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2008-04-28 20:40:26
AussieReaper
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Adapt or die. If the U.S car industry is losing out to cheaper, more efficient Japanese cars, they only have themselves to blame. Sorry to hear about your dad though, it's not his fault. It's the dicks at the top.
Meh.. I blame unions.
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2008-04-29 01:07:54
PureFodder
Member
+225|6586

The#1Spot wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

They are adapting, but numbnuts like you guys keep promoting the myth that foreign cars get better mileage, which is a load of bs.
Its all too true. In Europe there are turbo diesel cars that get over 50mpg average and have respectable performance. Here we have shitty hybrids that struggle with 35 to 40mpg.
To be fair on the Americans, European gallons are 4.5 litres, American gallons are 3.8 litres so European mpg's will tend to look a bit better due to that.
2008-04-29 01:16:11
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6843|Outer Space

PureFodder wrote:

To be fair on the Americans, European gallons are 4.5 litres, American gallons are 3.8 litres so European mpg's will tend to look a bit better due to that.
We have gallons in Europe? I thought we dealt in litres everywhere over here, and converted to gallons just to amuse the Americans. Or do the Brits still use it?
2008-04-29 01:45:11
PureFodder
Member
+225|6586

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

To be fair on the Americans, European gallons are 4.5 litres, American gallons are 3.8 litres so European mpg's will tend to look a bit better due to that.
We have gallons in Europe? I thought we dealt in litres everywhere over here, and converted to gallons just to amuse the Americans. Or do the Brits still use it?
We still use them in the UK. We stupidly tend to use both imperial and metric. When an MPG gets quoted they rarely ever state US or UK gallons.
2008-04-29 01:46:24
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|6933|Finland

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

To be fair on the Americans, European gallons are 4.5 litres, American gallons are 3.8 litres so European mpg's will tend to look a bit better due to that.
We have gallons in Europe? I thought we dealt in litres everywhere over here, and converted to gallons just to amuse the Americans. Or do the Brits still use it?
The Brits like to use it, I think. The UK did go over to metric some time ago, but since imperial measurements are deeply rooted in the culture, both are used. Which is completely understandable. That's why you buy a pint instead of a half litre beer in the UK.

On topic: It might not be a bad idea to introduce Opel/Vauxhall/Holden to the U.S? Fuel-efficient cars that compete pretty nicely with the Japs in both price and level of quality.

And if you look at my sig/avatar, I'm being a bit biased. lol. I average about 32mpg with city/highway about 70/30. I drive pretty aggressive.

On topic 2: I hope your dad gets to keep his job.
I need around tree fiddy.
2008-04-29 01:56:52
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6681|MN

Stingray24 wrote:

They are adapting, but numbnuts like you guys keep promoting the myth that foreign cars get better mileage, which is a load of bs.
Have you seen the numbers on the Tahoe Hybrid?  22 city and 20 highway for the 2 wheel drive version and 20-20 for the 4wd.  Here's the rest of the tahoe fleet:  http://www.chevrolet.com/tahoe/specifications/  Not exactly impressive for an $8000 uprgrade.

Meanwhile the 2008 toyota seqouia gets 13 city and 18 highway (this is the Limited 4wd with the bigger V8).  Oh, it also has a bit more power, and if you ask me, it is drop dead sexy too .

It isn't just the mileage factor.  The foreign cars and trucks have proved to be more reliable over time and hold their value better.  The domestic companies have been slow to react to many factors.

They claim they are building better cars and trucks now, but it appears to be too late.

My brother works for corprate GM in Detroit.  He is a staunch supporter of GM.  We have many go arounds over foreign vs domestic.  He has on many occasions admitted that GM has made poor vehicles, but he always folows it up with the party line of "we have learned from our mistakes and are making excellent vehicles now.  Have you seen the new Impala?"

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2008-04-29 03:47:17
BVC
Member
+325|6996
That sucks OP, GM makes some nice cars.
2008-04-29 08:53:32
Karbin
Member
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Something's that have been brought up and something's that haven't.
First is the management of the Detroit 3.
When you pay seven of your top management, in pay and bonuses, 20 to 25 million a year
you will have a problem.
Example: Chrysler just paid their 2ed vice president 25. The CFO got 20.
Then demanded the the UAW go two tier on pay and take over the health care management of the workers.
The REAL hourly labor cost per vehicle is around 5-7% of the wholesale price. Do a ruff double on the wholesale and you
get the MSRP.
That's right. Half the "showroom" price is profit


Second
Detroit 3 DO NOT want to build small cars. The profits on smaller cars is lower then on large ones.
They would rather make more money on a per unit base then on a volume base.

