Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5631|London, England
Gov. Paterson says that the $1.60-a-pack cigarette-tax hike he muscled through the Legislature yesterday will come with a crackdown on Indian-reservation tobacco smuggling, and the result will be an extra $440 million for Albany.

Nonsense.

Reservation retailers have been thumbing their noses at governors from Mario Cuomo to Paterson, building a multi-bil lion-dollar business in the process.

Last year, according to the state Tax Department, some 240 million packs of cigarettes moved through state reservations at an instant profit of up to $4.25 a pop -- then the combined state and city cigarette tax.

The trade has bankrupted legitimate merchants and enriched all manner of disreputable characters -- including, authorities believe, international terrorists.

Paterson couldn't well budget an extra $1.60-per-pack tax without at least prom ising to crack down on the trade.

But nothing in the governor's history, or the new law, indicates that he's serious.

From the start of his incumbency, Paterson has had the power to collect the tax, yet has instead pursued sham "negotiations" with the tribes -- which in the past have responded with violence to efforts to enforce the law.

Paterson in January finally got around to "instructing" his Tax Department to issue regulations to collect the tax; so far, nothing.

And now?

Unsurprisingly, yesterday's language, passed as part of an emergency budget extender, authorizes Paterson to continue talks with the tribes -- and even to abrogate the tax unilaterally if a deal comes as part of a federal court settlement.

Bonnie and Clyde should have been so lucky.

Most tellingly, the bill imposes the tax hike immediately but anticipates enforcement starting only on Sept. 1 -- giving smugglers a free summer (at least) to rake in the dough.

It's also unclear whether taxes as high as New York's are now -- $5.85 per pack, city and state -- even can be enforced.

Not that Gov. Paterson or the cowards in the Legislature care about any of that.

They get to budget $440 million in phantom revenue into their long-overdue budget, bringing it that much closer to "balance" without actually cutting spending -- the plan being to deal with the consequences after Election Day, probably with real tax hikes.

Shameful.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/ed … KGbQfwc60L
Fuck this bullshit, I'm not paying $12 a pack. I can drive to New Jersey, pay $7 at a savings of $50 a carton and save about $40 even after gas is factored in. While I'm there, I might as well fill up my tank with cheaper gas too!

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The cost of a pack of cigs has skyrocketed over a decade

2000 $5

2002 $7.50

2008 $8.50

2009 $10

2010 $11.60

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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7048|Moscow, Russia
it is a lot more economical for you to quit smoking, not to mention more healthy. don't want to pay those who profit off of your inability to control yourself? - pull yourself together and fucking quit.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5631|London, England

Shahter wrote:

it is a lot more economical for you to quit smoking, not to mention more healthy. don't want to pay those who profit off of your inability to control yourself? - pull yourself together and fucking quit.
GFY. I smoke because I want to, not because I can't quit.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7048|Moscow, Russia

JohnG@lt wrote:

Shahter wrote:

it is a lot more economical for you to quit smoking, not to mention more healthy. don't want to pay those who profit off of your inability to control yourself? - pull yourself together and fucking quit.
GFY. I smoke because I want to, not because I can't quit.
prove it.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5631|London, England

Shahter wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Shahter wrote:

it is a lot more economical for you to quit smoking, not to mention more healthy. don't want to pay those who profit off of your inability to control yourself? - pull yourself together and fucking quit.
GFY. I smoke because I want to, not because I can't quit.
prove it.
I've quit for six months in the past. I started again because I missed the social aspect of smoking.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7048|Moscow, Russia

JohnG@lt wrote:

Shahter wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


GFY. I smoke because I want to, not because I can't quit.
prove it.
I've quit for six months in the past. I started again because I missed the social aspect of smoking.
you are wrong. you started again because you can't completely break the addiction. nobody can. the only way to prove that you can quit it to quit and never smoke again.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6922

How long does the drive take though?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,054|7044|PNW

JohnG@lt wrote:

Shahter wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

GFY. I smoke because I want to, not because I can't quit.
prove it.
I've quit for six months in the past. I started again because I missed the social aspect of smoking.
What social aspect? You're sucking it in and blowing it out...not to mention alienating the growing legion of non-smokers who choke and gag on the stench of your proximity.
nlsme1
Member
+32|5690
"social aspect", I lol'ed.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5631|London, England

