BF2S Forums So...Innocent Texan Kids Get Sent Back To Hell

I don't blame the Texas high court, I blame the children's welfare services for not doing their job and taking the kids away legally. Which they could have very easily done.

The reason these poor kids are going back to hell is because they were not taken away legally and when it went to court the protection agencies had very little weight to justify their actions.

One of the main problems with America is that we interpret the freedom of religion FAR too liberally.  There are rational limits to the freedom of religion, and at least keeping a close eye on cults is one of them.  Social systems should be given more latitude to do their jobs properly.

There are far too many parents with twisted religious beliefs who are still allowed to warp the minds of their children because of legal technicalities.

ATG wrote:

Does one sick fuck make it right to round of hundred and ultimately tens of thousands for re-education?

If you think so, you're fucked up.

Kmarion and I came up with a compromise position.  If these cults allow periodic inspections from the government, then they could be allowed to continue onward as normal otherwise.

Observation is the best compromise I can stomach.

ATG wrote:

You gonna run The Minisrty Of Cult Registration?

If you think the government isn't shadowing these people you are naive.

The Mormon church has it's own version of the FBI, and those fuckers always know when I move and where I work.

Why? Because I spent two years in an FDLS house when I was fifteen.

That is rather ironic, considering that Mormons comprise the single largest religious group in the actual FBI.

Whatever the case, I'd rather have an officially secular authority observe the FLDS.  Again, I think you're letting your personal connection to this group affect your judgment.

ATG wrote:

Who would know more about them; a person who lived among them and walked away freely to embrace agnostic thinking or somebody reading propaganda?

A secular authority with Mormons among its ranks.

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ATG wrote:

You gonna run The Minisrty Of Cult Registration?

If you think the government isn't shadowing these people you are naive.

The Mormon church has it's own version of the FBI, and those fuckers always know when I move and where I work.

Why? Because I spent two years in an FDLS house when I was fifteen.

Then why don't you find them and kill them?

Stingray24 wrote:

When the government's stamp of approval is required for your beliefs, religious freedom has ceased to exist.  On that day, the US that the founding fathers risked their lives for will be no more.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=102129

FREEDOM!!!

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

When the government's stamp of approval is required for your beliefs, religious freedom has ceased to exist.  On that day, the US that the founding fathers risked their lives for will be no more.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=102129

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FREEDOM!!!

Newbie's got it right.  Sometimes, as a society, we have to define what is acceptable and what isn't.  It's kind of funny too, because I'm taking the conservative view on this subject while most of the people who disagree with me are conservatives themselves.

This is a case where social conservatism is the more practical and logical route.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

When the government's stamp of approval is required for your beliefs, religious freedom has ceased to exist.  On that day, the US that the founding fathers risked their lives for will be no more.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=102129

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FREEDOM!!!

When anyone commits a crime they must be prosecuted.  I've said this til I turn blue.  What I have a problem with is the government stepping beyond the law and regulating religion in any way, shape, or form.

David.P wrote:

ATG wrote:

Who would know more about them; a person who lived among them and walked away freely to embrace agnostic thinking or somebody reading propaganda?

Can you tell us the stroy?

What do you want to know?

FallenMorgan wrote:

The 400-something kids who were taken from the hellish FYZ Polygamist compound will be sent back.  The Texan supreme court is the biggest bunch of assholes.  Merryl Jessup's former wife talked about children being abused, and recently, there were pictures of Warren Jeffs with a 12 or 13 year old wife.  The girls will grow up, and be forced to marry an old pedofile, while the boys will be taught that girls are property.

All I hope is that someone kills Merryl Jessup.  The bastards in the Texan supreme court assume that everything's fine because the brainwashed robotic women say it's fine.  Honestly, how fucked up is the world?  There's no doubt that those kids will be abused further.  It's sick, and I hope that if Warren Jeffs is released from prison, he ends up hanging from a tree.