Third
Corporate welfare. Chrysler had spent close to one billion on a plant to build a new work van.
The state of Georgia told them:
"You move it here, we will build the plant and lease it to you for 99 years. Our envirment laws are better for you,
our labor laws are easier on you and the UAW is much more controlled here".

The second shift at the GM Oshawa plant got hit as well.
For those that don't think these lay-offs don't matter all that much:
Every job on the line has seven jobs out side the plant feeding it.
One thousand get layed-off in the plant, seven thousand outside get layed-off as well.
Georgia is a so called "right to work" state.
Chrysler moved and wrought off the other plant on their taxes.

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2009-05-14 18:55:34
Karbin
Member
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May 14 2009


Era ends as last GM truck produced in Oshawa


After 44 years of production, a lone black GMC Sierra light truck rolled off the assembly line with emergency lights flashing at the General Motors truck plant in Oshawa, Ont., bringing an end to an era and to livelihoods for about 2,600 workers.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/ho … ing_090514

Just to up date this thread

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2009-05-14 19:14:27
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|6941|Your moms bedroom
sad, but i guess the writing was already on the wall
2009-05-14 19:36:25
Karbin
Member
+42|6595

Locoloki wrote:

sad, but i guess the writing was already on the wall
This was General Motors' best truck plant. Best quality, best productivity.

So much for only bad plants closing
2009-05-14 22:15:34
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7017
This is a screwed up situation... The ripple effect from all of this will really hit a lot of people hard...
I don't want to argue because my heart is broken for the honest working stiffs... but i still blame the Unions for most of this...
and now we have "Obama Motors"  what could possibly go wrong having the govt help run something...?
Love is the answer
2009-05-15 03:55:50
Karbin
Member
+42|6595

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

This is a screwed up situation... The ripple effect from all of this will really hit a lot of people hard...
I don't want to argue because my heart is broken for the honest working stiffs... but i still blame the Unions for most of this...
and now we have "Obama Motors"  what could possibly go wrong having the govt help run something...?
I REALLY like to know how you give 7% of the cost most of the blame?

Back in 4 days for the answer
2009-05-15 04:04:08
JahManRed
wank
+646|6929|IRELAND

Mafia47 wrote:

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/18340439.html

My dad works at the janesville plant and has over 25 years of seniority, and he doesn't know whether or not he's going to get to keep his job. . . Yay gas prices. . .
Sorry to hear that man.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that we are running out of oil, therefore it would be wise to build fuel efficient cars. The management are to blame. Unfortunately the management will come out of it with a nice severance packages and walk into some other high paid  committee chair or kwango and your father and the workers will be in the shit through no fault of their own. The rich get rich and stay rich off the backs of ordinary workers.
Capitalism............don't you just love it.
2009-05-15 07:10:42
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6484|Ireland
Sorry to hear the economy is even effecting the Union workers.  I would like to say I helped your dad by buying my Chevy HHR, but it was made in Mexico.  I know this because I found 12 illegals in the trunk.
2009-05-15 08:09:01
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6922|London, England
They're also shutting down Pontiac I think. Bad times for the US Auto Industry, although I think Ford isn't doing so bad, but that's mainly due to the fact that it isn't so reliant and based around the US Auto Industry, probably. I mean they have their Europe division which makes some nice cars that sell well

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2009-05-15 14:00:25
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6706|North Carolina

Mekstizzle wrote:

They're also shutting down Pontiac I think. Bad times for the US Auto Industry, although I think Ford isn't doing so bad, but that's mainly due to the fact that it isn't so reliant and based around the US Auto Industry, probably. I mean they have their Europe division which makes some nice cars that sell well
GM is shedding Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer, and Saab.

Fiat is buying up GM Europe brands.

Chrysler will more or less be owned by Fiat too.

...and GM will apparently be offering Chinese cars soon enough.

 

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