Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5600|The Wild West

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I'm a communist for thinking that a 22k a month pension for a retired police officer is too much?
Where do you think the money paying that and other officers pensions comes from?

Oh the people, so I don't know about you but that seems like it could put 3-4 other cops on the beat to "protect and serve".
so lets change the rate the pension of the LAPD police cheif because you disagree with it then.  Spread the wealth, its the peoples money!  Forget the fact that there is only one police chief at a time.  forget the fact he gave 4 decades of his life serving the public, reaping the benfits of that service.  youre panties are in a bunch because he makes more money for you.


maybe you should join the police force, make it to police chief of the largest and one of the most prominent police departments in the world, then when you decide to retire, you could help change the rules by declining such a high amount.  I mean, its for the people right?
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6574|San Diego, CA, USA
Arnold is going to be taking away a lot of money that cities get the from state making them make even more deep cuts or raising taxes further.

I don't know if you guys knew this but we pay income and sales taxes here in California to the counties we live in as well as the state.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6742
just cut funding for healthcare for 1 million kids and cut welfare for 500k... Arnold will fix things...
they better hurry up with the free nationalized healthcare in Washington... 
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 … htm?csp=34


something that would help cali save some money
.....
CALIFORNIA TAXPAYER PROTECTION ACT
Sponsored by Taxpayer Revolution

The Initiative’s Laws Will:

STOP 18 years of WELFARE payments to illegal aliens with U.S. born children.
REQUIRE all those who are not citizens or permanent legal residents to submit ID documents, provided to Homeland Security, before receiving a birth certificate.
ALLOW only CITIZENS AND PERMANENT LEGAL RESIDENTS eligibility for all public benefits including non-emergency and pre-natal care.
ALLOWS Homeland Security to review approved applications for federal, state or local benefits that illegal aliens are permitted to receive due to a U.S. born child.

http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/index … p;Itemid=1

seems like common sense...

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2009-05-26 19:37:22)

Love is the answer
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6742
i just read more info from that site i posted above... holy cow... no wonder cali is banged up...
http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/index … ;Itemid=10


FACTS
Illegal alien births: Approximately half of all births in Los Angeles County, 65% at Los Angeles County General Hospital, and 70% of all births at San Joaquin General Hospital. Now 10% of all births in the U.S. are to illegal aliens, about 385,000 annually. In California, 25% of all births are to illegal aliens, or about 300 births per day, one anchor baby born every five minutes in California.

84 hospitals, 65 emergency rooms and more than 70 acute care hospitals have closed in CA. in the last 10 years. $8.6 billion unreimbursed emergency care costs in 2007.

Most Californians do not know this, and the Democrat controlled Legislature is not going to tell them: Illegal aliens are paid 18 years of welfare checks for the anchor child in a child-only Cal-WORKS case, while federal regulation allows a five year maximum for citizens. (The initiative will prohibit the issuance of this welfare program to illegal aliens.)

From a NY Times Editorial referencing information from the Center for Disease Control:
Hispanic girls have the highest teen birth rate, twice the national average, one-quarter of the girls are mothers by age 20, 50% of those births are illegitimate, for El Salvadorans 73% illegitimacy, Jamaican 86%. The Latin teenage birthrate is the fastest growing segment of the United States population, three times more than white, 1.5 more than black. Unmarried Hispanic birthrate increasing faster than any other. Unmarried teenage births: Mexican, 93 births per 1,000, white 27 per 1K, Asian, 17, black, 65, Italy 6.9, Japan 3.9.

Statistics show that teenage pregnancy produces high school dropouts, increases the chances of the offspring dropping out, earning less, using welfare, belonging to a gang, and these children are eight times more likely to be incarcerated. This Third World birth rate puts us on the fast track to unstoppable family breakdown and an exploding, expanding permanent underclass in the United States.

Koreans fly expectant mothers to give birth in the U.S. Hundreds of thousands around the world are waiting with their birth certificates to return for permanent residency when the child turns 21. Women from nations all around the world, even terrorist sympathizers, can take advantage of the "birth tourism industry" at taxpayer expense and the refusal of Congress to correctly define the jurisdiction clause.

Estimates: 32% of illegals collect welfare. Women Infants and Children program increased 25% from ‘96-‘02. Govt. Social Services have latched on to this new client base which promotes welfare workers' job security.

"California’s Undocumented Latino Immigrants: A report on Access to Health Care Services” pg 38: 90% of illegal migrants lack non-government medical insurance. One third of the estimated 10 million uninsured children are Latino. (You the taxpayer pay their medical bills while $24 billion in remittances annually are sent to Mexico alone.)

