blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6647
A new bill in the US Congress would force retailers to card kids attempting to buy video games bearing M-for-Mature or AO-for-Adults Only ratings.

In addition to the identification-checking requirement, Reps. Jim Matheson (D-Utah) and Lee Terry (R-Neb.)'s Video Game Ratings Enforcement Act, introduced on Wednesday, would also require stores to post explanations of what the ratings, devised by the industry-backed Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB), actually mean, according to a press release. A copy of the bill's text was not immediately available on Thursday.The ESRB's ratings definitions say that games with an M-for-Mature rating "may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language." Those with an AO-for-Adults Only rating "may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity" and are recommended only for people age 18 or older.

Some stores already attempt to verify the age of game purchasers. For example, Wal-Mart says on its Web site that it already posts information about the ESRB ratings and has programmed its cash registers to automatically prompt sales clerks to check the age of the customer when M-rated games are scanned. GameStop also checks IDs before selling M-rated games.

"Video game ratings supposedly exist to protect children from material that is created for adults, but there is no consequence for irresponsible retailers who repeatedly sell these games to children," PTC president Tim Winter said in a statement. "The importance of this issue cannot be overstated when considering the array of games that include content too deplorable and disgusting to describe in detail."

However, previous legislative attempts to limit children's access to violent or sexually themed video games have not met with much success in the courts. Earlier this year, a federal appeals court upheld a lower court's decision to block a Minnesota law that would have imposed up to a $25 fine on minors younger than 17 caught buying or renting video games rated "M" for mature or "AO" for adults-only, citing, among other things, First Amendment concerns.

The Entertainment Software Association, which represents the video game industry, said that it shares the politicians' goal of ensuring that children have parental approval before playing certain games, but disagreed with their proposed method of doing so.

"Empowering parents, not enacting unconstitutional legislation, is the best way to control the games children play," said ESA President Michael Gallagher.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6190608.ht … ws;title;7
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6623|London, England
Good. It's rated M, which means if you're under 17. Fuck off. That's how it is here. 'Cept it's 18 not M, we realise that there's no difference between 17/M and 18/AO (cmon, how dumb is that)
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|6845|Reykjavík, Iceland.
As long as they don't censor the games themselves, this is perfectly fine, seeing as I'm already 17 and I look like I'm 19 or something

You are only asked for ID if you LOOK like you are under 18 here if you want to buy a 18+ game
jaymz9350
Member
+54|6579
This doesn't bother me (though i'm plenty old enough to buy them).  I don't necessarily agree with some of the ratings given out for games and would probably let my kids play M rated games before they are 17, I would have the choice if they could play them.

and to all the kids that whine about this,  because of dumbass kids I get carded to buy canned air and spray paint so deal with it.

Last edited by jaymz9350 (2008-05-13 11:41:34)

S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6520|Montucky
...but you can still go into a movie theater and watch a Rated R movie, or go to blockbuster and rent a Rated R movie and rent the video game you can't buy at WalMart because its Rated M.



and to think violent video games is a fucking number one concern, they need to introduce a Parenting Bill instead.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|5916|Glendale, CA
Fuck them, I have Call of Duty 4, and I'm 16.  I wish the government would get out of our lives.
FlemishHCmaniac
Member
+147|6414|Belgium
Hurray for PEGI's advisory function only.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6655
Good for them, although OP don't mislead us with "new game-restrictions bill"
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Bulldogz
Blacking Out the Friction
+32|6001|Rexburg, Idaho
Good, I'm sick of screeching 10-year olds yelling at me in GTA4 because I crashed my car into theirs.

Seriously, though, if and when this passes, I could care less. I'll be eighteen (less than a month) and can buy whatever game I want.
r2zoo
Knowledge is power, guard it well
+126|6598|Michigan, USA

FallenMorgan wrote:

Fuck them, I have Call of Duty 4, and I'm 16.  I wish the government would get out of our lives.
I wish you kids would quit crying.  How damn hard is it to get a parent to buy it for you, or wait till your old enough?

The AO vs M thing stands because violence is what prompts 90% of all M rated titles to that rating while AO is almost always due to graphic nudity pushing towards pornography, and in America, you need to be 18+ to purchase pornographic materials.

