ATG
Banned
+5,233|6545|Global Command

usmarine2 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

face...fucking...palm

This is beyond ludicrous.
why do think all the other ones were closed?  wake up mods.
Stop whining.


Or I start calling you uswhiner3.

Kind of has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6200|Ireland
Can we start a new thread and debate a different yet equally stupid conspiracy, perhaps about Lenny and Squiggy being gay and that is why they never scored with Lavern and Shirley?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6545|Global Command

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Can we start a new thread and debate a different yet equally stupid conspiracy, perhaps about Lenny and Squiggy being gay and that is why they never scored with Lavern and Shirley?
Sure Spit, do it here.

This is srs.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6200|Ireland
Actually I think this thread belongs there because it takes a real retard to think the US government had the WTC buildings demo'd AND had a plane fly into them AND faked a plane flying into the Pentagon AND hijacked a plane and let people attack them and make it crash AND did it to just start a war in Iraq to steal their oil which they started based on nothing to do with 9-11 and forgot to steal the oil and wholly fuck the rush of common sense is giving me a head ache.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6733
I have heard that there is a recent shortage on aluminum foil?   Coincidence?   lol
Love is the answer
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6427|'Murka

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

I have heard that there is a recent shortage on aluminum foil?   Coincidence?   lol
That would explain the random teenagers and europeans stealing the aluminum foil out of my recycle bins.

They're like fucking raccoons!
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6200|Ireland

FEOS wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

I have heard that there is a recent shortage on aluminum foil?   Coincidence?   lol
That would explain the random teenagers and europeans stealing the aluminum foil out of my recycle bins.

They're like fucking raccoons!
Now that is racist.  Were these black hole raccoons by any chance? 

White bread cracker muther fucker.......
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6545|Global Command

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Actually I think this thread belongs there because it takes a real retard to think the US government had the WTC buildings demo'd AND had a plane fly into them AND faked a plane flying into the Pentagon AND hijacked a plane and let people attack them and make it crash AND did it to just start a war in Iraq to steal their oil which they started based on nothing to do with 9-11 and forgot to steal the oil and wholly fuck the rush of common sense is giving me a head ache.
Te4ll you what.
Why don't you make threads?

I am actually on the bf2s staff.
My job is to keep things interesting and I'm paid per post, so bite ma ballz.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6200|Ireland

ATG wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Actually I think this thread belongs there because it takes a real retard to think the US government had the WTC buildings demo'd AND had a plane fly into them AND faked a plane flying into the Pentagon AND hijacked a plane and let people attack them and make it crash AND did it to just start a war in Iraq to steal their oil which they started based on nothing to do with 9-11 and forgot to steal the oil and wholly fuck the rush of common sense is giving me a head ache.
Te4ll you what.
Why don't you make threads?

I am actually on the bf2s staff.
My job is to keep things interesting and I'm paid per post, so bite ma ballz.
I knew it, this forum pays for trolls and you are a scab.  You put that virus in my computer that planted the porn on my hard drive that my dear old grand ma ma noticed while she was visiting and thought it was a pilates video because her eyesight is bad that ruined thanksgiving and you did it to make me spend more time on the forum so you could make more money and by crack!

I knew it, i just didn't say it because people would say i'm crazy.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6011|Truthistan

Lotta_Drool wrote:

ATG wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Actually I think this thread belongs there because it takes a real retard to think the US government had the WTC buildings demo'd AND had a plane fly into them AND faked a plane flying into the Pentagon AND hijacked a plane and let people attack them and make it crash AND did it to just start a war in Iraq to steal their oil which they started based on nothing to do with 9-11 and forgot to steal the oil and wholly fuck the rush of common sense is giving me a head ache.
Te4ll you what.
Why don't you make threads?

