13rin
Member
+977|6769
US proxy war maybe?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id … _article=1

Brietbart wrote:

Israeli minister says alternatives to attack on Iran running out 

An Israeli deputy prime minister on Friday warned that Iran would face attack if it pursues what he said was its nuclear weapons programme.

"If Iran continues its nuclear weapons programme, we will attack it," said Shaul Mofaz, who is also transportation minister.

"Other options are disappearing. The sanctions are not effective. There will be no alternative but to attack Iran in order to stop the Iranian nuclear programme," Mofaz told the Yediot Aharonot daily.

He stressed such an operation could only be conducted with US support.

A former defence minister and armed forces chief of staff, Mofaz hopes to replace embattled Ehud Olmert as prime minister and at the helm of the Kadima party.
Saber ratteling in response to Amadinnajacket's remarks?  Israel really doesn't mess around though...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6845
They've been tit-for-tatting for almost a year or more now. It's a big risk. This won't be like Osiraq.
13rin
Member
+977|6769

CameronPoe wrote:

They've been tit-for-tatting for almost a year or more now. It's a big risk. This won't be like Osiraq.
Osiraq?  Please educate me.

Also, If Israel does attack do you think that Iran would openly engage in operations in Iraq against the US as well?

*edit - wikipedia ftw

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2008-06-06 09:44:05)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6832|Texas - Bigger than France

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

They've been tit-for-tatting for almost a year or more now. It's a big risk. This won't be like Osiraq.
Osiraq?  Please educate me. 

Also, If Israel does attack do you think that Iran would openly engage in operations in Iraq against the US as well?
Absolutely.

I hate the middle east.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6891|132 and Bush

Release the Cracken!
Stop arming them while we are at it. (They don't need it)

[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-675732272133853571&hl=en[/google]
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6891|132 and Bush

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/ … cl=8195173
Thx a lot.
Oil just jumped up $10 a barrel.
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Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6473|Ireland
Payback for what Iran has done in Iraq, Palestine, and Lebanon is going to be a bitch.

Iran is so fucked, you would think they would have learned by what happened to Saddam. 

Peace through killing the Islamicly impaired.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6701|'Murka

I think the guy's just trying to solidify the right wing to support him if (when) Olmert steps down/gets the boot.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6781|Northern California
I'm not hoping for Israel to do such a thing, but it'd be nice if they did, that the US would condemn Israel, and threaten to withdraw all support of it's aggression towards Iran.  And then it'd be even cooler if Iran flattened Israel.  Wipe all the monuments, shrines, domes, temples, mosques, EVERYTHING off that land so it's no longer a point of contention.

But I fear, even with a Dem president and this Dem congress, they'd still feel it's necessary to protect Israel and that pisses me off beyond measure.

I know if McCain were president and that happened, he'd not only support Israel vicariously, but they'd probably have some ICBMs come in and flatten Tehran. 

I like Iranians.  I think they may be some of greatest people on earth.  I just wish they were free of their ideology and idiot leaders.  I'd hate for iranians to have a real reason to hate us.  Hell, I hate having any general population hating us.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6891|132 and Bush

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm not hoping for Israel to do such a thing, but it'd be nice if they did, that the US would condemn Israel, and threaten to withdraw all support of it's aggression towards Iran.  And then it'd be even cooler if Iran flattened Israel.  Wipe all the monuments, shrines, domes, temples, mosques, EVERYTHING off that land so it's no longer a point of contention.

But I fear, even with a Dem president and this Dem congress, they'd still feel it's necessary to protect Israel and that pisses me off beyond measure.

I know if McCain were president and that happened, he'd not only support Israel vicariously, but they'd probably have some ICBMs come in and flatten Tehran. 

I like Iranians.  I think they may be some of greatest people on earth.  I just wish they were free of their ideology and idiot leaders.  I'd hate for iranians to have a real reason to hate us.  Hell, I hate having any general population hating us.
Aside from the Israeli population of course.
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IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6781|Northern California
Well yeah, if it were possible to destroy israel and not the population! lol  I'm not some genocidal maniac..just a psycho towards world leaders wishing they'd reap what they sow!
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,057|7062|PNW

Kmarion wrote:

Release the Cracken!
Stop arming them while we are at it. (They don't need it)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en
Far be it for me to correct an external link, but I believe it's still spelled 'kraken.'

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-06-06 15:19:45)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6891|132 and Bush

IRONCHEF wrote:

Well yeah, if it were possible to destroy israel and not the population! lol  I'm not some genocidal maniac..just a psycho towards world leaders wishing they'd reap what they sow!
I get the jest if what you are saying. Tbh I don't even mind Israel being an ally. But treat them the same way we treat all of our other allies. Why are we in the business of guaranteeing their loans? Shit, Israel isn't even a member of NATO. Why we feel obliged to hold their hand in nearly everything they do is beyond comprehension..
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6832|Texas - Bigger than France

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Release the Cracken!
Stop arming them while we are at it. (They don't need it)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en
Far be it for me to correct an external link, but I believe it's still spelled 'kraken.'
But pronounced craaay kin, preferably with a scottish burr accent.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina
If Israel enters a war with Iran, I say we should let them fight it out without us.  If they want to stir up shit even more while we're in Iraq, they can go fuck themselves.  We really can't afford more war right now.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6781|Menlo Park, CA

Turquoise wrote:

If Israel enters a war with Iran, I say we should let them fight it out without us.  If they want to stir up shit even more while we're in Iraq, they can go fuck themselves.  We really can't afford more war right now.
We can afford it, thats not the issue!

