Morpheus
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Freezer7Pro wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

I just think a bypass switch would be the best solution.
tee-hee


an insert jack would take care of that.......
you know how they are wired, right?
Not really, I don't deal much with mixing stuff.

A quick look at the Wikipedia article hints that it's roughly the same thing as the the "jumper plugs" in home audio equipment, but with switched TS/TRS plugs rather than RCA. Would that be correct?

In that case, I don't see why they'd be a better solution, as the main advantage would be the switch in the TRS jacks allowing for automatic bypassing, something that is much harder to achieve with RCA (and much more expensive, since it'd require rather special connectors).
indeed. it uses TRS jacks, wired in a 'through' configuration - when there is nothing in the jack, it passes the signal through to the other terminal. If there is a plug in the jack, it sends the signal down the tip, and expects a return signal on the sleeve... it is better for exactly the reason you mentioned - automatic switching - why else would you put something in if you didn't want to use an 'effect'?

Because I want to split the output?
Ah!. Ok, well, then in that case, you only insert the plug to the 'sleeve' connector, aka the 'first click'. The signal is still passed through the jack terminals, but also down the plug





do you need a block diagram?


And there's no special or expensive equipment.

Last edited by Morpheus (2010-12-14 21:14:55)

EE (hats
oh fucksticks
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|6997|Toronto | Canada

Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

well after looking around and updating myself i think ..wow have monitors changed fast
i know now my 2006 lcd isnt the best for photography..
looking at IPS monitors
anyone use one?
http://www.amazon.com/UltraSharp-2209WA … amp;sr=1-3
Yep, I have the Ultrasharp 2711, its a beautiful beast.  You probably dont need that big, I've heard the 24 inch model is good too.
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
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Morpheus wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Morpheus wrote:


tee-hee


an insert jack would take care of that.......
you know how they are wired, right?
Not really, I don't deal much with mixing stuff.

A quick look at the Wikipedia article hints that it's roughly the same thing as the the "jumper plugs" in home audio equipment, but with switched TS/TRS plugs rather than RCA. Would that be correct?

In that case, I don't see why they'd be a better solution, as the main advantage would be the switch in the TRS jacks allowing for automatic bypassing, something that is much harder to achieve with RCA (and much more expensive, since it'd require rather special connectors).
indeed. it uses TRS jacks, wired in a 'through' configuration - when there is nothing in the jack, it passes the signal through to the other terminal. If there is a plug in the jack, it sends the signal down the tip, and expects a return signal on the sleeve... it is better for exactly the reason you mentioned - automatic switching - why else would you put something in if you didn't want to use an 'effect'?

Because I want to split the output?
Ah!. Ok, well, then in that case, you only insert the plug to the 'sleeve' connector, aka the 'first click'. The signal is still passed through the jack terminals, but also down the plug





do you need a block diagram?
No, I understand how it works. The point I'm making is that TRS connectors aren't exactly the most common interface in home audio applications, and would have to be adapted to RCA somehow. Switched RCA plugs would be great, but they aren't very common at all.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Morpheus
This shit still going?
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Freezer7Pro wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:


Not really, I don't deal much with mixing stuff.

A quick look at the Wikipedia article hints that it's roughly the same thing as the the "jumper plugs" in home audio equipment, but with switched TS/TRS plugs rather than RCA. Would that be correct?

In that case, I don't see why they'd be a better solution, as the main advantage would be the switch in the TRS jacks allowing for automatic bypassing, something that is much harder to achieve with RCA (and much more expensive, since it'd require rather special connectors).
indeed. it uses TRS jacks, wired in a 'through' configuration - when there is nothing in the jack, it passes the signal through to the other terminal. If there is a plug in the jack, it sends the signal down the tip, and expects a return signal on the sleeve... it is better for exactly the reason you mentioned - automatic switching - why else would you put something in if you didn't want to use an 'effect'?

Because I want to split the output?
Ah!. Ok, well, then in that case, you only insert the plug to the 'sleeve' connector, aka the 'first click'. The signal is still passed through the jack terminals, but also down the plug





do you need a block diagram?
No, I understand how it works. The point I'm making is that TRS connectors aren't exactly the most common interface in home audio applications, and would have to be adapted to RCA somehow. Switched RCA plugs would be great, but they aren't very common at all.
TRS, especially in an insert situation, are no different than RCA (signal wise), and you can find plenty of places to purchase cables, if you can't make them yourself.
EE (hats

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

well after looking around and updating myself i think ..wow have monitors changed fast
i know now my 2006 lcd isnt the best for photography..
looking at IPS monitors
anyone use one?
http://www.amazon.com/UltraSharp-2209WA … amp;sr=1-3
Yep, I have the Ultrasharp 2711, its a beautiful beast.  You probably dont need that big, I've heard the 24 inch model is good too.
wow are you on it right now? that sounds like tv size. what do you do on there?

u recommended the 24
coming from a 21" inch may be mind blowing. 23" more of what i was looking for. hm the smaller models have 82% color gamut, 8ms...


