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of course having children is mainly an egoistic thing. But since that deccision also has positive ramnifications for the state ( you know, future tax payers and whatnot ) it makes sense to give benefits to those who contribute in such a way.

and of course people can chose to adopt. Which is why I said that I support financial benefits for everyone who choses to raise a child, wether it'll be in a traditional marriage, as a single parent, or through adoption.

And I do hope you have children one day. From what I have heard, it is truly a great experience. If you can afford it...

ZombieVampire! wrote:

You could achieve the same effect by allowing more refugees in.

I really don't want to sound unsensitive or racist here, but the problem with refugees or immigrants usually is that they often lack sufficient education to be able to really contribute to their host nation, at least in the first generation.

Of course, there is an IT engineer from India here and there, but from my experience, the majority of immigrants tend to be a burden on the social systems, rather than becoming taxpayers. I believe our american friends can tell you all about that.

I know, I am generalizing, but let's face it, those poor africans that try to cross the mediterranean sea into the EU, they don't have an education, they don't speak english, let alone german. They are simply not going to be able to contribute in a way that would justify the costs they cause in the social systems for a generation or more.

We need small children, which we can put through our education systems with reasonable chances of success, and which in turn will be fit for the challenges of the future.

providing tax incentives for those willing to help with that, either through regular child birth or adoption, is a no-brainer, I'd say.

ZombieVampire! wrote:

You could achieve the same effect by allowing more refugees in.

There are 2 problems with this:

1) Disease

2) Crime

Disease is usually highly prevalent in areas with refugees.  Crime is an issue because most crises involve criminals who pose as refugees later who have pathological tendencies for crime.

In short, we've got enough poor, sick people as it is.  There's an endless flow coming from Mexico.  We need more rich and educated immigrants, not refugees.

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

There are 2 problems with this:

1) Disease

2) Crime

Disease is usually highly prevalent in areas with refugees.  Crime is an issue because most crises involve criminals who pose as refugees later who have pathological tendencies for crime.

In short, we've got enough poor, sick people as it is.  There's an endless flow coming from Mexico.  We need more rich and educated immigrants, not refugees.

Both of which have more to do with economic/social factors than ethnicity.  That is:

If you support refugees properly and help them find jobs, they become a boon to your economy.

Agreed, but again...  we get all the poor we need from Mexico.  We don't need anymore than that.

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Uh...........ok................what does that have to do with the conversation at hand?

Like any economic plan, there is a "sweet spot" in terms of economic returns.

Currently, we get all of our needed cheap labor from one source: Mexico.  We get so many people from them that we can't keep track of all of them.  Yet, we have tons of people coming in from other countries too doing mostly the same unskilled work.  There are a limited number of unskilled jobs, and when you figure in our own native-born unskilled people, there's very much an excess of unskilled labor here.

We need to invest more in education, but there are limits to how many technical programs we can set up.  We would be best off only letting in skilled and wealthy people from countries other than Mexico, because they provide more than enough unskilled labor alone.

So, as you said, with the right education investments and job placements, immigrants can be a boon, but there are limits to how many you can have entering your country at once and still receive an economic boom from it.