To those saying just go rent them and what not, keep in mind when your parent makes the account, they need to check wether they allow you rent R rated movies or M rated games, at least a few years back when my mom set our two memberships up thats how it was. 

Good idea if you ask me, goes along with the carding for alcohol.  Point is, just wait, people act like the goverment is denying you a given right, only people who cry about this is those underage.  Im old enough to buy them, so why should I get carded because of the kiddies?
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|6744|FUCK UBISOFT

My friend tried to buy TF2 at the mall and they carded him...
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HurricaИe
Banned
+877|5963|Washington DC
That's right folks. Video games are as destructive as alcohol and tobacco and firearms.

Good job Congress, you fucking backwards tools. No wonder nothing gets done there; they care more about policing video games than fixing actual issues. Ironically, the over-18s are the ones who voted these tools into office.

Miggle that's cause of store policy. They're scared that if they sell an M game to someone under 17 and the kid goes on a Columbine rampage, the parents will blame the game and the store instead of their own, fail-tastic selves.

Last edited by HurricaИe (2008-05-13 13:28:43)

The#1Spot
Member
+105|6542|byah

blademaster wrote:

A new bill in the US Congress would force retailers to card kids attempting to buy video games bearing M-for-Mature or AO-for-Adults Only ratings.

In addition to the identification-checking requirement, Reps. Jim Matheson (D-Utah) and Lee Terry (R-Neb.)'s Video Game Ratings Enforcement Act, introduced on Wednesday, would also require stores to post explanations of what the ratings, devised by the industry-backed Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB), actually mean, according to a press release. A copy of the bill's text was not immediately available on Thursday.The ESRB's ratings definitions say that games with an M-for-Mature rating "may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language." Those with an AO-for-Adults Only rating "may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity" and are recommended only for people age 18 or older.

Some stores already attempt to verify the age of game purchasers. For example, Wal-Mart says on its Web site that it already posts information about the ESRB ratings and has programmed its cash registers to automatically prompt sales clerks to check the age of the customer when M-rated games are scanned. GameStop also checks IDs before selling M-rated games.

"Video game ratings supposedly exist to protect children from material that is created for adults, but there is no consequence for irresponsible retailers who repeatedly sell these games to children," PTC president Tim Winter said in a statement. "The importance of this issue cannot be overstated when considering the array of games that include content too deplorable and disgusting to describe in detail."

However, previous legislative attempts to limit children's access to violent or sexually themed video games have not met with much success in the courts. Earlier this year, a federal appeals court upheld a lower court's decision to block a Minnesota law that would have imposed up to a $25 fine on minors younger than 17 caught buying or renting video games rated "M" for mature or "AO" for adults-only, citing, among other things, First Amendment concerns.

The Entertainment Software Association, which represents the video game industry, said that it shares the politicians' goal of ensuring that children have parental approval before playing certain games, but disagreed with their proposed method of doing so.

"Empowering parents, not enacting unconstitutional legislation, is the best way to control the games children play," said ESA President Michael Gallagher.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6190608.ht … ws;title;7
All I see is blah blah blah we found an another excuse to take your money with fines blah blah we will cover it up with using the term "under age game purchases". If you are desperate enough just pay a guy 5$ to pretend to be your dad or use a friends dad if your parents wont get it for you.
howler_27
Member
+90|6689
Yep, it's sure nice to see that our government is pinning down the real problems that we elected them to take care of.  Let's just throw the war, social security, medical aid, eductation, crime, immigration, and the gas issues on the back burner.  The real problem with this country is the lack of a rating system for video games.  Oh wait...didn't we already cover that?  Congratulations to you smacktards on the hill, a day late and a trillion dollars short as usual.
BeerzGod
Hooray Beer!
+94|6572|United States
I thought just about every place that sold games already carded kids... plus I've always seen a chart hanging somewhere near video games being sold that explained the ratings system.
N00bkilla55404
Voices are calling...
+136|5933|Somewhere out in Space
Pfft, i bought FEAR 2-3 years ago by myself and i was 13, are they really that fucking stupid? 

