At least it wasn't your mobo like what happened to mealexb wrote:
Turns out the RAM that I ordered is DOA... great, now I have to start an RMA.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure its the RAM and not the mobo itself that was causing all the memory errors.TravisC555 wrote:
At least it wasn't your mobo like what happened to mealexb wrote:
Turns out the RAM that I ordered is DOA... great, now I have to start an RMA.
I shipped the RAM today, will arrive Saturday so I'm going to be computer-less for about a week... ugh.
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Ya I know, was just talking about the amount of hassle involved in RMAing a mobo.
Click me!Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2010-11-01 09:27:16)
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6835708016
Because Gigabyte was too cheap enough to provide a MOSFET heatsink...
Because Gigabyte was too cheap enough to provide a MOSFET heatsink...
That price is like legal robbery. :0alexb wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835708016
Because Gigabyte was too cheap enough to provide a MOSFET heatsink...
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It is, Panzer. Unfortunately its the only heatsink I could really find for my motherboard (GA-870A-UD3).GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
That price is like legal robbery. :0alexb wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835708016
Because Gigabyte was too cheap enough to provide a MOSFET heatsink...
Dude, that heatsink won't do you any good at all. First off, your board has a metric ton of MOS-FETs, which means they'll run quite cool by design. Second, you just stick the sink on the plastic casing of them. It has incredibly high thermal resistance, so you aren't going to be conducting much heat at all onto the heatsink.alexb wrote:
It is, Panzer. Unfortunately its the only heatsink I could really find for my motherboard (GA-870A-UD3).GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
That price is like legal robbery. :0alexb wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835708016
Because Gigabyte was too cheap enough to provide a MOSFET heatsink...
I'd cancel that order if I were you.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
I have had boards without mosfet heatsink and added aftermarket ones on them. Pretty big drops on temperatures, would hardly call that waste.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Dude, that heatsink won't do you any good at all. First off, your board has a metric ton of MOS-FETs, which means they'll run quite cool by design. Second, you just stick the sink on the plastic casing of them. It has incredibly high thermal resistance, so you aren't going to be conducting much heat at all onto the heatsink.alexb wrote:
It is, Panzer. Unfortunately its the only heatsink I could really find for my motherboard (GA-870A-UD3).GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
That price is like legal robbery. :0
I'd cancel that order if I were you.
And they really don't run that cool despite there is a lot of them, there is a reason why almost all boards have heatsinks over them these days.
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That depends on the MOS-FETs on the board, and every Gigabyte board I've tampered with the last couple of years has had very well-suited MOS-FETs for the job. I actually haven't seen a single failure due to the MOS-FETs overheating or running out of spec on one (unlike ASUS). I'll be very surprised if adding a MOS-FET heatsink to that board will do any good at all, aside from wasting space and money, especially if he isn't going to be doing any extreme overclocking with a non-air cooler.GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
I have had boards without mosfet heatsink and added aftermarket ones on them. Pretty big drops on temperatures, would hardly call that waste.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Dude, that heatsink won't do you any good at all. First off, your board has a metric ton of MOS-FETs, which means they'll run quite cool by design. Second, you just stick the sink on the plastic casing of them. It has incredibly high thermal resistance, so you aren't going to be conducting much heat at all onto the heatsink.alexb wrote:
It is, Panzer. Unfortunately its the only heatsink I could really find for my motherboard (GA-870A-UD3).
I'd cancel that order if I were you.
And they really don't run that cool despite there is a lot of them, there is a reason why almost all boards have heatsinks over them these days.
Regarding your temperature drop due to addition of a MOS-FET heatsink, how did you measure that, and under what circumstances? I find it quite hard to imagine the MOS-FETs on a well-designed board running too hot unless you're running the board out of spec.
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The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Used external sensor, slammed on the mosfets. Try one of these newer quad cores and you understand why there are heatsinks on the PWM.
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The point I'm making is that you don't need to even consider adding an external heat sink on your VRM if your board is of reasonable quality, and run it at least somewhere near spec. For example, slamming a power-hungry quad-core monster into a board that's only designed to take 65W duals is a bad idea to begin with, and extra cooling won't be a good long-term solution.GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Used external sensor, slammed on the mosfets. Try one of these newer quad cores and you understand why there are heatsinks on the PWM.
Assuming that Alexb has actually measured the temperature of the MOS-FETs, and concluded that they're running too hot (about 100°C on the tab), he shouldn't be buying a heatsink (to put on the absolutely least thermally conductive place possible, mind you), he should be buying a new motherboard, since his current one obviously is a flawed or improper design for the application.
Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2010-11-02 02:30:42)
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Fair enough. I agree that if you needed more heavy duty PWM in first place (or better cooling for overclocking or such), should have spent that 20 bucks more then for the next model instead of getting aftermarket heatsink.
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Bought a Wii, a second controller and Wii fit plus for the GF. It was her idea, so I didn't commit a huge mistake.
Bought F1 2010 on the PS3 for me. I'm gonna need a wheel if I ever want to get beyond medium difficulty.
Bought F1 2010 on the PS3 for me. I'm gonna need a wheel if I ever want to get beyond medium difficulty.
