JahManRed
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FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Saying military options aren't off the table isn't the same thing as saying you intend to use them.
What the govt says and what the govt intends are not necessarily the same.
Its just as likely the US agenda is to attack Iran and Iran's nuclear program is an excuse to attack, same as Iraq's supposed WMD were a ruse to justify an invasion.
I'm guessing the agenda is to grab the oil and wipe out any threats to Israel, the evidence comes later.
You know there are uses for tinfoil OTHER than making hats, right?
Evidence was fabricated in the run up to the Iraqi war.  The UN, British and American peoples were all lied to. Its well documented.

Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet later wrote that Cheney's statement "went well beyond what our own analysis could support."

Bush: "The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year."

Wonder if the, attack on the UK claim, had anything to do with the UK's biggest expert on Iraqi weapons, who went against Blair and Bush's claims turning up dead in a field?

Bush, to Polish TV: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories."

Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda."

Richard Clarke, President Bush's chief counterterrorism adviser, has written that President Bush asked him on September 12 to "see if Saddam did this. See if he is linked in any way. . ." Clarke said that he responded by saying, "Absolutely, we will look . . . again," and then adding, "But you know, we have looked several times for state sponsorship of al Qaeda and not found any real linkages to Iraq."

What you have above is a few examples of the reckless unsubstantiated "facts" the administration was throwing about in the run up to Iraqi invasion. These are coming from men with agendas who seam to ignore the experts they employ to advise them. There were no WMD, there was no chemical attack ready to hit UK in 45min's there are no proven links between Saddam and Al Queda (Saddam was Infidel to them)
Yet when the same bullshit the same reckless statements are being flung around with regards to Iran, its all 100% true in your mind and anyone who questions the administration is a crazy conspiracy theorists.
..teddy..jimmy
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I say get Russia and Iran to destroy each other. Kill two birds with one stone.
Dilbert_X
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Yet when the same bullshit the same reckless statements are being flung around with regards to Iran, its all 100% true in your mind and anyone who questions the administration is a crazy conspiracy theorists.
Don't worry about FEOS, he believes anything the govt tells him.
Fuck Israel
13rin
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JahManRed wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


What the govt says and what the govt intends are not necessarily the same.
Its just as likely the US agenda is to attack Iran and Iran's nuclear program is an excuse to attack, same as Iraq's supposed WMD were a ruse to justify an invasion.
I'm guessing the agenda is to grab the oil and wipe out any threats to Israel, the evidence comes later.
You know there are uses for tinfoil OTHER than making hats, right?
Evidence was fabricated in the run up to the Iraqi war.  The UN, British and American peoples were all lied to. Its well...  ...reckless statements are being flung around with regards to Iran, its all 100% true in your mind and anyone who questions the administration is a crazy conspiracy theorists.
Sorry man, but Billy boy and company was slinging the same stuff years earlier.  If anyone was misleading the American people it was Saddam.
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

FEOS wrote:

You know there are uses for tinfoil OTHER than making hats, right?
Evidence was fabricated in the run up to the Iraqi war.  The UN, British and American peoples were all lied to. Its well...  ...reckless statements are being flung around with regards to Iran, its all 100% true in your mind and anyone who questions the administration is a crazy conspiracy theorists.
Sorry man, but Billy boy and company was slinging the same stuff years earlier.  If anyone was misleading the American people it was Saddam.
He even went so far as to attack .. who was fabricating the evidence in 1998? (See signature)
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/ … inton.html

Under the Clinton philosophy we would have already bombed Iran for not cooperating.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Vax
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Yeah the typical claptrap, "bush lied"

If Bush and Cheney Lied, so did all of these people.

Last edited by Vax (2008-05-23 12:11:35)

dan673
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Vax wrote:

Yeah the typical claptrap, "bush lied"

If Bush and Cheney Lied, so did all of these people.

QFT, those hypocritical sons of bitches.
konfusion
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Yet when the same bullshit the same reckless statements are being flung around with regards to Iran, its all 100% true in your mind and anyone who questions the administration is a crazy conspiracy theorists.
Don't worry about FEOS, he believes anything the govt tells him.
I disagree. He actually tends to be a lot more sceptic than some republicans - he's a lot more balanced.
Iran is dangerous, but I'm not sure about WMDs. They definitely need to be held in check, because who knows what they're up to. I think Iran has always been a greater threat than Iraq.
Mind you, about 3 or 4 years ago I didn't really know anything about either, so I had no real opinion before the war started.

-konfusion
FEOS
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Kmarion wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:


Evidence was fabricated in the run up to the Iraqi war.  The UN, British and American peoples were all lied to. Its well...  ...reckless statements are being flung around with regards to Iran, its all 100% true in your mind and anyone who questions the administration is a crazy conspiracy theorists.
Sorry man, but Billy boy and company was slinging the same stuff years earlier.  If anyone was misleading the American people it was Saddam.
He even went so far as to attack .. who was fabricating the evidence in 1998? (See signature)
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/ … inton.html

Under the Clinton philosophy we would have already bombed Iran for not cooperating.
Don't go and bother them with facts...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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JahManRed
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FEOS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:


Sorry man, but Billy boy and company was slinging the same stuff years earlier.  If anyone was misleading the American people it was Saddam.
He even went so far as to attack .. who was fabricating the evidence in 1998? (See signature)
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/ … inton.html

Under the Clinton philosophy we would have already bombed Iran for not cooperating.
Don't go and bother them with facts...

JahManRed wrote:

There is a middle east agenda which transcends political parties. The strategists, lobbyists and bankers will make it happen regardless of public opinion, morality or common sense.
Magpie
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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He even went so far as to attack .. who was fabricating the evidence in 1998?
Saddam possibly did have WMD or programs in 1998, maybe he didn't
By 2003 they were dismantled and gone, as the pre-invasion inspectors determined.
There is a middle east agenda which transcends political parties. The strategists, lobbyists and bankers will make it happen regardless of public opinion, morality or common sense.
Exactly, but the Republicans are more easily manipulated.
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6701|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

He even went so far as to attack .. who was fabricating the evidence in 1998?
Saddam possibly did have WMD or programs in 1998, maybe he didn't
By 2003 they were dismantled and gone, as the pre-invasion inspectors determined.
Pre-invasion inspectors never determined that, as they never received the cooperation necessary to determine it. It was determined after the invasion.

But the strike was due to his lack of cooperation with weapons inspectors...the same behavior he was showing prior to the Iraq invasion. But it was OK in Clinton's case because you don't hate him.

Dilbert_X wrote:

There is a middle east agenda which transcends political parties. The strategists, lobbyists and bankers will make it happen regardless of public opinion, morality or common sense.
Exactly, but the Republicans are more easily manipulated.
Because the Democrats in Congress didn't vote to authorize the war, did they?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Benzin
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Dilbert, your posts are so full of ignorance I do not even know where to begin ...
NantanCochise
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Bullshit topic. Another FAIL thread.

Last edited by NantanCochise (2008-05-24 07:18:14)

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