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Shahter wrote:


prove it.
I've quit for six months in the past. I started again because I missed the social aspect of smoking.
What social aspect? You're sucking it in and blowing it out...not to mention alienating the growing legion of non-smokers who choke and gag on the stench of your proximity.
I've met some of the coolest people and had some of the best conversations standing outside of a bar smoking a cig with others.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6654|the land of bourbon

Shahter wrote:

you are wrong. you started again because you can't completely break the addiction. nobody can.
i smoked for ten years and quit 6 years ago, and i have no desire to start again.  it is possible to completely break the addiction. everybody can. 

several of my friends still smoke, i still hang out with them, and go outside with them during their smoke breaks at the bar, and it still does not make me crave a cig.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5631|London, England

ghettoperson wrote:

How long does the drive take though?
About an hour round trip (if I'm lucky and there is no traffic).
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6922

I was gonna say, I frequently go hang outside with smokers without any desire to start. I can talk to them fine and sip a tasty beverage rather than smoke. Plus it frequently gets hot as hell inside bars/clubs so they (smokey) cool air is very nice.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,054|7044|PNW

JohnG@lt wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I've quit for six months in the past. I started again because I missed the social aspect of smoking.
What social aspect? You're sucking it in and blowing it out...not to mention alienating the growing legion of non-smokers who choke and gag on the stench of your proximity.
I've met some of the coolest people and had some of the best conversations standing outside of a bar smoking a cig with others.
I've met some of the coolest people and had some of the best conversations standing inside buildings when all the addicts shuffled out to suck on cancer. Also, if you had to be puffing on a cig for them to be willing to have a conversation with you, I don't think they're as great as all that.

steelie34 wrote:

it is possible to completely break the addiction. everybody can.
But not everybody will.

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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7048|Moscow, Russia

steelie34 wrote:

Shahter wrote:

you are wrong. you started again because you can't completely break the addiction. nobody can.
i smoked for ten years and quit 6 years ago, and i have no desire to start again.  it is possible to completely break the addiction. everybody can. 

several of my friends still smoke, i still hang out with them, and go outside with them during their smoke breaks at the bar, and it still does not make me crave a cig.
go ask a narcologist. human brain is something that, once you fuck it up with narcotics, never fully recovers. some people find it easier to quit, some not, but the fact remains - the change is irreversible.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6798|South Florida
get one of those fake ciggs from spencers gift shop the ones that look lit and just hang out outside with that. problem solved no one will ask
15 more years! 15 more years!
steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6654|the land of bourbon

Shahter wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

Shahter wrote:

you are wrong. you started again because you can't completely break the addiction. nobody can.
i smoked for ten years and quit 6 years ago, and i have no desire to start again.  it is possible to completely break the addiction. everybody can. 

several of my friends still smoke, i still hang out with them, and go outside with them during their smoke breaks at the bar, and it still does not make me crave a cig.
go ask a narcologist. human brain is something that, once you fuck it up with narcotics, never fully recovers. some people find it easier to quit, some not, but the fact remains - the change is irreversible.
first of all, no doctor or medical professional fully understands the human brain and how it works.  second of all, if i never smoke again, i think it's safe to say that i've proven that "fact" wrong.

tbh, i find cig smoke completely repulsive now.  i can even tell when someone in the car driving in front of me is smoking because of this heightened sensitivity to the smell.