I am actually on the bf2s staff.
My job is to keep things interesting and I'm paid per post, so bite ma ballz.
I knew it, this forum pays for trolls and you are a scab.  You put that virus in my computer that planted the porn on my hard drive that my dear old grand ma ma noticed while she was visiting and thought it was a pilates video because her eyesight is bad that ruined thanksgiving and you did it to make me spend more time on the forum so you could make more money and by crack!

I knew it, i just didn't say it because people would say i'm crazy.
Is everyone drunk tonight or what?
Its a conspiracy to get me to drink
Shit I need a drink....
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6545|Global Command

Diesel_dyk wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

ATG wrote:


Te4ll you what.
Why don't you make threads?

I am actually on the bf2s staff.
My job is to keep things interesting and I'm paid per post, so bite ma ballz.
I knew it, this forum pays for trolls and you are a scab.  You put that virus in my computer that planted the porn on my hard drive that my dear old grand ma ma noticed while she was visiting and thought it was a pilates video because her eyesight is bad that ruined thanksgiving and you did it to make me spend more time on the forum so you could make more money and by crack!

I knew it, i just didn't say it because people would say i'm crazy.
Is everyone drunk tonight or what?
Its a conspiracy to get me to drink
Shit I need a drink....
I know nothing of pilates.
I do the jibjab, not the virusues. That's OH.

He's like Robomod or something.
imortal
Member
+240|6681|Austin, TX

Diesel_dyk wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

ATG wrote:


Te4ll you what.
Why don't you make threads?

I am actually on the bf2s staff.
My job is to keep things interesting and I'm paid per post, so bite ma ballz.
I knew it, this forum pays for trolls and you are a scab.  You put that virus in my computer that planted the porn on my hard drive that my dear old grand ma ma noticed while she was visiting and thought it was a pilates video because her eyesight is bad that ruined thanksgiving and you did it to make me spend more time on the forum so you could make more money and by crack!

I knew it, i just didn't say it because people would say i'm crazy.
Is everyone drunk tonight or what?
Its a conspiracy to get me to drink
Shit I need a drink....
I am on one of those terrible anti-biotic medications that react violently to alchohol.  Any alchohol intake by me in the next week will result in me worshiping the porceline goddess for a few hours in the most violent way.

I do not drink much, but man, I want a beer.
Vax
Member
+42|5868|Flyover country

ATG wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Actually I think this thread belongs there because it takes a real retard to think the US government had the WTC buildings demo'd AND had a plane fly into them AND faked a plane flying into the Pentagon AND hijacked a plane and let people attack them and make it crash AND did it to just start a war in Iraq to steal their oil which they started based on nothing to do with 9-11 and forgot to steal the oil and wholly fuck the rush of common sense is giving me a head ache.
Te4ll you what.
Why don't you make threads?

I am actually on the bf2s staff.
My job is to keep things interesting and I'm paid per post, so bite ma ballz.
14 pages and it's still bringing 'em out of the woodwork, should prolly get a bonus


It's a valid topic, this conspiracy theory thing is part of human nature...some of these people though,  FFS.

Controlled demolition guys READ this topic, and especially the posts by deathbecomesyu (sp?)
imortal
Member
+240|6681|Austin, TX

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Let's put all the stupidity aside for a moment and open up the brain. As Imortal posted awhile back in one of his earlier posts, the tallest building EVER recorded for controlled demolition was a 32 STORY building. So all of the sudden, 3 buildings (WTC7: 47 stories and the two main towers: 110 stories each) will all be taken down in one afternoon. So one of the greatest engineering feats of modern history is going to happen and you guys are going to tell me that our inept American government is capable of this, is capable of keeping every worker or person silent....BULLSHIT!!
While looking further at their site, I found this, the 500 Wood Street building.  Much bigger than the Biltmore, but the record, as far as I can find, still stands at 32 stories.
At 3:50 PM on May 25, 1997, Controlled Demolition Incorporated (CDI) of Phoenix, Maryland, dropped the #500 Wood Street Building and its signature mural of Pittsburgh sports figures in the first phase of the City of Pittsburgh’s "Urban Mall" revitalization concept. #500 Wood Street was the tallest building in Pittsburgh when completed in 1902. CDI’s implosion of the 344.5 foot tall office building eclipses the world record for the explosives demolition of urban steel buildings which CDI has held since October 1977 for its’ demolition of the 28-story, 245-foot tall Biltmore Hotel in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
CDI worked as a specialty explosives subcontractor to IWSS of Buffalo, New York. IWSS was a subcontractor to Turner Construction Company, the construction manager and general contractor for the new Lazarus Department Store and Parking Garage which is part of a $78.9 million project being built for the City of Pittsburgh.