61% of Latino surnamed students do NOT graduate from the Los Angeles Unified School District. California schools have gone from being in the top five in the nation in the 1980's to the bottom five today.

The result of low education skills:

Estimated 40,000 gang members in Los Angeles. Mayor Villaraigosa said on KTLA there are four times as many gang members as police; 44.8% of homicides in LA County are gang related, Latino gangs caused 25% of all homicides in 2000, gang related deaths for ages 15-19 increased 30%.
Estimated 60% of gangs are illegal aliens. Over 10% of Latin males 20-29 are in the criminal justice system. CA Dept. of Corrections states illegal aliens are over represented in prison, 25% are illegal in LA County system costing $1bil. annually. KTLA recently reported an estimated 400,000 gang members statewide.
It is time to stop the proliferation of the Third World in the United States.

Is this all lies... or true?
Love is the answer
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6657|949

You can't be on welfare for 18 years - whether you are a citizen or not.  You can't even get it for more than a few years at a time.  That site you linked is xenophobic paranoia.  You should stay away from sites like that.

I liked this one in particular:

Koreans fly expectant mothers to give birth in the U.S. Hundreds of thousands around the world are waiting with their birth certificates to return for permanent residency when the child turns 21. Women from nations all around the world, even terrorist sympathizers, can take advantage of the "birth tourism industry" at taxpayer expense and the refusal of Congress to correctly define the jurisdiction clause.
Yeah dude, parents have their kids in the US in an elaborate 21 year plot to gain residency.  If you join this site you will be battling illegal immigrant terrorist sympathizers!  Think of the women and children!  Viva la taxpayer revolucion!
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6742
ok... the 18 years of welfare is not true from what you say...
and it said... " Women from nations all around the world, even terrorist sympathizers, can take advantage of the "birth tourism industry" "
can take advantage of...

and what about the other stats about illegal births in LA
and dropout rates
and gang joining
and the clogging of hospitals with illegals
and
""California’s Undocumented Latino Immigrants: A report on Access to Health Care Services” pg 38: 90% of illegal migrants lack non-government medical insurance. One third of the estimated 10 million uninsured children are Latino. (You the taxpayer pay their medical bills while $24 billion in remittances annually are sent to Mexico alone.) "

I realize that these facts can all be put on any website in 5 minutes... but could the current state of California comfirm most of these stats?
Love is the answer
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5600|The Wild West
Prop 187 passed in the 1990's

guess what

it was found unconstitutional.

realize nothing is new.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6606|the dank(super) side of Oregon
$22k per month in pension?  what the fuck would you even do with $22k each month?
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5611

Reciprocity wrote:

$22k per month in pension?  what the fuck would you even do with $22k each month?
Coke and Hookers
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6606|the dank(super) side of Oregon
not to sound like a socialist but that is a hell of a concentration of wealth.  $720 per day in pension for being a fucking cop?  fucking unions.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5600|The Wild West
police chief is like 5 star general
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6721|NJ

Man With No Name wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I'm a communist for thinking that a 22k a month pension for a retired police officer is too much?
Where do you think the money paying that and other officers pensions comes from?

Oh the people, so I don't know about you but that seems like it could put 3-4 other cops on the beat to "protect and serve".
so lets change the rate the pension of the LAPD police cheif because you disagree with it then.  Spread the wealth, its the peoples money!  Forget the fact that there is only one police chief at a time.  forget the fact he gave 4 decades of his life serving the public, reaping the benfits of that service.  youre panties are in a bunch because he makes more money for you.


maybe you should join the police force, make it to police chief of the largest and one of the most prominent police departments in the world, then when you decide to retire, you could help change the rules by declining such a high amount.  I mean, its for the people right?
Well in the real world, not your state and government funded world, if the company you're working for isn't turning a profit they usually result to cutting pensions, employees and benefits. But I guess you ok with your government funded tax free pensions also have fun with the cost of living behind them.

Governments control the cost of living, then give themselves cost of living increases so they can survive, then have to raise taxes to support there cost of living increases.. Wow seems like a pretty big circle and with most investment gone that's probably been cut back from his original 50k a month pension.

And what wealth are we spreading? There's no wealth to spread, that's cool though lets just fire an other teacher.

P.S. I'd fire my Gardner just to keep my lawn.. Is this part of the trickle down effect?

Should the fattest man in the restaurant get all the food, just cause he's fat?