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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6947|Canberra, AUS

steelie34 wrote:

Shahter wrote:

steelie34 wrote:


i smoked for ten years and quit 6 years ago, and i have no desire to start again.  it is possible to completely break the addiction. everybody can. 

several of my friends still smoke, i still hang out with them, and go outside with them during their smoke breaks at the bar, and it still does not make me crave a cig.
go ask a narcologist. human brain is something that, once you fuck it up with narcotics, never fully recovers. some people find it easier to quit, some not, but the fact remains - the change is irreversible.
first of all, no doctor or medical professional fully understands the human brain and how it works.  second of all, if i never smoke again, i think it's safe to say that i've proven that "fact" wrong.
No, not really...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7048|Moscow, Russia

JohnG@lt wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I've quit for six months in the past. I started again because I missed the social aspect of smoking.
What social aspect? You're sucking it in and blowing it out...not to mention alienating the growing legion of non-smokers who choke and gag on the stench of your proximity.
I've met some of the coolest people and had some of the best conversations standing outside of a bar smoking a cig with others.
"social aspect" of smoking is as much a part of your addiction as everything else - in fact, it's the most hard to overcome.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5631|London, England

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:


What social aspect? You're sucking it in and blowing it out...not to mention alienating the growing legion of non-smokers who choke and gag on the stench of your proximity.
I've met some of the coolest people and had some of the best conversations standing outside of a bar smoking a cig with others.
I've met some of the coolest people and had some of the best conversations standing inside buildings when all the addicts shuffled out to suck on cancer. Also, if you had to be puffing on a cig for them to be willing to have a conversation with you, I don't think they're as great as all that.
To each their own. It's my life and my choice. It's not your right to make the choice for me.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7048|Moscow, Russia

steelie34 wrote:

Shahter wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

i smoked for ten years and quit 6 years ago, and i have no desire to start again.  it is possible to completely break the addiction. everybody can. 

several of my friends still smoke, i still hang out with them, and go outside with them during their smoke breaks at the bar, and it still does not make me crave a cig.
go ask a narcologist. human brain is something that, once you fuck it up with narcotics, never fully recovers. some people find it easier to quit, some not, but the fact remains - the change is irreversible.
first of all, no doctor or medical professional fully understands the human brain and how it works.  second of all, if i never smoke again, i think it's safe to say that i've proven that "fact" wrong.

tbh, i find cig smoke completely repulsive now.  i can even tell when someone in the car driving in front of me is smoking because of this heightened sensitivity to the smell.
i'm heterosexual. i'm biologically wired to desire the opposite sex. now, if i never touch a woman again untill i die would that have proven that fact wrong?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6654|the land of bourbon

Shahter wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

Shahter wrote:

go ask a narcologist. human brain is something that, once you fuck it up with narcotics, never fully recovers. some people find it easier to quit, some not, but the fact remains - the change is irreversible.
first of all, no doctor or medical professional fully understands the human brain and how it works.  second of all, if i never smoke again, i think it's safe to say that i've proven that "fact" wrong.

tbh, i find cig smoke completely repulsive now.  i can even tell when someone in the car driving in front of me is smoking because of this heightened sensitivity to the smell.
i'm heterosexual. i'm biologically wired to desire the opposite sex. now, if i never touch a woman again untill i die would that have proven that fact wrong?
no, but if you suck cock, then yes

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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5631|London, England

Shahter wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

What social aspect? You're sucking it in and blowing it out...not to mention alienating the growing legion of non-smokers who choke and gag on the stench of your proximity.
I've met some of the coolest people and had some of the best conversations standing outside of a bar smoking a cig with others.
"social aspect" of smoking is as much a part of your addiction as everything else - in fact, it's the most hard to overcome.
Don't you have a bottle of vodka to drown in or perhaps some smack to cook up?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5974|College Park, MD
God damn the self-righteous brigade is out in full force today.

If you people who hate cigarettes don't also hate alcohol you are the biggest fucking hypocrites on this forum.

Anyway, come down to Maryland/DC/VA John. Lower taxes than NY (at least in VA) and cheaper smokes. There's a great shop that sells Nat Shermans for $10 a pack.

Last edited by Hurricane2k9 (2010-06-22 09:02:00)

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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,054|7044|PNW

Eh, I don't drink either, but aside from drunk driving, the habit isn't nearly as obnoxious as having some asshole puff toxins in your face when you're going for pizza. I think most smokers don't realize how honestly sickening the stuff is to many non-smokers. Also, one of the hallmark of addiction is when an addict gets pissed off when flaws in his 'hobby' are pointed out.

edit: I haven't once coughed, sneezed or felt ill because someone at the table next to me is sucking on a martini.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2010-06-22 09:05:12)

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