After two (2) months of preparation, CDI’s 13 person crew needed seven (7) days to place 1,590 linear shaped charges totaling 595 lb. of explosives on steel columns on 11 levels of the 27-story structure. CDI’s implosion of the structure yielded vibration levels of only 0.58 inches per second Peak Particle Velocity as measured at adjacent structures less than 70 feet from the base of the building. Other than a few broken windows, there were no damages to adjacent utilities or properties. Debris was so well fragmented by CDI’s implosion design that the IWSS contractor’s project manager said he was considering demobilizing the steel shear on a CAT 245B excavator he had originally brought on site to handle the debris. He feels the shear will be "unnecessary" during the fast track, round-the-clock removal of the 37,000 tons of debris over the next four weeks.

CDI’s 15-second implosion was a widely photographed end to a controversy over the destruction of the sports mural painted on the southwest wall of the structure by the late Judy Penzer, an artist, who perished in the crash of TWA Flight 800. Her images of Mean Joe Greene, Jack Lambert, Roberto Clemente, Mario Lemiuex and Bill Mazeroski melted before the eyes of thousands of spectators who braved a nagging rain which delayed the implosion twenty (20) minutes beyond the shot which was originally scheduled for 3:30 PM.
It does not change the enormity of the task, however.  2 months of preparation.  7 days after that, just placing explosives.  Imagine that; just setting the explosives took 7 days.

Here are the current world records for controlled demolitions:
Seattle Kingdome
Seattle, Washington, USA  03/26/2000
Record: The world's largest structure, by volume (19.821 million cu. m.), to be demolished by explosives.

JL Hudson Department Store
Detroit, Michigan, USA  10/24/1998
Records:  At 439 ft. tall Hudson’s is the tallest building & the tallest structural steel building ever imploded.  At 2.2 million square feet, Hudson's is the largest single building ever imploded.

Villa Panamericana & Las Orquideas
San Juan, Puerto Rico   08/16/1998
Record:  The most buildings shot in a single implosion sequence.

Omega Radio Tower
Trelew, Argentina  06/23/1998
Record:  At 1201' 5", the tallest manmade structure ever felled with explosives.

Edited for clarity and added content.

Last edited by imortal (2008-07-19 20:42:02)

DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+794|6701|United States of America
Just in case the Internets is part of a conspiracy that stops my posts from showing up on everyone elses screens, I can only post the Popular Mechanics article so many times. I've had to sit through hours of crappy conspiracy movies about several supposed instances, you could at least do me the favor of taking 15 minutes to read a well-thought out article in addition to the other posts.
usmarine2
Banned
+233|5807|Dublin, Ohio

ATG wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

face...fucking...palm

This is beyond ludicrous.
why do think all the other ones were closed?  wake up mods.
Stop whining.


Or I start calling you uswhiner3.

Kind of has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
you are the one who is crying about mexicans and the black helicopters above your house trying to steal your brain.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6637|London, England
damn mexicans
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|6782|Cambridge (UK)

ATG wrote:

I find it disturbing that in the argument about what happened, few discuss what was in the building.

usmarine2 wrote:

wouldnt surprise me if the CIA had some sort of "self destruct" thing in case of an attack or something.  I would not call that a conspiracy, I would call that smart.
This is actually the main thrust of my 'theory' of what happened.

As I have said before, I believe the planes were hijacked by terrorists.