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2009-05-27 13:15:53)

Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6761|Salt Lake City

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

i just read more info from that site i posted above... holy cow... no wonder cali is banged up...
http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/index … ;Itemid=10


FACTS
Illegal alien births: Approximately half of all births in Los Angeles County, 65% at Los Angeles County General Hospital, and 70% of all births at San Joaquin General Hospital. Now 10% of all births in the U.S. are to illegal aliens, about 385,000 annually. In California, 25% of all births are to illegal aliens, or about 300 births per day, one anchor baby born every five minutes in California.

84 hospitals, 65 emergency rooms and more than 70 acute care hospitals have closed in CA. in the last 10 years. $8.6 billion unreimbursed emergency care costs in 2007.

Most Californians do not know this, and the Democrat controlled Legislature is not going to tell them: Illegal aliens are paid 18 years of welfare checks for the anchor child in a child-only Cal-WORKS case, while federal regulation allows a five year maximum for citizens. (The initiative will prohibit the issuance of this welfare program to illegal aliens.)

From a NY Times Editorial referencing information from the Center for Disease Control:
Hispanic girls have the highest teen birth rate, twice the national average, one-quarter of the girls are mothers by age 20, 50% of those births are illegitimate, for El Salvadorans 73% illegitimacy, Jamaican 86%. The Latin teenage birthrate is the fastest growing segment of the United States population, three times more than white, 1.5 more than black. Unmarried Hispanic birthrate increasing faster than any other. Unmarried teenage births: Mexican, 93 births per 1,000, white 27 per 1K, Asian, 17, black, 65, Italy 6.9, Japan 3.9.

Statistics show that teenage pregnancy produces high school dropouts, increases the chances of the offspring dropping out, earning less, using welfare, belonging to a gang, and these children are eight times more likely to be incarcerated. This Third World birth rate puts us on the fast track to unstoppable family breakdown and an exploding, expanding permanent underclass in the United States.

Koreans fly expectant mothers to give birth in the U.S. Hundreds of thousands around the world are waiting with their birth certificates to return for permanent residency when the child turns 21. Women from nations all around the world, even terrorist sympathizers, can take advantage of the "birth tourism industry" at taxpayer expense and the refusal of Congress to correctly define the jurisdiction clause.

Estimates: 32% of illegals collect welfare. Women Infants and Children program increased 25% from ‘96-‘02. Govt. Social Services have latched on to this new client base which promotes welfare workers' job security.

"California’s Undocumented Latino Immigrants: A report on Access to Health Care Services” pg 38: 90% of illegal migrants lack non-government medical insurance. One third of the estimated 10 million uninsured children are Latino. (You the taxpayer pay their medical bills while $24 billion in remittances annually are sent to Mexico alone.)

61% of Latino surnamed students do NOT graduate from the Los Angeles Unified School District. California schools have gone from being in the top five in the nation in the 1980's to the bottom five today.

The result of low education skills:

Estimated 40,000 gang members in Los Angeles. Mayor Villaraigosa said on KTLA there are four times as many gang members as police; 44.8% of homicides in LA County are gang related, Latino gangs caused 25% of all homicides in 2000, gang related deaths for ages 15-19 increased 30%.
Estimated 60% of gangs are illegal aliens. Over 10% of Latin males 20-29 are in the criminal justice system. CA Dept. of Corrections states illegal aliens are over represented in prison, 25% are illegal in LA County system costing $1bil. annually. KTLA recently reported an estimated 400,000 gang members statewide.
It is time to stop the proliferation of the Third World in the United States.

Is this all lies... or true?
I would say some of it is exaggerated, but I don't doubt that much of it is true.  Some time back I was at the grocery store picking up a few things.  A Latino family in front of me had two small children and she was very pregnant with their third.  They used food stamps (or the modern day equivalent of that) to pay for their food, and I'm thinking, you can't even afford to feed the two kids you have and your wife is pregnant again?

I pay for my stuff and head out to the parking lot.  Come to find they were parked by me.  The family was getting into a Lincoln Navigator with 22" wheels/tires (~$5K worth is my guess) and a stereo system that rattles the windows from a block away.

I headed down the street to get some Coke because the grocery store doesn't have any cold stuff.  Just so happens they were stopping there as well.  I watch the guy get a wad of cash out of his pocket and get a MO to go to Mexico, and also buy a case of beer, for which he also paid cash.

About this time I'm thinking, how in the hell can you afford that Navigator, plus the money to Mexico, and still get government assistance?
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6742

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

i just read more info from that site i posted above... holy cow... no wonder cali is banged up...
http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/index … ;Itemid=10


FACTS
Illegal alien births: Approximately half of all births in Los Angeles County, 65% at Los Angeles County General Hospital, and 70% of all births at San Joaquin General Hospital. Now 10% of all births in the U.S. are to illegal aliens, about 385,000 annually. In California, 25% of all births are to illegal aliens, or about 300 births per day, one anchor baby born every five minutes in California.