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
I read a review in which they tested the temperatures with an overclocked Phenom II 555 at 3.8Ghz and it hit almost 90C. Bear in mind I'm not only going to be unlocking to a Quad core and also trying to hit a pretty high clock speed, so I'd figure I'd get a cooler.Freezer7Pro wrote:
The point I'm making is that you don't need to even consider adding an external heat sink on your VRM if your board is of reasonable quality, and run it at least somewhere near spec. For example, slamming a power-hungry quad-core monster into a board that's only designed to take 65W duals is a bad idea to begin with, and extra cooling won't be a good long-term solution.GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Used external sensor, slammed on the mosfets. Try one of these newer quad cores and you understand why there are heatsinks on the PWM.
Assuming that Alexb has actually measured the temperature of the MOS-FETs, and concluded that they're running too hot (about 100°C on the tab), he shouldn't be buying a heatsink (to put on the absolutely least thermally conductive place possible, mind you), he should be buying a new motherboard, since his current one obviously is a flawed or improper design for the application.
Also Freezer, the MOSFET's that I'm placing these on don't have that plastic casing, they're just open.
I found this image conveniently on Google. As you can see, this board has the slots for the cooler to attach right in.
And one other thing Freezer, have you ever experienced the NB/SB heatsinks feeling wobbly when you touch them? They're stable when they're sitting on their own, and they seem to have contact. I thought these things were held into place with thermal adhesive...
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Probably gonna buy a Sony Erricson Xperia X10 on Thursday.. £25, 300 minutes, unlimited texts, 500MB, free handset. Thoughts?
Last edited by Finray (2010-11-02 08:30:10)
No. Get an HTC Android cell phone. Sony is lagging seriously behind in the Android game.Finray wrote:
Probably gonna buy a Sony Erricson Xperia X10 on Thursday.. £25, 300 minutes, unlimited texts, 500MB, free handset. Thoughts?
Have HTC fixed their hardware in the newer generations?CapnNismo wrote:
No. Get an HTC Android cell phone. Sony is lagging seriously behind in the Android game.Finray wrote:
Probably gonna buy a Sony Erricson Xperia X10 on Thursday.. £25, 300 minutes, unlimited texts, 500MB, free handset. Thoughts?
When I bought my Samsung smartphone they were all made of the cheapest plastic that broke if you even answered your phone
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
I'd rather not take advice from fanboys.CapnNismo wrote:
No. Get an HTC Android cell phone. Sony is lagging seriously behind in the Android game.Finray wrote:
Probably gonna buy a Sony Erricson Xperia X10 on Thursday.. £25, 300 minutes, unlimited texts, 500MB, free handset. Thoughts?
Decided to go for it
I'm quite happy with my HTC EVO.Finray wrote:
I'd rather not take advice from fanboys.CapnNismo wrote:
No. Get an HTC Android cell phone. Sony is lagging seriously behind in the Android game.Finray wrote:
Probably gonna buy a Sony Erricson Xperia X10 on Thursday.. £25, 300 minutes, unlimited texts, 500MB, free handset. Thoughts?
Good on ya, Lucien, you're gonna love it!
HTC, however, has Sense across all their phones, the most up to date versions of Android and generally much faster hardware. The X10 is lagging behind in a big way and the X8 models will get updates much later than the bigger X10 (quoting Sony right there, I am).
I'm not a fanboi at all of HTC phones, just Android. The Samsung Galaxy S is also a pretty nice phone. My two friends with the Milestone have been complaining about theirs a lot lately.
Sony X10 is still running 1.6, IIRC. That or they just came out with their 2.1 or 2.2 update in the past month and I missed reading about it.Finray wrote:
I'd rather not take advice from fanboys.CapnNismo wrote:
No. Get an HTC Android cell phone. Sony is lagging seriously behind in the Android game.Finray wrote:
Probably gonna buy a Sony Erricson Xperia X10 on Thursday.. £25, 300 minutes, unlimited texts, 500MB, free handset. Thoughts?
HTC, however, has Sense across all their phones, the most up to date versions of Android and generally much faster hardware. The X10 is lagging behind in a big way and the X8 models will get updates much later than the bigger X10 (quoting Sony right there, I am).
I'm not a fanboi at all of HTC phones, just Android. The Samsung Galaxy S is also a pretty nice phone. My two friends with the Milestone have been complaining about theirs a lot lately.
Yeah the X10 is still on 1.6. Apparently 2.2 is coming soon though. I don't mind waiting, cause the demo I played with in the shop seemed pretty snappy as it is. I'd rather get a Sony Ericsson, I don't like the look of the HTCs, and they seem to be a lot more costly in comparison. Plus, there's not a big range of HTCs here, seems a bit less popular than the US.
Hmm I know a guy on the inside (Okay he works for Tesco mobile) who says he can get me a staff deal on the Nokia N8.. i r confus.
I've exceeded my 500mb mobile internet cap 6 times in 6 months, it's a wank limit and from October onwards Vodafone are charging £5 for going over it as well. 3 have a bad reputation in the uk but for the whole 3g thing they're at the top, their pricing ain't bad either. Their "unlimited" internet is 1GB too.
Oh and get an Android.
Oh and get an Android.
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