Another reason to get out of America while you still can.  I'll be waiting for you guys.
.:ronin:.|Patton
Respekct dad i love u always
+946|6811|Marathon, Florida Keys
Good: Can play grown up games without little kids yelling in the mic
Bad: Further pussifying our society.
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Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6470
I get most of my games over the internets using cards of the gift variety. No one asks my age.
N00bkilla55404
Voices are calling...
+136|5933|Somewhere out in Space

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

Good: Can play grown up games without little kids yelling in the mic
Bad: Further pussifying our society.
The little kids yelling in the mic are lulzy, its what makes most games playable now.  P.S. try raging them, you will fall out of your seat laughing.
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|5967|London, England

No, XBL headsets should be rated M
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N00bkilla55404
Voices are calling...
+136|5933|Somewhere out in Space

Mutantsteak wrote:

No, XBL headsets should be rated M
QFT
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6394|Southern California

Mutantsteak wrote:

No, XBL headsets should be rated M


Honestly, not allowing kids under 17 to buy games rated for people over 17 sounds about right to me?

HurricaИe wrote:

That's right folks. Video games are as destructive as alcohol and tobacco and firearms.

Good job Congress, you fucking backwards tools. No wonder nothing gets done there; they care more about policing video games than fixing actual issues. Ironically, the over-18s are the ones who voted these tools into office.

Miggle that's cause of store policy. They're scared that if they sell an M game to someone under 17 and the kid goes on a Columbine rampage, the parents will blame the game and the store instead of their own, fail-tastic selves.
Cry. They are not saying you cannot play them, they are just issuing a warning to parents that they should check out the contents of what their kids are watching. I support this 100%. If they let the kids buy it the decision isn't up to the parents...you would just buy it and hide it. While thats what I did as a kid, and it is a time honored tradition... Technically parents should have the right (and opportunity)  to police what their kids do (or at least the system should be set up to facilitate this).


BeerzGod wrote:

I thought just about every place that sold games already carded kids... plus I've always seen a chart hanging somewhere near video games being sold that explained the ratings system.
Yeah, honestly I thought it was a law too. I guess its currently like movies: Theaters were being threatened with having their rules legislated, so they decided as a group to make it policy...rather then having it made law. They likely have just been doing a decent job policing themselfs so that the issue doesn't come up and they can be responsible to themselves rather then the government.

Last edited by VicktorVauhn (2008-05-13 16:41:39)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6768|UK
Wow, I assumed this was already law in the states. I guess not. Its not like you can go see a 18 movie if your not 18 so why should you be able to buy a 18 game when your not 18?
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|5963|Washington DC

VicktorVauhn wrote:

Mutantsteak wrote:

No, XBL headsets should be rated M


Honestly, not allowing kids under 17 to buy games rated for people over 17 sounds about right to me?

HurricaИe wrote:

That's right folks. Video games are as destructive as alcohol and tobacco and firearms.

Good job Congress, you fucking backwards tools. No wonder nothing gets done there; they care more about policing video games than fixing actual issues. Ironically, the over-18s are the ones who voted these tools into office.

Miggle that's cause of store policy. They're scared that if they sell an M game to someone under 17 and the kid goes on a Columbine rampage, the parents will blame the game and the store instead of their own, fail-tastic selves.
Cry. They are not saying you cannot play them, they are just issuing a warning to parents that they should check out the contents of what their kids are watching. I support this 100%. If they let the kids buy it the decision isn't up to the parents...you would just buy it and hide it. While thats what I did as a kid, and it is a time honored tradition... Technically parents should have the right (and opportunity)  to police what their kids do (or at least the system should be set up to facilitate this).


BeerzGod wrote:

I thought just about every place that sold games already carded kids... plus I've always seen a chart hanging somewhere near video games being sold that explained the ratings system.
Yeah, honestly I thought it was a law too. I guess its currently like movies: Theaters were being threatened with having their rules legislated, so they decided as a group to make it policy...rather then having it made law. They likely have just been doing a decent job policing themselfs so that the issue doesn't come up and they can be responsible to themselves rather then the government.
Why should the government get involved with it? Why should the government replace the PARENT'S job of PARENTING? I think it's downright ridiculous that games are being held to the same respect as alcohol. You folks also seem to forget what "M" stands for... Mature. I know plenty of mature people who are under 17, and plenty of immature people who are over 17.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6482|Somewhere else

Makes sense.  That way, kids with shit parents won't get the wrong idea.

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