BF2S Forums Ok, gut check..what would you do to this guy?

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well, beleive me Cam, when you have a family and something you love more than a camera, you might understand how emotion comes into play when they get violated and you are left feeling powerless to prevent it, stop it, or protect them from it. If you will assult a guy over a fucking camera, please do not try and tell me what I should do to protect my family.

Lowing, would you prefer it if the legal system stopped at your front door?

It already does, I have the law on my side when it comes to protecting my family, my home and my belongings.

lowing wrote:

It already does, I have the law on my side when it comes to protecting my family, my home and my belongings.

So then you are free to have sex with your own daughter within the confines of your home? You can't have it both ways. Private property is not absolute - it is a function of the state. You essentially are in a contract with the state - they allow you to use the property as you see fit and in return they protect your rights to that property. As such, your property falls under the supervision of the state, legally.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

It already does, I have the law on my side when it comes to protecting my family, my home and my belongings.

So then you are free to have sex with your own daughter within the confines of your home? You can't have it both ways. Private property is not absolute - it is a function of the state. You essentially are in a contract with the state - they allow you to use the property as you see fit and in return they protect your rights to that property. As such, your property falls under the supervision of the state, legally.

Yer right, and the state has legally allowed me to be law enforcement in my own home. It has allowed me the right to protect the "states property" of which me and family resides with deadly force if necessary.

Talk about a derail

lowing wrote:

Sorry I am not Buddist and I do not live in Tibet, now stop avoiding the question and answer it.

Thought you'd say that... whatever man, your loss if you dont want to read it

CameronPoe wrote:

So then you are free to have sex with your own daughter within the confines of your home? You can't have it both ways. Private property is not absolute - it is a function of the state. You essentially are in a contract with the state - they allow you to use the property as you see fit and in return they protect your rights to that property. As such, your property falls under the supervision of the state, legally.

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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yer right, and the state has legally allowed me to be law enforcement in my own home. It has allowed me the right to protect the "states property" of which me and family resides with deadly force if necessary.

Talk about a derail

Has it allowed you to be judge, jury and executioner in your own home? You can shoot someone unarmed and get away with it if he's in your house? If so then the US is no better than Saudi Arabia. Period.

Sure can Cam, since a home intruder is a direct threat to me and my family, I am allowed the right to protect and defend myself.... It is not being judge, jury or executioner, all of those things happen WHEN you enterthe legal system. Defending yourself and your family is a right granted you when the legal system is not available to protect you at that moment.

Disgusting isn't it?

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Sure can Cam, since a home intruder is a direct threat to me and my family, I am allowed the right to protect and defend myself.... It is not being judge, jury or executioner, all of those things happen WHEN you enterthe legal system. Defending yourself and your family is a right granted you when the legal system is not available to protect you at that moment.

Disgusting isn't it?

All I can say is that I'm glad I live in Europe.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

CameronPoe wrote:

I think lowing just needs to find an island somewhere where he can self-govern. Society isn't really the kind of place lowing is designed for.

lowing wants a world governed by emotion rather than rationality. God help us if his world ever gets governed by a menstruating woman.

Sorry Cam, I am a law a biding citizen, I do not trample on others right to life liberity or happiness, and i will fight to keep mine in tack. I do not need to live on an island, I need the criminals to be shipped to one, how about Ireland?

Now tell me more about the guy you beat up over a fuckin camera.............

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

As long as your kind are over there (well 25% of the population based on polls) and my kind are over here, we'll be fine.

I guess, those that will defend themselves and their families.................... and well.................people like you.

I never said anything about not defending my family. Perhaps you can't read. In defending my family I have in fact committed crimes in the past.

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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

As long as your kind are over there (well 25% of the population based on polls) and my kind are over here, we'll be fine.

I guess, those that will defend themselves and their families.................... and well.................people like you.

I never said anything about not defending my family. Perhaps you can't read. In defending my family I have in fact committed crimes in the past.

Ohhhhhhhhh  I am sorry, I thought that would considered taking the law into your own hands.....I thought you said you would make sure the guy got caught ( not really sure how you would do that without force, assuming he wouldn't be willing to stay until law enforcement showed up because you asked him nicely but anyway) and brought to justice. based on your rules, shooting a person is not allowed since he was not found guilty of anything in a court of law, AND your family and possessions are not worth taking a life over, so how pray tell could you shoot him? Even if you meant to shoot to wound, he could still bleed out and die. Your theories and solutions are so out of this world Cam, it should be read in a Dr. Seuss.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Now tell me more about the guy you beat up over a fuckin camera.............

I never punched him. I gave him a verbal dressing down in front of a load of passers by and then patted him down when he offered, although he had zero English so it was rather confusing.

Its called assault Cam, and it is morethan you are admitting you would do to a home invader.

"Shooting dead an unarmed man. Nice. Very nice. Shooting to disable, fair enough, shooting to kill, barbaric."

Punishment must fit the crime. I have a sword and a baseball bat in my room. Either should be sufficient deterrent to chase the invader away. If not then a smack across the head should suffice. Killing the invader? Only if your own life is verifiably threatened.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I never punched him. I gave him a verbal dressing down in front of a load of passers by and then patted him down when he offered, although he had zero English so it was rather confusing.

Its called assault Cam, and it is morethan you are admitting you would do to a home invader.

"Shooting dead an unarmed man. Nice. Very nice. Shooting to disable, fair enough, shooting to kill, barbaric."

Punishment must fit the crime. I have a sword and a baseball bat in my room. Either should be sufficient deterrent to chase the invader away. If not then a smack across the head should suffice. Killing the invader? Only if your own life is verifiably threatened.

A sword??!!, Well my God, if given the choice I would rather be shot!!

A home invader, IS considered a life threatening situation Cam, hence the self defence laws, not many are willing to wait for an interview t ofind out if he is armed or what he intends to take, before deciding if they just wanna go back to bed or not.

lowing wrote:

A sword??!!, Well my God, if given the choice I would rather be shot!!

A home invader, IS considered a life threatening situation Cam, hence the self defence laws, not many are willing to wait for an interview t ofind out if he is armed or what he intends to take, before deciding if they just wanna go back to bed or not.

I think America is a far more risky place than Europe owing to the gun laws. Perhaps there is a real difference here and we are arguing over oranges and apples. In Europe the likelihood of an intruder carrying a firearm is negligibly miniscule, as such the risk to the homeowner is likewise negligible and the concept of taking the intruder's life over a bit of property seems barbaric. In the US the same cannot be said. As such we are probably arguing apples and oranges.