84 hospitals, 65 emergency rooms and more than 70 acute care hospitals have closed in CA. in the last 10 years. $8.6 billion unreimbursed emergency care costs in 2007.

Most Californians do not know this, and the Democrat controlled Legislature is not going to tell them: Illegal aliens are paid 18 years of welfare checks for the anchor child in a child-only Cal-WORKS case, while federal regulation allows a five year maximum for citizens. (The initiative will prohibit the issuance of this welfare program to illegal aliens.)

From a NY Times Editorial referencing information from the Center for Disease Control:
Hispanic girls have the highest teen birth rate, twice the national average, one-quarter of the girls are mothers by age 20, 50% of those births are illegitimate, for El Salvadorans 73% illegitimacy, Jamaican 86%. The Latin teenage birthrate is the fastest growing segment of the United States population, three times more than white, 1.5 more than black. Unmarried Hispanic birthrate increasing faster than any other. Unmarried teenage births: Mexican, 93 births per 1,000, white 27 per 1K, Asian, 17, black, 65, Italy 6.9, Japan 3.9.

Statistics show that teenage pregnancy produces high school dropouts, increases the chances of the offspring dropping out, earning less, using welfare, belonging to a gang, and these children are eight times more likely to be incarcerated. This Third World birth rate puts us on the fast track to unstoppable family breakdown and an exploding, expanding permanent underclass in the United States.

Koreans fly expectant mothers to give birth in the U.S. Hundreds of thousands around the world are waiting with their birth certificates to return for permanent residency when the child turns 21. Women from nations all around the world, even terrorist sympathizers, can take advantage of the "birth tourism industry" at taxpayer expense and the refusal of Congress to correctly define the jurisdiction clause.

Estimates: 32% of illegals collect welfare. Women Infants and Children program increased 25% from ‘96-‘02. Govt. Social Services have latched on to this new client base which promotes welfare workers' job security.

"California’s Undocumented Latino Immigrants: A report on Access to Health Care Services” pg 38: 90% of illegal migrants lack non-government medical insurance. One third of the estimated 10 million uninsured children are Latino. (You the taxpayer pay their medical bills while $24 billion in remittances annually are sent to Mexico alone.)

61% of Latino surnamed students do NOT graduate from the Los Angeles Unified School District. California schools have gone from being in the top five in the nation in the 1980's to the bottom five today.

The result of low education skills:

Estimated 40,000 gang members in Los Angeles. Mayor Villaraigosa said on KTLA there are four times as many gang members as police; 44.8% of homicides in LA County are gang related, Latino gangs caused 25% of all homicides in 2000, gang related deaths for ages 15-19 increased 30%.
Estimated 60% of gangs are illegal aliens. Over 10% of Latin males 20-29 are in the criminal justice system. CA Dept. of Corrections states illegal aliens are over represented in prison, 25% are illegal in LA County system costing $1bil. annually. KTLA recently reported an estimated 400,000 gang members statewide.
It is time to stop the proliferation of the Third World in the United States.

Is this all lies... or true?
I would say some of it is exaggerated, but I don't doubt that much of it is true.  Some time back I was at the grocery store picking up a few things.  A Latino family in front of me had two small children and she was very pregnant with their third.  They used food stamps (or the modern day equivalent of that) to pay for their food, and I'm thinking, you can't even afford to feed the two kids you have and your wife is pregnant again?

I pay for my stuff and head out to the parking lot.  Come to find they were parked by me.  The family was getting into a Lincoln Navigator with 22" wheels/tires (~$5K worth is my guess) and a stereo system that rattles the windows from a block away.

I headed down the street to get some Coke because the grocery store doesn't have any cold stuff.  Just so happens they were stopping there as well.  I watch the guy get a wad of cash out of his pocket and get a MO to go to Mexico, and also buy a case of beer, for which he also paid cash.

About this time I'm thinking, how in the hell can you afford that Navigator, plus the money to Mexico, and still get government assistance?
If this keeps up... California may find itself in a bad financial situation.
Love is the answer
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6761|Salt Lake City

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

i just read more info from that site i posted above... holy cow... no wonder cali is banged up...
http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/index … ;Itemid=10


FACTS
Illegal alien births: Approximately half of all births in Los Angeles County, 65% at Los Angeles County General Hospital, and 70% of all births at San Joaquin General Hospital. Now 10% of all births in the U.S. are to illegal aliens, about 385,000 annually. In California, 25% of all births are to illegal aliens, or about 300 births per day, one anchor baby born every five minutes in California.

