dont come around here much eh?smuder201 wrote:
As i said in the OP i am trying to garner peoples opinions on all religions and whether they protect their clergy, i am not trying to clobber one particular religion, but the most well known are the abuses by Catholic priests around the world.
So what is your opinion on abuses of trust, by the clergy of it seems most religions, i know you said that they are crooks but the subject has moved along a bit since then, & i would be genuinely interested in what you think and how you think the problems can be tackled with in the laws of the countries concerned. Also how the religious leaders should react to the fact that the world is waking up to the fact of regular & systematic abuses by their clergy.usmarine2 wrote:
don't come around here much eh?
Nowhere in the Bible is celibacy required of clergy, yet the Catholic Church has mandated it. Why, I'm not sure, but the results make it obvious that it's not working. We were not created to be asexual beings.Lotta_Drool wrote:
IMO it just exposed what a fraud the religion is. They expect men to go without sex to be closer to god, yet look at what happened. Why? because there is no god.
it doesnt matter what I think. Until people stop following the invisible man in the clouds like a bunch of sheep, nothing will change.smuder201 wrote:
So what is your opinion on abuses of trust, by the clergy of it seems most religions, i know you said that they are crooks but the subject has moved along a bit since then, & i would be genuinely interested in what you think and how you think the problems can be tackled with in the laws of the countries concerned. Also how the religious leaders should react to the fact that the world is waking up to the fact of regular & systematic abuses by their clergy.usmarine2 wrote:
don't come around here much eh?
But people aren't going to stop believing in religion because their lives need filling with something to believe in and its easier to believe in as you put it the invisible man in the clouds, because all of their beliefs are written down for them so they don't have to think for themselves, or create their own belief system.usmarine2 wrote:
it doesn't matter what I think. Until people stop following the invisible man in the clouds like a bunch of sheep, nothing will change.smuder201 wrote:
So what is your opinion on abuses of trust, by the clergy of it seems most religions, i know you said that they are crooks but the subject has moved along a bit since then, & i would be genuinely interested in what you think and how you think the problems can be tackled with in the laws of the countries concerned. Also how the religious leaders should react to the fact that the world is waking up to the fact of regular & systematic abuses by their clergy.usmarine2 wrote:
don't come around here much eh?
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There are many things people need psychologically, but even if a person does need that hope of a next life, their belief in it does not make it true.smuder201 wrote:
Do you not think that people need hope in their boring everyday lives that one day the may reach heaven and be with their god, its a human trait that some of them need hope in some form or another & religion gives them that hope. I don't think they care what type of hope it is tbh.
How very true, but what about those countries that have state religions as we have here in the UK, but tbh most of us in the UK are atheists i think i read in a study not long ago that only 9% of the white population actually go to church. but as jamiecracker said the church of England let their priests marry. Also at Desert Fox please tell me how you would try to solve the problem of abuse in the worlds religions.Turquoise wrote:
Still, I would rather a person worship an invisible deity than the state.
Yet another member who needs a world religions class. Disagree if you like, but try not to talk down to people regarding something about which you know very little.smuder201 wrote:
Do you not think that people need hope in their boring everyday lives that one day the may reach heaven and be with their god, its a human trait that some of them need hope in some form or another & religion gives them that hope. I don't think they care what type of hope it is tbh.
Maybe you should learn not talk down to people and try to engage in debate rather than act like a fool that assumes that no-one but themselves is knowledgeable in the the worlds religions. I was asking people for a debate on child abuse in the worlds religions.Stingray24 wrote:
Yet another member who needs a world religions class. Disagree if you like, but try not to talk down to people regarding something about which you know very little.
His assessment seemed pretty true to me. Religion is mostly a consequence of the environment you are raised in. If you had been born in Saudi Arabia into a Muslim family, you'd probably be a devout Muslim rather than a devout Christian.Stingray24 wrote:
Yet another member who needs a world religions class. Disagree if you like, but try not to talk down to people regarding something about which you know very little.smuder201 wrote:
Do you not think that people need hope in their boring everyday lives that one day the may reach heaven and be with their god, its a human trait that some of them need hope in some form or another & religion gives them that hope. I don't think they care what type of hope it is tbh.