and? still didnt back up your statement at all. not even close.ZombieVampire! wrote:
Uh, marine..............
That's how they spend their days, killing mindlessly.
Must be therapeutic for them.
Must be therapeutic for them.
I think there's actually some historic evidence that supports Jesus' existence, that he was a dude who spread the word about stuff. Whether he could do kerrazy shit like turning water into wine is another story...usmarine2 wrote:
jesus was a real person according to the nutters in this worldsergeriver wrote:
Eh?lowing wrote:
a religion is a person.
The problem here is not to minimize this crime just because it happens in other places, but not to generalize about all Muslims.
Uh..............usmarine2 wrote:
and? still didnt back up your statement at all. not even close.ZombieVampire! wrote:
Uh, marine..............
In Europe, domestic violence is the major cause of death and disability for women aged 16 to 44.
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHZombieVampire! wrote:
Uh..............usmarine2 wrote:
and? still didnt back up your statement at all. not even close.ZombieVampire! wrote:
Uh, marine..............In Europe, domestic violence is the major cause of death and disability for women aged 16 to 44.
I said SHOW ME THE LAST TIME TWO WOMEN WERE EXECUTED FOR STEALING IN THE US??????????????????????
as you implied with your statement in the beginning of this thread. fuck sakes.
You honestly think not one of those people were killed by a spouse angry at "theft"?
gangs of men execute two women in the open?.......please show me or please just shut up and admit your statement was wrong.ZombieVampire! wrote:
You honestly think not one of those people were killed by a spouse angry at "theft"?
They didn't under cover of night. Hardly "in the open".
failrly close to houses as I can tell.
And your point is.............?
please show me an example in the US. or keep playing the word game. idk anymore.ZombieVampire! wrote:
And your point is.............?
The US doesn't have roaming militia groups with as much power as the Taliban. It also has greater urbanisation and a better police force. And yet despite that many women are treated just as poorly. Yet for some reason their deaths aren't worth discussion on this forum.
Why?
Why?
i'm so glad bubs is a lefty. He would drive me insane.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Is that a compliment or an insult?
Because it is not socially acceptable to kill people in the name of religion in the United States.ZombieVampire! wrote:
The US doesn't have roaming militia groups with as much power as the Taliban. It also has greater urbanisation and a better police force. And yet despite that many women are treated just as poorly. Yet for some reason their deaths aren't worth discussion on this forum.
Why?
If you really think that, you're a dolt.ZombieVampire! wrote:
The US doesn't have roaming militia groups with as much power as the Taliban. It also has greater urbanisation and a better police force. And yet despite that many women are treated just as poorly. Yet for some reason their deaths aren't worth discussion on this forum.
Why?
The US has roaming militia groups?
Besides which, they weren't killed in the name of religion. They were killed for selling sex to the enemy. Something like what you might have seen in Vichy France.
And given that these people were killed at night, I doubt the Taliban thought the locals would help.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Because it is not socially acceptable to kill people in the name of religion in the United States.ZombieVampire! wrote:
The US doesn't have roaming militia groups with as much power as the Taliban. It also has greater urbanisation and a better police force. And yet despite that many women are treated just as poorly. Yet for some reason their deaths aren't worth discussion on this forum.
Why?
Besides which, they weren't killed in the name of religion. They were killed for selling sex to the enemy. Something like what you might have seen in Vichy France.
Link proof or stuff it.ZombieVampire! wrote:
The US has roaming militia groups?And given that these people were killed at night, I doubt the Taliban thought the locals would help.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Because it is not socially acceptable to kill people in the name of religion in the United States.ZombieVampire! wrote:
The US doesn't have roaming militia groups with as much power as the Taliban. It also has greater urbanisation and a better police force. And yet despite that many women are treated just as poorly. Yet for some reason their deaths aren't worth discussion on this forum.
Why?
Besides which, they weren't killed in the name of religion. They were killed for selling sex to the enemy. Something like what you might have seen in Vichy France.
Of what they were killed for? It's in the article.
You're overlooking one important factor here. When the Taliban ran Afghanistan, that's when it was socially acceptable to kill prostitutes. Technically, there is a law still on the books in Afghanistan that converts out of Islam should be condemned to death as well.ZombieVampire! wrote:
The US doesn't have roaming militia groups with as much power as the Taliban. It also has greater urbanisation and a better police force. And yet despite that many women are treated just as poorly. Yet for some reason their deaths aren't worth discussion on this forum.
Why?
So really, this is a discussion of what's socially acceptable. It's not socially acceptable to beat your wife in America. Domestic abuse may still happen here, but it's prosecutable.