BUT the 24" IPS monitor with "6 ms response time, superb color reproduction and 102% color gamut with factory-calibrated presets." sounds pretty glorious
hehe
Morpheus
This shit still going?
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Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

well after looking around and updating myself i think ..wow have monitors changed fast
i know now my 2006 lcd isnt the best for photography..
looking at IPS monitors
anyone use one?
http://www.amazon.com/UltraSharp-2209WA … amp;sr=1-3
Yep, I have the Ultrasharp 2711, its a beautiful beast.  You probably dont need that big, I've heard the 24 inch model is good too.
wow are you on it right now? that sounds like tv size. what do you do on there?

u recommended the 24
coming from a 21" inch may be mind blowing. 23" more of what i was looking for. hm the smaller models have 82% color gamut, 8ms...


BUT the 24" IPS monitor with "6 ms response time, superb color reproduction and 102% color gamut with factory-calibrated presets." sounds pretty glorious
hehe
lol who was the one who posted about the BS of tech specs? you?
EE (hats
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
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Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

well after looking around and updating myself i think ..wow have monitors changed fast
i know now my 2006 lcd isnt the best for photography..
looking at IPS monitors
anyone use one?
http://www.amazon.com/UltraSharp-2209WA … amp;sr=1-3
Yep, I have the Ultrasharp 2711, its a beautiful beast.  You probably dont need that big, I've heard the 24 inch model is good too.
wow are you on it right now? that sounds like tv size. what do you do on there?

u recommended the 24
coming from a 21" inch may be mind blowing. 23" more of what i was looking for. hm the smaller models have 82% color gamut, 8ms...


BUT the 24" IPS monitor with "6 ms response time, superb color reproduction and 102% color gamut with factory-calibrated presets." sounds pretty glorious
hehe
Nah its at home. Writing this on my 2 inch phone screen . I use it for everything, the only problem is every other screen seems too small now. I'd go for it. Just wait a bit, it goes on sale every month... Plus dell coupons = cheap
last week one of my stubborn friends kept repeating over and over "it's all about the contrast ratio" when you know it's gotta be more! lol

i read up on that 24" and errr it has alot of upset owners with tinting problem. http://hubpages.com/hub/Dell-U2410-U231 … ing-Issues

located this one. looks win.  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 … n_LCD.html
Kmar
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Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

last week one of my stubborn friends kept repeating over and over "it's all about the contrast ratio" when you know it's gotta be more! lol

i read up on that 24" and errr it has alot of upset owners with tinting problem. http://hubpages.com/hub/Dell-U2410-U231 … ing-Issues

located this one. looks win.  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 … n_LCD.html
No not "all about contrast ration" (with tv's at least). It's true that contrast ratio is what gives a screen "pop", or depth. However dynamically the numbers can be manipulated. I bought my Sony XBR because the specified contrast ratio was true. For instance some tv's/monitors are able to completely turn off pixels, and while that is going to give you a deep black, it doesn't mean that every shade in between will be represented.

.. again in relation to TV's. I think most of it applies to monitors as well. Just don't get caught up on contrast ratio .. those numbers are sometimes thrown out there for marketing, and are not a true representation of quality. Kinda like megapixels are often inflated to entice amateur-new-to-the-game photographers.
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Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6455|Winland

Morpheus wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Morpheus wrote:


indeed. it uses TRS jacks, wired in a 'through' configuration - when there is nothing in the jack, it passes the signal through to the other terminal. If there is a plug in the jack, it sends the signal down the tip, and expects a return signal on the sleeve... it is better for exactly the reason you mentioned - automatic switching - why else would you put something in if you didn't want to use an 'effect'?

Because I want to split the output?
Ah!. Ok, well, then in that case, you only insert the plug to the 'sleeve' connector, aka the 'first click'. The signal is still passed through the jack terminals, but also down the plug





do you need a block diagram?
No, I understand how it works. The point I'm making is that TRS connectors aren't exactly the most common interface in home audio applications, and would have to be adapted to RCA somehow. Switched RCA plugs would be great, but they aren't very common at all.
TRS, especially in an insert situation, are no different than RCA (signal wise), and you can find plenty of places to purchase cables, if you can't make them yourself.
That's not my point. Signals don't matter, it's just a connector. What matters is that adapters will add unnecessary cost for the manufacturer and inconvenience for the customer. Using RCA connectors is a much more sensible solution than using adapters like that.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
.Sup
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TRS is a balanced connector and RCA is not. TRS or unbalanced TS is most common in studio equipment.
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Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
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.Sup wrote:

TRS is a balanced connector and RCA is not. TRS or unbalanced TS is most common in studio equipment.
TRS can be used as a balanced connector, but nothing says that it must be. For instance, stereo headphones with (a single) TRS plug/s aren't balanced. That's completely beside the point.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2010-12-15 06:47:06)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Morpheus
This shit still going?
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.Sup wrote:

TRS is a balanced connector and RCA is not. TRS or unbalanced TS is most common in studio equipment.
"Balanced" really has nothing to do with connectors.... although you can't balance RCA or a TS cable.
But in an insert cable, the tip is wired as an un-balanced send, the ring is set for an unbalanced return and the sleeve is a common ground.

And freezer, I'm trying to say that the "sensible" connector is only an arbitrary choice made by some Radio Corporation of America to connect their fancy new phonographs players.
EE (hats
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6455|Winland

Morpheus wrote:

.Sup wrote:

TRS is a balanced connector and RCA is not. TRS or unbalanced TS is most common in studio equipment.
"Balanced" really has nothing to do with connectors.... although you can't balance RCA or a TS cable.
But in an insert cable, the tip is wired as an un-balanced send, the ring is set for an unbalanced return and the sleeve is a common ground.

And freezer, I'm trying to say that the "sensible" connector is only an arbitrary choice made by some Radio Corporation of America to connect their fancy new phonographs players.
Oh, that I know. If it were up to me, we'd all be using 5-pin DIN plugs for everything.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6257|The Mitten

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

.Sup wrote:

TRS is a balanced connector and RCA is not. TRS or unbalanced TS is most common in studio equipment.
"Balanced" really has nothing to do with connectors.... although you can't balance RCA or a TS cable.
But in an insert cable, the tip is wired as an un-balanced send, the ring is set for an unbalanced return and the sleeve is a common ground.

And freezer, I'm trying to say that the "sensible" connector is only an arbitrary choice made by some Radio Corporation of America to connect their fancy new phonographs players.
Oh, that I know. If it were up to me, we'd all be using 5-pin DIN plugs for everything.
Everything?

But.... we better take that convo to another thread
EE (hats
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Ilocano
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Morpheus wrote:

But.... we better take that convo to another thread
Good idea.  I was about to seriously cut things...
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Nikon D7000 with Nikon 18mm-200mm Lens
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Computer_Guy wrote:

http://www.camerasdirect.com.au/wcsstor … 82x352.jpg

Nikon D7000 with Nikon 18mm-200mm Lens
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i7 950 ($200)
Gigabyte GA-X58-USB3 LGA 1366 X58 ATX Mobo ($180)
Corsair XMS 6GB DDR3 2000 ($150)
Noctua NH-U12DX 1366 120mm SSO CPU Cooler ($75)


For a grand total of just over $600.  Not too bad I guess. 

I'm gonna recycle a GTX 260 Black Edition into it at first, and get a newer video card in the next few months if it seems necessary (which it probably won't...).
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Benzin
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I think the 260 should serve you pretty well.
Ilocano
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ThinkPad Edge 14" $380 + tax - $150 credit.

AMD Athlon II X2 Dual-Core P340
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 US English
14.0" HD Vibrant View, Midnight Black Glossy
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
Keyboard US English
UltraNav without fingerprint reader
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Ilocano wrote:

ThinkPad Edge 14" $380 + tax - $150 credit.

AMD Athlon II X2 Dual-Core P340
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 US English
14.0" HD Vibrant View, Midnight Black Glossy
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
Keyboard US English
UltraNav without fingerprint reader
Low Light Sensitive 2.0MP Camera
500 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
DVD Recordable 8x Max Dual Layer
6 cell 2.2Ah Li-Ion Battery
Country Pack North America with Line cord & 65W AC adapter
Bluetooth w/ antenna
ThinkPad bgn Wireless
Language Pack US English


Good enough for my 12 year old.
Nice deal! USD, right?
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6925

alexb wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

ThinkPad Edge 14" $380 + tax - $150 credit.

AMD Athlon II X2 Dual-Core P340
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 US English
14.0" HD Vibrant View, Midnight Black Glossy
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
Keyboard US English
UltraNav without fingerprint reader
Low Light Sensitive 2.0MP Camera
500 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
DVD Recordable 8x Max Dual Layer
6 cell 2.2Ah Li-Ion Battery
Country Pack North America with Line cord & 65W AC adapter
Bluetooth w/ antenna
ThinkPad bgn Wireless
Language Pack US English


Good enough for my 12 year old.
Nice deal! USD, right?
Yup. 

Check this site:  http://marketplace.mastercard.com/overw … ource/TCNB

Lenovo offer was $150 off $300 purchase.  A deal from 11/29/2010.

Another offer was from the Microsoft Store for $200 off a $300 purchase.

You have to be fast to get the offers, but there are "ways" to help.

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