BF2S Forums Why are lots of crimes committed by blacks?

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

So you are going to tell me that successful black people are NOT viewed as sell outs by people in the black community that have not achieved their own American dream? YOu are telling me that the black people that have not achieved are blaming themselves and not the establishment?

I have not once characterized black people as you say I have discribed them...I alreadly told you, I charactorize lazy people. I put the burdon of responsibility on each and every individual, regardless of race...That is something you can't seem to get through your thick skull.

I'm not black. Perhaps you need to ask some of the black members of our forum whether your rather racist generalisation holds or not. Educated black people and newer generations of black people aspire to more I would imagine. Those that have not escaped the poverty cycle, like white trash, have to fight against an anti-social culture: it's not a preserve of skin type.

You need to get off your off-topic 'personal responsibility' obsession for a fucking moment. Stating the obvious repeatedly does not answer the question posed by the OP. I have answered that. You can't seem to acknowledge the fact that breaking the poverty cycle TAKES TIME AND EDUCATION. People need to learn personal responsibility, it doesn't just magically zap into your head while you're sitting in your ghetto watching your parents shoot up. It's an intergenerational problem, as acknowledged by socialists, as distinct from race: white trash and blacks have the same problem, blacks moreso than whites because of their inherited position on the lowest rung of the ladder.

You can create another thread to rant away about whatever it is you want to rant about on the 'personal responsibility' front.

The question remains: Why are there vastly more impoverished blacks than white trash?

Last edited by lowing (2008-06-24 01:46:42)

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Gee Cam, did I just read you say something as stereotypical and generalizing as  an assumption that because a black family is poor and lives in a ghetto that the parents are shooting up???

Cam wrote.."People need to learn personal responsibility, it doesn't just magically zap into your head while you're sitting in your ghetto watching your parents shoot up"

Yeah, that is what I thought I read.  Well, I do not see anything racial, stereotypical, or generalizing  about that I guess.

Where did I say in that sentence that I was referring to a black family. It could just as easily be white trash. Skin colour is irrelevant. The symptoms of the poverty cycle apply to all. Nice attempt at dancing your way out of this question:

"Why are there vastly more impoverished blacks than white trash?"

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Gee Cam, did I just read you say something as stereotypical and generalizing as  an assumption that because a black family is poor and lives in a ghetto that the parents are shooting up???

Cam wrote.."People need to learn personal responsibility, it doesn't just magically zap into your head while you're sitting in your ghetto watching your parents shoot up"

Yeah, that is what I thought I read.  Well, I do not see anything racial, stereotypical, or generalizing  about that I guess.

Where did I say in that sentence that I was referring to a black family. It could just as easily be white trash.

CameronPoe wrote:

Braddock wrote:

OH NOES....lowing has just just drawn a big red circle around his racism for everyone to see!

I don't see the word 'black' anywhere in that original quote from Cam, why would you infer that it referred to a black family?

Indeed, hoist by his own petar. And he pretends not to be racist.... It's quite obvious that the moment that image was conjoured up he automatically imagined a black family...

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yeah Cam, the ghettoes are full of white people., and I guess the mid west trailer parks are full of black people huh?.If anyone is dancing it is your ass.

Why are their vastly more impoverished blacks than whites?.......I dunno...........What I do know is, a change in attitude regarding individualism is all that is needed to change that stat.....Society has done the right thing and changed for the better, 40 years ago. The burdon of doing something with that change, or taking advantage of that change now falls squarely on the shoulders of the individual.....Whitey is no longer an acceptable scapegoat for failure..

Avoiding the question much? I didn't ask for a solution, I asked why, statistically speaking.

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

and I do not care about stats, I am talking about individualism...personal responsibility.........Anyone that does not want to be poor does not have to be, in America today.............It then becomes a question of ambition, motivation, desire.etc...

So you are maintaining that every employer, selection committee, law enforcement official and financial body view everyone as completely equal, regardless of race? I think you're quite naive.

Yes I do for the most part..........I feel an institution will turn away some meth lab red neck just as fast as some gnagsta.

I think a cop is just as suspecious of a group of white guys driving around in a black neighborhood, as they are of a group of black guys riding in a white one.

I think an employer will take a well dress well groomed well educated black man, over a long hair hippie wearing a wife beater t-shirt with the same education.

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yes I do for the most part..........I feel an institution will turn away some meth lab red neck just as fast as some gnagsta.

I think a cop is just as suspecious of a group of white guys driving around in a black neighborhood, as they are of a group of black guys riding in a white one.

I think an employer will take a well dress well groomed well educated black man, over a long hair hippie wearing a wife beater t-shirt with the same education.

What do most cops think about young white men driving fancy cars?

Probably whatever their experiences dictate, Braddock...........just like all other cop intuitions..nothing racist about it.

I wonder what I cop thinks about, and prepares for, while answering a domestic disturbance call in a trailer park

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

What do most cops think about young white men driving fancy cars?

Probably whatever their experiences dictate, Braddock...........just like all other cop intuitions..nothing racist about it.

I wonder what I cop thinks about, and prepares for, while answering a domestic disturbance call in a trailer park

So an innocent young black person may potentially pay the price for the criminal activities of other black people. I'm just saying bias still exists. Your comment is just as valid about the trailer park, prejudice is felt by other communities too.

Last edited by lowing (2008-06-24 04:56:08)

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Uhhhhhhh, gee whiz guys, since the context of the discussion was the black community it doesn't take too much imagination to draw a straight line to what Cam said.

But, if it is indeed in question as to who Cam was talking about, I will let him clarify................Ok Cam, who lives in the ghettoes that you were describing based on the context of this discussion?

A ghetto is described as a "portion of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure"

White trash, illegal immigrants, poor people of all descriptions. All nations have them, they don't necessarily contain black people lowing. Again your internal prejudice emerges. The term originally was coined in Venice, a place where no black people resided to my knowledge. We refer to them as 'knacker flats' here in Ireland. They predominantly contain white people, gypsies and immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballymun_flats

lowing wrote:

I hear the sounds of tap dancing..............gimme a fuckin' break Cam.

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Avoiding the question much? I didn't ask for a solution, I asked why, statistically speaking.

and I do not care about stats, I am talking about individualism...personal responsibility.........Anyone that does not want to be poor does not have to be, in America today.............It then becomes a question of ambition, motivation, desire.etc...

So everyone can rise up the ranks of the company if everyone has the ambition until all Americans are the manager......

Reality simply refutes your argument, there are vastly more shitty jobs than well paid middle class ones. Lots of very poor people work a hell of a lot harder than any of us do. At some point factors like intelligence (influenced to upbringing, nutrition etc.), educational opportunities (related to wealth of the area/how shitty the schools are), poverty (do you have to leave school to earn money to support your family) become significant factors that prevent poor people from escaping poverty. Things that will influence your job prospects include; can you afford to drive, can you afford to do activities that look good on a c.v., can you afford to dress very well for that job interview, can you afford to not work for a period while you seek a decent job? Can you afford to do unpaid intership style work as a precursor to getting your job? All of these things favour rich kids over poor kids, hence equal opportunities are not equal even if you ignore any racism.

Background is not a completly defining characteristic, but it's stupid to ignore the influence that it does have.

Your argument requires you to ignore pretty well every study ever done on these topics, you are basically saying that you know better than thousands of  experts in the field.