In places like Saudi Arabia, it's ok to beat your wife for certain things. There was even that highly publicized case of the female rape victim who might have gotten jailed for being with men other than her spouse and family. Had it not enraged the world outside, it would have been socially acceptable in Saudi Arabia to imprison her.
So, on this point, you really can't deny that a lot of Middle Eastern societies find it more acceptable to treat women like shit as compared to the West's treatment of women.
Which isn't what the OP was about.Turquoise wrote:
You're overlooking one important factor here. When the Taliban ran Afghanistan, that's when it was socially acceptable to kill prostitutes. Technically, there is a law still on the books in Afghanistan that converts out of Islam should be condemned to death as well.
Actually, it's often an open secret.Turquoise wrote:
So really, this is a discussion of what's socially acceptable. It's not socially acceptable to beat your wife in America. Domestic abuse may still happen here, but it's prosecutable.
And it's like that because of the government, which is propped up by the US.Turquoise wrote:
In places like Saudi Arabia, it's ok to beat your wife for certain things. There was even that highly publicized case of the female rape victim who might have gotten jailed for being with men other than her spouse and family. Had it not enraged the world outside, it would have been socially acceptable in Saudi Arabia to imprison her.
Of course. That comes with modernisation. They haven't modernised because those places which have attempted to have been stopped by the West.Turquoise wrote:
So, on this point, you really can't deny that a lot of Middle Eastern societies find it more acceptable to treat women like shit as compared to the West's treatment of women.
Of course, all of this is irrelevant:
The OP wasn't about how women in the ME have less rights. Ultimately, it wasn't even about what's socially acceptable. It was about two women who were murdered in violation of the law and in a manner which suggests those who did it were worried about the reaction of the average citizen. Further, they weren't murdered because they were women, they were murdered because their murderers believed they were cooperating with an occupying force.
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My mistake, they executed some burglars. Drool was debating the brutality of how they dealt with burglars.ZombieVampire! wrote:
Which isn't what the OP was about.Turquoise wrote:
You're overlooking one important factor here. When the Taliban ran Afghanistan, that's when it was socially acceptable to kill prostitutes. Technically, there is a law still on the books in Afghanistan that converts out of Islam should be condemned to death as well.
That's quite different from being acceptable. That's more just a case of cowardice and not letting the authorities know about the problem.ZombieVampire! wrote:
Actually, it's often an open secret.Turquoise wrote:
So really, this is a discussion of what's socially acceptable. It's not socially acceptable to beat your wife in America. Domestic abuse may still happen here, but it's prosecutable.
While the government is propped up by us, the religious police of Saudi Arabia are an institution supported by the people there. They have only vague connections to the Saudi regime and are somewhat autonomous.ZombieVampire! wrote:
And it's like that because of the government, which is propped up by the US.Turquoise wrote:
In places like Saudi Arabia, it's ok to beat your wife for certain things. There was even that highly publicized case of the female rape victim who might have gotten jailed for being with men other than her spouse and family. Had it not enraged the world outside, it would have been socially acceptable in Saudi Arabia to imprison her.
Tell that to the United Arab Emirates.ZombieVampire! wrote:
Of course. That comes with modernisation. They haven't modernised because those places which have attempted to have been stopped by the West.Turquoise wrote:
So, on this point, you really can't deny that a lot of Middle Eastern societies find it more acceptable to treat women like shit as compared to the West's treatment of women.
Selling sex to the enemy isn't a crime punishable by death here. It's probably punishable by imprisonment though.ZombieVampire! wrote:
Of course, all of this is irrelevant:
The OP wasn't about how women in the ME have less rights. Ultimately, it wasn't even about what's socially acceptable. It was about two women who were murdered in violation of the law and in a manner which suggests those who did it were worried about the reaction of the average citizen. Further, they weren't murdered because they were women, they were murdered because their murderers believed they were cooperating with an occupying force.
I've just come back from Turkey.
If some guy i was chatting to at the bar was to be believed, Turkey is 97% Muslim.
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They drink, smoke, watch porn, run around without being covered in veils, and *GASP* didn't behead, stone or shoot anyone.
But remember kids, ALL Muslims are bad. They want your blood. Ask m3th.
If some guy i was chatting to at the bar was to be believed, Turkey is 97% Muslim.
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They drink, smoke, watch porn, run around without being covered in veils, and *GASP* didn't behead, stone or shoot anyone.
But remember kids, ALL Muslims are bad. They want your blood. Ask m3th.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella