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sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Oh but remember we wen't in to get rich off oil..lol

Not you, some oil companies.  And they are getting rich, look to their profits last year. 
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1029991

The people who are getting rich are the very same people we are at war with. Pretty ironic how we buy oil from a nation that our president calls a member of the axis of evil.

alot of it has to do with good ol pork barrell spendnig, typical wastefulness, people using every opportunity to make their bureacracy larger, remember the big stink a few months ago concerning the DHS's decision to reduce NYC's funding? You never heard anyone give the DHS (Homeland sec) a chance to explain why. Turns out that NYC was contuing to use the federal money for programs that were only supposed to be temporarily funded by the fed, such as overtime for cops and fire dept's and such, causing a glut of suddenly eager workers putting in 60 hours a week or so, whether they were needed or not (usually not), afterall, since the tax payers in alabama were bankrolling it, why should they care? One of the many misdirections was the attempt to ridicule the DHS over making the decision to not list the Statue of Liberty as a national monument ( I specifically remember Jon Stewart and Bill Maher bringing this up), the DHS's reasoning being that national monuments, generally not populated structures (or at least low populated) are not given as high a priority as an office building with potentially thousands of tenants. This decision actually worked in favor of NYC's funding, but they relied on public ignorance and used it as a point to ridicule the DHS, so you  wouldn't hear about the NYC's abuses of the Homeland Sec. budget over the past 5 years. We finally get a gov't organization that puts people first over money, and they get tarred and feathered for it.


After all, how many of the 9-11 flights originated in NYC?    0

My parents are from Mexico and not only do they not throw trash on the ground, but they also sweep their sidewalk, driveway, and even the street in front of their house. When I visit my Grandmother in Mexico, I don't ever see her throw trash on the ground. And we're not the rich Mexicans either. We just don't litter because it's not very nice. But I tell you what, when I go to Detroit and Chicago, GOD DAMN those places are dirty. Those fucking Americans. They probably don't even wipe their asses. . . . And if they do, they probably don't flush the toilet paper, they probably throw it out on the street!

Doesn't that sound stupid?

Shopvac wrote:

My parents are from Mexico and not only do they not throw trash on the ground, but they also sweep their sidewalk, driveway, and even the street in front of their house. When I visit my Grandmother in Mexico, I don't ever see her throw trash on the ground. And we're not the rich Mexicans either. We just don't litter because it's not very nice. But I tell you what, when I go to Detroit and Chicago, GOD DAMN those places are dirty. Those fucking Americans. They probably don't even wipe their asses. . . . And if they do, they probably don't flush the toilet paper, they probably throw it out on the street!

Doesn't that sound stupid?

actually, some of my former customers were chicken plants with high numbers of immigrants of questionable residential status, they had to post signs in the bathrooms to
A) use toilet paper, not the newspaper, not paper towels
B) flush the toilet paper, don't let it pile up in the toilet after 30 "customers" or so, don't throw it on the floor, don't put it in the trash cans
C) wash hands

as for how many violations of all those I witnessed, just make sure your chicken's well cooked

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

here a refresher from just one post above yours

And yet you yourself seem to have trouble with it.

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

1.    a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme by making use of deceitful, and usually illegal acts for the sole purpose to deprive and gain.

Further, if there was favouritism is probably would be against US law.  And the invasion was against international law.

Bubbalo wrote:

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

here a refresher from just one post above yours

And yet you yourself seem to have trouble with it.

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

1.    a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme by making use of deceitful, and usually illegal acts for the sole purpose to deprive and gain.

Further, if there was favouritism is probably would be against US law.  And the invasion was against international law.

Go ahead and cite that than Bubbalo, thats your opinion, I'm glad you feel that way, but semantics aside, who really cares, we're getting off topic a bit here, the war in Iraq is not a scam, as there has been no proof of ILLEGAL activities, refer to my previous post about the biggest scam of all time. (Recently) Saddam, and the U.N.'s Oil for Food program.

Surprisingly where the middle east is known to be the largest "producer" of oil few actually realize the amount that the United States has that it wont touch. Look around for know oil reserve locations and quality ratings and you will see what i mean. Now anyone care to ponder why they aren't being utilized?

kr@cker wrote:

Shopvac wrote:

My parents are from Mexico and not only do they not throw trash on the ground, but they also sweep their sidewalk, driveway, and even the street in front of their house. When I visit my Grandmother in Mexico, I don't ever see her throw trash on the ground. And we're not the rich Mexicans either. We just don't litter because it's not very nice. But I tell you what, when I go to Detroit and Chicago, GOD DAMN those places are dirty. Those fucking Americans. They probably don't even wipe their asses. . . . And if they do, they probably don't flush the toilet paper, they probably throw it out on the street!

Doesn't that sound stupid?

actually, some of my former customers were chicken plants with high numbers of immigrants of questionable residential status, they had to post signs in the bathrooms to
A) use toilet paper, not the newspaper, not paper towels
B) flush the toilet paper, don't let it pile up in the toilet after 30 "customers" or so, don't throw it on the floor, don't put it in the trash cans
C) wash hands

as for how many violations of all those I witnessed, just make sure your chicken's well cooked

You know that you can't flush toilet paper or you will fuck up the entire sewer system in some countries... and in those countries they have to put up signs in the toilets because loads of arsehole tourists go and flush it anyway then flood the whole town in sewage.  If you are going to exploit people from other cultures as cheap labour, then you'd better do your research and educate them on the differences between the two.

Kmarion wrote:

GATOR591957 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Ultimately OPEC controls the price via price per barrel.

You are correct on the price of oil.  The oil companies dictate the price of it's end products.  See the connection yet?

Edit: If I were to buy your assumption, explain the record income's of the oil companies in past year when oil was at record buying highs.

Oil companies make money on the refining and distribution of oil. The demand for oil has increased substantially therefore more oil is being refined and sold, there is no doubt about that. I don't think I need to explain to you the basic economics of supply and demand. The argument I am disputing is that invading Iraq will increase oil company profits . That is simply not true. When is the last time you have heard of an oil company needing to be bailed out by the government in recent years ? They have always been financially secure. As I said before when you invade an oil producing country production of oil decreases and causes gas prices to go up. If you have to pay more for a barrel of oil due to lack of supply the difference is made at the pumps. Maybe in a perfect world the Oil companies would suck it up and take the loss due to lack of supply, but lets be real. What successful company does not pass the increased cost of manufacturing a product on to the consumer? With regards to profit what is also overlooked is the incredibly large amount of money that eventually gets re-invested into researching and locating new sources of oil. Ever hear of Jack-2?

So my question is this. We both know that Oil companies control the price of oil on it's "end product". How does invading Iraq dictate the REFINING process cost? For your argument to make sense you would have to convince me that invading Iraq would cause the cost to change oil into gasoline to decrease. We have just agreed that this is what they have control over and not control over the supply of oil. Do oil companies have huge profit margins? Hell yes. Is it because of our policy in Iraq ? No.

You need to change the context of your question.  Like:  What company doesn't exploit it's consumers of a natural resource.  The answer is, those who are regulated by state commissions.  Electricity and water have always been regulated by Utilities commissions.  The very popular Mr. Reagan was the one who deregulated oil and gas.

" We are all victims of America and Britain. They killed our country.

It's been seven years and four months that I have been in prison," he told the Guardian. "But did I commit a crime against any civilian, military or religious man? The answer is no.

Aziz says the events of 9/11 were shocking to him and Saddam.

"We were against that at the time, but we were not speaking to the American government. Saddam Hussein called me and said he would like me to write a letter to Ramsey [Clark, a former US attorney general] and say that we condemn the attack. I did that."

What I see, is a patriot who served his country with honor and dignity. It will be little wonder then that we [ meaning the U.S. government ] probably will allow him to be hanged.

Worse than a nation that has made mistakes in this campaign, we have a leadership that has done all of this on purpose; from the false pretense for invasion, to the bumbling of the occupation to the lost of billions and billions of American funds and Iraqi national assets. This sin is an albatross around our neck as stinking as the genocide of the American Indians. It is a crime against humanity.

As an American, I humbly apologize to the Iraqi people for the sins and crimes of our so called leaders.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/au … -aziz-iran

Last edited by ATG (2010-08-06 19:55:29)

So, they didn't need our corruption then, did they?

The humanitarian side of Iraq doesn't really sit with me as there have been far worse dictators which the US has done nothing about. The war was a massive waste for both sides and I have doubts that any democratic government will hold any effective power in Iraq (at least not in the immediate future).

In my opinion, not only was the Iraq war a failure in its own right, but it also pretty much sealed the same fate for Afghanistan. If the troops and money used in Iraq were instead used in Afghanistan, I think we would be in a very different (and better) situation.