I believe those terrorists then successfully flew those planes into the two WTC towers and the Pentagon.

I also think that the US intelligence agencies knew of those terrorists plans well before they happened.

Maybe they didn't know exactly when it would happen, just a rough time-frame.

Now, as ATG has pointed out, building 7 housed things that the US intelligence agencies would not want to have getting into the hands of Joe public.

The towers also housed many many computer files and documents that the US and other governments would not want freely available to Tom, Dick or Harry.

So, knowing the terrorists plans, knowing the devastation that those plans would wreak if successful, knowing that, in the aftermath of such events, ordinary citizens in the guise of civilian police, fire-officers, paramedics, clean-up specialists, well meaning volunteers, and so on and so on, would all have free access to vast amounts of highly sensitive information, is it really beyond reason to think that the US government agencies might take steps to protect those assets, however the events of that day had played out?

I think not.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-07-20 14:23:50)

FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6427|'Murka

Do you think those "secret records" that you all seem to know about would have been destroyed by a building collapse? It's not like that kind of stuff is kept in a generic filing cabinet. It's kept in safes that are built to withstand fire of 1500 degrees for hours. It would have been recoverable in the event of a building collapse.

If they had some notion that the WTC would be hit (even if they didn't know when) and felt it was enough of a threat to warrant BLOWING UP A FUCKING BUILDING then they would have just moved the stuff to another site instead of BLOWING UP A FUCKING BUILDING. Facilities like that (called SCIFs) are built and torn down all the time, all over the world.

That argument is so out there, it's not even a reach.

This thread is proof that common sense isn't.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|6782|Cambridge (UK)

FEOS wrote:

Do you think those "secret records" that you all seem to know about would have been destroyed by a building collapse? It's not like that kind of stuff is kept in a generic filing cabinet. It's kept in safes that are built to withstand fire of 1500 degrees for hours. It would have been recoverable in the event of a building collapse.

If they had some notion that the WTC would be hit (even if they didn't know when) and felt it was enough of a threat to warrant BLOWING UP A FUCKING BUILDING then they would have just moved the stuff to another site instead of BLOWING UP A FUCKING BUILDING. Facilities like that (called SCIFs) are built and torn down all the time, all over the world.

That argument is so out there, it's not even a reach.

This thread is proof that common sense isn't.
I'm not talking about top-secret documents, that almost certainly would be kept elsewhere and, as you say, very well protected.

I'm talking about corporate finance information. Ordinary day to day office paper documentation. As well as ordinary computer HDDs. All of these things, and more, were within those buildings, and all of them are, in many ways, far far more sensitive than many top-secret documents. These documents, or rather the information contained within these documents, are the things our countries are run on.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6545|Global Command
FEOS claims papers from a vault would have been recoverable.

So, where is the billion dollars in gold?
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|6782|Cambridge (UK)

ATG wrote:

FEOS claims papers from a vault would have been recoverable.

So, where is the billion dollars in gold?
That's another thing they wouldn't have wanted Tom, Dick or Harry getting their grubby fingerprints all over...
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6427|'Murka

It's clear you don't work in a classified environment.

Don't know why the DoD or CIA (or any other govt agency) would have corporate finance information (at least not related to an existing contract, anyway).

Your argument makes no sense if you apply even a little bit of critical thought to it.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6545|Global Command

FEOS wrote:

It's clear you don't work in a classified environment.

Don't know why the DoD or CIA (or any other govt agency) would have corporate finance information (at least not related to an existing contract, anyway).

Your argument makes no sense if you apply even a little bit of critical thought to it.
I remind you I voted for Bush twice.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6427|'Murka

ATG wrote:

FEOS claims papers from a vault would have been recoverable.

So, where is the billion dollars in gold?
No, I claimed papers in a SAFE would have been recoverable. SAFES are more secure than VAULTS as VAULTS are entire rooms and aren't made entirely of metal...like SAFES are.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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