The issue is do we really want to stir up more shit in a region that already dislikes us!?

Hey, if Israel wants to attack Iran let ISRAEL attack Iran! The Israeli's are MORE THAN CAPABLE of defeating Iran's military.  The Iranians are a racist, power hungry, oil hoarding, intollerant, prick regime that WILL eventually need to be dealt with. . . .  That is just fact! We can say we dont want any more war in the region, but the bottom line is Iran wants the bomb and wont stop pursuing it until someone stops them. PERIOD
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

fadedsteve wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

If Israel enters a war with Iran, I say we should let them fight it out without us.  If they want to stir up shit even more while we're in Iraq, they can go fuck themselves.  We really can't afford more war right now.
We can afford it, thats not the issue!

The issue is do we really want to stir up more shit in a region that already dislikes us!?

Hey, if Israel wants to attack Iran let ISRAEL attack Iran! The Israeli's are MORE THAN CAPABLE of defeating Iran's military.  The Iranians are a racist, power hungry, oil hoarding, intollerant, prick regime that WILL eventually need to be dealt with. . . .  That is just fact! We can say we dont want any more war in the region, but the bottom line is Iran wants the bomb and wont stop pursuing it until someone stops them. PERIOD
I'm sure you can see that Israel was very much the same in their pursuit of grabbing Palestinian lands and developing their own nukes.  Of course, we'd be the last to stop them from doing anything.

I also find it interesting that people don't think we can afford socialized healthcare, but we can afford nation building Iran (a nation with about 60 million people).

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-06-06 18:53:50)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6396|eXtreme to the maX
If it does happen look forward to:-

Mayhem in Iraq - the troops could even be cut off given the vulnerability of the supply lines.
Mayhem in the Straits of Hormuz - no more Saudi oil either.
Oil at >>$200/barrel, really there is no ceiling.

Then I reckon it could be open war with Iran.

Still, I don't suppose the Israelis give a toss.
Fuck Israel
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England
How would they pull off an attack on Iran? It's abit further away than Iraq (Osiraq) and they probably won't be allowed to fly through Iraq otherwise the Shias would go abso-fucking-loutly apeshit that Israeli jets were allowed through the airpsace. They'll have to cut through one of the countries, maybe Saudi Arabia would allow it. I don't know. No doubt that if they attack Iran, it will mean war. The US will definitely get involved, maybe Israel will intentionally start a war knowing they'll get the US involved and therefore an easy (or easier) win.

What about all those Iranian-backed groups near Israel? You think they'd let this happen? This could start off a pretty big conflict...

The rate at things are going, it seems that Israel, the US and Iran want a war. So, let them, I just hope we don't get dragged in because we're already busy fighting the people that were actually the original and proper target.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7012|Eastern PA
Israel makes an explicit threat to Iran which contributes to the price of oil going ever higher, providing a net benefit to oil producing countries...like Iran.

EDIT: An attack against Iran by Israel is a non-starter anyway. Unlike Osirak the Iranian program is spread out geographically in mountainous terrain, often underground and twice as far away from Israel. It's not like it's a massive facility on top of open desert.

Anything Olmert says should be taken with a grain of salt at present. He's a leader with his poll numbers in the toilet and is facing corruption charges. It's not uncommon for people in that situation to sabre-rattle in an attempt to drive up their ratings. Better to shift attention to some easily identifiable "other" than deal with an inability to orchestrate things properly at home. Witness Israel's disastrous incursion into Lebanon 2 years ago.

Last edited by Masques (2008-06-07 06:11:43)

Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6473|Ireland
Obama is going to tear Iran apart.  I have a feeling he won't give a shit what people think and he is results oriented.

Give a pissed off black man a stick and he'll poke you in the eye, give him a nuke and he'll nuke you in the eye.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6758

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Obama is going to tear Iran apart.  I have a feeling he won't give a shit what people think and he is results oriented.

Give a pissed off black man a stick and he'll poke you in the eye, give him a nuke and he'll nuke you in the eye.
Obama is a white guy so no.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6677

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Obama is going to tear Iran apart.  I have a feeling he won't give a shit what people think and he is results oriented.

Give a pissed off black man a stick and he'll poke you in the eye, give him a nuke and he'll nuke you in the eye.
Obama is a white guy so no.
It works with any race.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|6996

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm not hoping for Israel to do such a thing, but it'd be nice if they did, that the US would condemn Israel, and threaten to withdraw all support of it's aggression towards Iran.  And then it'd be even cooler if Iran flattened Israel.  Wipe all the monuments, shrines, domes, temples, mosques, EVERYTHING off that land so it's no longer a point of contention.
That has got to be one of the stupider things you have ever said, and you've said a lot of stupid things.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England
He makes a point though, everyone talks about Iran nuking Israel. Would they do it? Hell no, no muslim country would. It's got all their holy shit too. Also the radiation would spill onto the other countries.

Not to mention M.A.D

So to conclude: Anyone who thinks Iran would nuke Israel is retarded, the only reason the Iranians want nukes is so they aren't fucked around by Israel/USA all the time. Can't blame them.

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