For those of you who think it's a good thing: what's more important?  The mental and physical help of a few hundred kids, or the "rights" of a bunch of evil parents?  The younger men, along with women, are victims, it's the leery old men who are the evil ones.

You know that this is out and out religious persecution right!!??

This all because some crazy southern baptist have infiltrated Texas CPS and are waging their religious war against these Mormans.

Now I am all for limiting religious freedom, but I would like to start with the religious right (namely southern baptists), they are the ones that need persecuting in order to save all of our freedoms. not to mention the fact that there IS separation of church and state in this country. What CPS is trying to do is backdoor the enforcement of a state religion.

I am just surprised that the Texas Supreme Court had the stones to get this one right seeing as how they are elected. I guess not even the scare of losing the next election was not enough for them to stomach the crap that CPS and the Baptists' are trying to pull.

The people at CPS who are responsible should be fired and probably jailed on federal abuse of civil liberties charges.

As for the ALLEGED pedophiles let the DA bring the evidence on the INDIVIDUAL or INDIVIDUALS who are responsible, not entire innocent families. By analogy of what CPS has done, the state should have taken the children away from entire congregations caught up in the Catholic priest pedophiles scandals. Thank God we don't live in a Kafka society where crazy religious groups can hijack state entities and use the coercive force of the state to make us bow to their asinine beliefs (ie IRAN).

If I sound angry about all of this, its because it looks a lot like when the governments took Native Americans away from their families. I have known more that a few of Native Americans who were taken away. The exact same thing has happened here where there is naked attempt to destroy these people's belief systems by stealing their children. If that's not religious persecution then I don't know what is? What CPS did here truly disgusts me.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

You know that this is out and out religious persecution right!!??

This all because some crazy southern baptist have infiltrated Texas CPS and are waging their religious war against these Mormans.

Now I am all for limiting religious freedom, but I would like to start with the religious right (namely southern baptists), they are the ones that need persecuting in order to save all of our freedoms. not to mention the fact that there IS separation of church and state in this country. What CPS is trying to do is backdoor the enforcement of a state religion.

I am just surprised that the Texas Supreme Court had the stones to get this one right seeing as how they are elected. I guess not even the scare of losing the next election was not enough for them to stomach the crap that CPS and the Baptists' are trying to pull.

The people at CPS who are responsible should be fired and probably jailed on federal abuse of civil liberties charges.

As for the ALLEGED pedophiles let the DA bring the evidence on the INDIVIDUAL or INDIVIDUALS who are responsible, not entire innocent families. By analogy of what CPS has done, the state should have taken the children away from entire congregations caught up in the Catholic priest pedophiles scandals. Thank God we don't live in a Kafka society where crazy religious groups can hijack state entities and use the coercive force of the state to make us bow to their asinine beliefs (ie IRAN).

If I sound angry about all of this, its because it looks a lot like when the governments took Native Americans away from their families. I have known more that a few of Native Americans who were taken away. The exact same thing has happened here where there is naked attempt to destroy these people's belief systems by stealing their children. If that's not religious persecution then I don't know what is? What CPS did here truly disgusts me.

This is going to be the first time I've ever defended the religious right, but here it goes...

What Texas did was respond to a prank call that turned out to make allegations that were true.  There has already been evidence presented of pedophilic behavior (marrying 12 year olds with adults) and of child abuse (shown by injuries on some children).  I'm not exactly sure what precedents they're applying to this case, but there does seem to be a general confusion in the interpretation of the freedom of religion and the rights of children.

Whatever the case, I find it very difficult to defend a cult like this one, especially one that condones child marriages and polygamy.  Polygamy is against the law, and child marriages are very murky legal territory.

It's more than just the religious right that would like to see these cults eventually disappear.  There are plenty of atheists like myself that have no interest in allowing child marriages and polygamy to continue.

Again, there is a fine line between religion and dementia.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-05-31 17:48:51)