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War Man
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uziq wrote:

eagerly awaiting british members of parliament debating the mean picture of england given in 'the favourite'.
Don't forget the anti-British American Revolution films like "The Patriot".
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Dilbert_X
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Glass - 6/10.

I could see the point, but the bulk of the film was given over to James McAvoy to repeatedly redo all the characters he'd done to death in Split.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|4880|Moscow, Russia

coke wrote:

Without having seen this.
I want to see brief review by both of you before I do watch it, "I'll wait".
[no spoilers]
sorry, i was away from... well, life, basically, certainly this forum.

the review:
this movie is total crap.  it's, basically, a very long description of one miserable episode in one miserable guy's life, in which all he does is... well... he doesn't really do anything, apart from consuming a lot of alcohol. regardless of what it presents russia like, it has no plot (much less any twist in one), no direction, no character arc and no actor play. great cinematographer's work, but that doesn't make the whole shebang any less horrible.
this movie is literally worthless. fake tits on a rotting corpse worthless.

so, there.

p.s. it totally failed commercially, btw.
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uziq
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'the movie is literally worthless'.

critic aggregator on rotten tomatoes: 98%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/leviafan

or, if you want to ignore mass opinion and newspaper hacks, a professional critic gave it 3.5/4:
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/leviathan-2014
"... the film’s ambitions are so grand and multi-dimensional, and mostly accomplished, that Zvyagintsev’s audacity can only be applauded. His is a career that now must be counted one of the most significant in contemporary cinema."

did you even see the same movie? 'it has no plot'? lmao it's literally a retelling of the story of job. it has such a well-established plot that EVERYONE recognises it as an allegory. an allegory is literally a plot that has become assimilated to the point of an archetype. it doesn't have a twist? what are you looking for, a Saw movie? se7en? no character arc? that's true: there is no 'arc', as such, like in traditional retellings of job: it's more like a decline. the movie certainly has a character decline.

can't help but feel your particularly virulent – and unusually hostile – response might have something to do with you being a butthurt ruski. coming from a country that even banned a comedy, 'the death of stalin', from cinemas, i'm not surprised.

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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|4880|Moscow, Russia
yes, i've seen the movie. i also, unlike you, speak the language it's made in. i also, unlike you, live in the country the movie's story set up in, and am immersed in the culture this movie sets up as it's background. and, though i'm not a professional hipster critic, but an average joe, i do have an opinion which i'd think is at least as valid as yours or of any other far-away member of "EVERYONE" you mentioned, and give it when asked: this particular movie is worthless for the reasons i stated in my previous post.

it's also, unsurprisingly, a total failure commercially - because other average joe's, who didn't spend years studying specific crap to be able to decipher what the likes of yourself could encode in their so-called "works of art", didn't like it. go figure.

p.s. didn't we have this discussion already in the past? it was about tarkovsky i think, and you were equally furious at me for not appreciating that stuff, remember? same shit different day, only now you have another "argument" to throw at me - the "butthurt russki". come on, really?
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uziq
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it cost around $3 million to make and took $3 million in the box office. that's not even a flop – never mind the fact that many great films in film history have been box office flops and have become regarded as masterpieces in their rental/home after life; i mean, kubrick's 'barry lyndon' was a flop in its time and is now regarded as a high point in his career, for example – and it won awards at many of the world's most prestigious film festivals, including cannes. i fail to see how that makes the film a 'total failure commercially'.

you keep making out the film was a huge let down to its makers/producers but it was nominated for an oscar ffs. i'm not according film critics, festivals, or the goddamn oscars any sort of special importance to me personally, but i'm not sure how a film-maker can aim for any greater success in his/her career? let me know! so far you are combining your deeply personal hatred of it with some misconstrued idea of 'success'. most film directors don't aim to make michael bay money, or to 'crack china' with a $100 million dollar movie that can be spun into a 7-part franchise. not sure how this confuses you! a film like 'blade runner' was a 'terrible failure' by this same estimation.

also, yes, my controversial hot-take on tarkovsky being a major director. an opinion that pretty much anyone who cares for film will assent to, presuming they have two eyeballs, two ears and a little bit of white matter in between. what do these two film-makers, who draw your very idiosyncratic ire, have in common? could it be that they are *gasp* anti-soviet in outlook?! because i'm not making any controversial or tendentious claims for them, here. there is an almost universal consensus on tarkovsky.

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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|4880|Moscow, Russia

uziq wrote:

it cost around $3 million to make and took $3 million in the box office. that's not even a flop – never mind the fact that many great films in film history have been box office flops and have become regarded as masterpieces in their rental/home after life; i mean, kubrick's 'barry lyndon' was a flop in its time and is now regarded as a high point in his career, for example – and it won awards at many of the world's most prestigious film festivals, including cannes. i fail to see how that makes the film a 'total failure commercially'.
i'd really like for us both to be alive and still in contact for five more years to show you this^ when everybody will have forgotten about zvyagintsev - and i have no doubt it will happen. can't promise anything with my current health though, but who knows.

you keep making out the film was a huge let down to its makers/producers but it was nominated for an oscar ffs.
anything gets nominated for oskar these days. black fucking panther gets nominated ffs.

i'm not according film critics, festivals, or the goddamn oscars any sort of special importance to me personally, but i'm not sure how a film-maker can aim for any greater success in his/her career? let me know! so far you are combining your deeply personal hatred of it with some misconstrued idea of 'success'. most film directors don't aim to make michael bay money, or to 'crack china' with a $100 million dollar movie that can be spun into a 7-part franchise. not sure how this confuses you! a film like 'blade runner' was a 'terrible failure' by this same estimation.
/facepalm
come on, dude. you can't be that naive. it's fucking pathetic. of course this movie is zvyagintsev sucking on western film-making community's collective dick, how can't you see that?

also, yes, my controversial hot-take on tarkovsky being a major director. an opinion that pretty much anyone who cares for film will assent to, presuming they have two eyeballs, two ears and a little bit of white matter in between. what do these two film-makers, who draw your very idiosyncratic ire, have in common? could it be that they are *gasp* anti-soviet in outlook?! because i'm not making any controversial or tendentious claims for them, here. there is an almost universal consensus on tarkovsky.
dostoyevsky did also paint russia in a horrible way - yet he's one of my absolute favorites. you know why? - because one doesn't have to go full hipster for several years to study shit to understand him. yes, i don't like people who are anti-soviet in outlook, especially when they don't know shit about soviet union, and simply tune in to anti-soviet propaganda prevalent in the west to score with them. maybe it even mars my views a little bit, i'd admit it. it still doesn't save the fucking leviathan from being one of the dumbest and pointless movies i've seen.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

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