent person generally, aside from the occasional minor outburst of verbal anger management issues -- but I truly wanted to beat that fuckwit down when I saw him on videos of debates or interviews, or read his comments in his blogs. And every time some jackass posts "Loose shit" on the inter webs, while saying, "just watch it, it asks interesting questions"too_money2007 wrote:
My bad, I meant Dylan AveryScorpion0x17 wrote:
Who the F is Alex Jones?too_money2007 wrote:
Just stop talking to Scorp. It's obvious he's Alex Jones in disguise.
That piece of shit that made "Loose Change", the 9/11 Documentary. He spouted the same trash, creating a film that took quotes out of context and used uneducated information to form the worst conspiracy theory I've ever heard. A few years later, he finally repented and said he stretched the truth and finally gave up his crusade. I only see him as a profiteer off of a horrible time in our country's history. May he burn in hell, if it exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28film%29
Fucking Assholes.
/see there I go
..calming down now
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I never did hear about this crackpot "repenting" or giving up his crusade...got any links to that ? Maybe I purposefully ignored him so much I missed this information
http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/nov/17wtc.htmATG wrote:
Except, where is the gold?FEOS wrote:
Except Galileo had objective evidence on his side...exactly the opposite of the conspiracy "theorists".Dilbert_X wrote:
Or you're Galileo.
It can also make fools of people.God Save the Queen wrote:
youtube makes experts out of everyone
Skim through:
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&q=lolloosechange&ei=YAuQSPa5M4WyrgK8moG7Cw[/google]
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Take a look at this link...when you get to the page, click on "Click here to read the paper" and it will open a .pdf file to read. For all the controlled demo wackos in here, these guys are the experts when it comes to implosions and they state that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the towers to have suffered that kind of fate. These men were there, saw all that went on and answered pretty much all the bogus ideas here. The steel was not wisked away secretly...etc, etc. Read it, learn it, live it.
http://www.implosionworld.com/news.htm#1
Like I said, if any of you guys claiming such outlandish, impossible demo should take a moment and READ this report. If you nuts still believe anything else after reading a report from an independent source who monitored and viewed all materials, documented all evidence and gave their expertise that this would be and is impossible.....well, then there is no hope for you.
http://www.implosionworld.com/news.htm#1
Like I said, if any of you guys claiming such outlandish, impossible demo should take a moment and READ this report. If you nuts still believe anything else after reading a report from an independent source who monitored and viewed all materials, documented all evidence and gave their expertise that this would be and is impossible.....well, then there is no hope for you.
I don't, I'm afraid. I just remember he suddenly took down his website and I never heard anything again. Though, I'm sure he put another one up and is still out there lying is teeth off.Vax wrote:
Agree 100%. i'm not a violent person generally, aside from the occasional minor outburst of verbal anger management issues -- but I truly wanted to beat that fuckwit down when I saw him on videos of debates or interviews, or read his comments in his blogs. And every time some jackass posts "Loose shit" on the inter webs, while saying, "just watch it, it asks interesting questions"too_money2007 wrote:
My bad, I meant Dylan AveryScorpion0x17 wrote:
Who the F is Alex Jones?
That piece of shit that made "Loose Change", the 9/11 Documentary. He spouted the same trash, creating a film that took quotes out of context and used uneducated information to form the worst conspiracy theory I've ever heard. A few years later, he finally repented and said he stretched the truth and finally gave up his crusade. I only see him as a profiteer off of a horrible time in our country's history. May he burn in hell, if it exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28film%29
Fucking Assholes.
/see there I go
..calming down now
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I never did hear about this crackpot "repenting" or giving up his crusade...got any links to that ? Maybe I purposefully ignored him so much I missed this information
Your link mentions #4, not number 7 and as far as I can ascertain there are still about 800 million missing from just WTC #7Kmarion wrote:
http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/nov/17wtc.htmATG wrote:
Except, where is the gold?FEOS wrote:
Except Galileo had objective evidence on his side...exactly the opposite of the conspiracy "theorists".It can also make fools of people.God Save the Queen wrote:
youtube makes experts out of everyone
Skim through:
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&q=lolloosechange&ei=YAuQSPa5M4WyrgK8moG7Cw[/google]
Building 7 was knocked down by invisible elfs... everyone knows that...Your link mentions #4, not number 7 and as far as I can ascertain there are still about 800 million missing from just WTC #7
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Love is the answer
Give me a credible source with the missing gold in world trade center 7 and I'll look. The popular fable is the missing gold in #4.ATG wrote:
Your link mentions #4, not number 7 and as far as I can ascertain there are still about 800 million missing from just WTC #7Kmarion wrote:
http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/nov/17wtc.htmATG wrote:
Except, where is the gold?It can also make fools of people.God Save the Queen wrote:
youtube makes experts out of everyone
Skim through:
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&q=lolloosechange&ei=YAuQSPa5M4WyrgK8moG7Cw[/google]
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It wasn't approximately a trillion in gold. It was a approximately a trillion in precious metals. And that figure could be off by as much as approximately $200-250 million, as the gold may have been improperly reported twice (2 x about 250). That would make the recovered figure of $230 million, for one vault, more or less accurate. The balance of $400 to $650 million would be in relation to probably silver and about a missing $100 million in gold, if those amounts were reported correctly (I stress if those amounts were reported correctly. It is not like those numbers are from a bank examiners audit. I believe the #s to have been gleaned from news articles).
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So nothing official or evidence based.topal63 wrote:
It wasn't approximately a trillion in gold. It was a approximately a trillion in precious metals. And that figure could be off by as much as approximately $200-250 million, as the gold may have been improperly reported twice (2 x about 250). That would make the recovered figure of $230 million, for one vault, more or less accurate. The balance of $400 to $650 million would be in relation to probably silver and about a missing $100 million in gold, if those amounts were reported correctly (I stress if those amounts were reported correctly. It is not like those numbers are from a bank examiners audit. I believe the #s to have been gleaned from news articles).
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I've never seen anything definitive on the #. Like I said the numbers were ascertained from news sources/articles - I believe. So yeah, you can't say it's missing. And, does saying "it might be missing" make any sense (in the context of being an indictment)?
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And the universe was created in seven days. I personally need a reasonable amount of evidence before making grand scale indictments/claims. The problem with most these theories is that they will ignore the reports of 100 people and focus on the inevitable uncertainty among a few. That seems illogical to me.topal63 wrote:
I've never seen anything definitive on the #. Like I said the numbers were ascertained from news sources/articles - I believe. So yeah, you can't say it's missing. And, does saying "it might be missing" make any sense (in the context of being an indictment)?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I've seen to many videos like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7YCCduz … re=related
to believe anything from country/corporate "leaders".
Just take the story of Aspartame, the assassination of the democratic leader of Iran, the false flag op of Tonkin Bay, or the Roswell military news UFO crash confirmation. These guys deal in deception. Alex Jones and others are heroes for standing up against them.
A conspiracy nut is not trying to deceive me at least.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7YCCduz … re=related
to believe anything from country/corporate "leaders".
Just take the story of Aspartame, the assassination of the democratic leader of Iran, the false flag op of Tonkin Bay, or the Roswell military news UFO crash confirmation. These guys deal in deception. Alex Jones and others are heroes for standing up against them.
A conspiracy nut is not trying to deceive me at least.