84 hospitals, 65 emergency rooms and more than 70 acute care hospitals have closed in CA. in the last 10 years. $8.6 billion unreimbursed emergency care costs in 2007.

Most Californians do not know this, and the Democrat controlled Legislature is not going to tell them: Illegal aliens are paid 18 years of welfare checks for the anchor child in a child-only Cal-WORKS case, while federal regulation allows a five year maximum for citizens. (The initiative will prohibit the issuance of this welfare program to illegal aliens.)

From a NY Times Editorial referencing information from the Center for Disease Control:
Hispanic girls have the highest teen birth rate, twice the national average, one-quarter of the girls are mothers by age 20, 50% of those births are illegitimate, for El Salvadorans 73% illegitimacy, Jamaican 86%. The Latin teenage birthrate is the fastest growing segment of the United States population, three times more than white, 1.5 more than black. Unmarried Hispanic birthrate increasing faster than any other. Unmarried teenage births: Mexican, 93 births per 1,000, white 27 per 1K, Asian, 17, black, 65, Italy 6.9, Japan 3.9.

Statistics show that teenage pregnancy produces high school dropouts, increases the chances of the offspring dropping out, earning less, using welfare, belonging to a gang, and these children are eight times more likely to be incarcerated. This Third World birth rate puts us on the fast track to unstoppable family breakdown and an exploding, expanding permanent underclass in the United States.

Koreans fly expectant mothers to give birth in the U.S. Hundreds of thousands around the world are waiting with their birth certificates to return for permanent residency when the child turns 21. Women from nations all around the world, even terrorist sympathizers, can take advantage of the "birth tourism industry" at taxpayer expense and the refusal of Congress to correctly define the jurisdiction clause.

Estimates: 32% of illegals collect welfare. Women Infants and Children program increased 25% from ‘96-‘02. Govt. Social Services have latched on to this new client base which promotes welfare workers' job security.

"California’s Undocumented Latino Immigrants: A report on Access to Health Care Services” pg 38: 90% of illegal migrants lack non-government medical insurance. One third of the estimated 10 million uninsured children are Latino. (You the taxpayer pay their medical bills while $24 billion in remittances annually are sent to Mexico alone.)

61% of Latino surnamed students do NOT graduate from the Los Angeles Unified School District. California schools have gone from being in the top five in the nation in the 1980's to the bottom five today.

The result of low education skills:

Estimated 40,000 gang members in Los Angeles. Mayor Villaraigosa said on KTLA there are four times as many gang members as police; 44.8% of homicides in LA County are gang related, Latino gangs caused 25% of all homicides in 2000, gang related deaths for ages 15-19 increased 30%.
Estimated 60% of gangs are illegal aliens. Over 10% of Latin males 20-29 are in the criminal justice system. CA Dept. of Corrections states illegal aliens are over represented in prison, 25% are illegal in LA County system costing $1bil. annually. KTLA recently reported an estimated 400,000 gang members statewide.
It is time to stop the proliferation of the Third World in the United States.

Is this all lies... or true?
I would say some of it is exaggerated, but I don't doubt that much of it is true.  Some time back I was at the grocery store picking up a few things.  A Latino family in front of me had two small children and she was very pregnant with their third.  They used food stamps (or the modern day equivalent of that) to pay for their food, and I'm thinking, you can't even afford to feed the two kids you have and your wife is pregnant again?

I pay for my stuff and head out to the parking lot.  Come to find they were parked by me.  The family was getting into a Lincoln Navigator with 22" wheels/tires (~$5K worth is my guess) and a stereo system that rattles the windows from a block away.

I headed down the street to get some Coke because the grocery store doesn't have any cold stuff.  Just so happens they were stopping there as well.  I watch the guy get a wad of cash out of his pocket and get a MO to go to Mexico, and also buy a case of beer, for which he also paid cash.

About this time I'm thinking, how in the hell can you afford that Navigator, plus the money to Mexico, and still get government assistance?
If this keeps up... California may find itself in a bad financial situation.
I'm obviously not from Cali, and it is going to be a problem here if something doesn't change.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6436|'Murka

Man With No Name wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:


I dont see it as being much different from retiring from the military and then getting your GS rating as a federal employee.
It would be more like retiring as a GS, drawing that pension, then getting re-hired as a GS again and continuing to draw that pension.
Parks served one branch of the city, the police department.  He retired from that and became a legislator.
I see. That wasn't clear from the OP.
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