BF2S Forums STOP WHINING...The Truth as You Should All Know It

superfly_cox wrote:

Alright, here's the deal.  I wish people would stop complaining about this game.  The new 1.2 patch addressed a whole lot of things and the game actually feels right now.  All in all, this is a great game, one of the best i've ever played.  Here's what I think they've gotten right:

Airplanes/AA: AA is improved but honestly, good pilots are still kicking ass.  Flares buy you enough time to get out of range so unless there is multiple coordinated AA defense, flying in planes are still a good bet.  If you are complaining about this then it means you're not very good at flying because there were still pilots getting 30-2 kd ratios in games i have played.

Support: I don't use support much but i've tried out the PKM and I am so pleased that it is now able to mow down people as it should.  This class was underpowered and now it feels better.  I don't care much for the ammo bags cause points are a hollow thrill for me.  I do like reviving players but getting points for someone running over your ammo bag doesn't get my willy wonking.

Sniper: Finally a reason to use this class.  I still don't think you can dominate with this kit but you can at least have fun with it now.  The claymores are way more potent due to their increased usage potential.  increased accuracy in sniper rifle is a no-brainer.  I mean how can you give someone a bolt action rifle that doesn't kill in one shot and not give them great accuracy?  I don't know too many players in BF2 who aren't in constant motion (if you don't know this then you're new to the game) so you'd better make the gun damn accurate to make it possible to hit targets on the run.

Assault: GL is toned down.  I think this fixes one of the biggest exploits in the game: "noob tubing".  This class has take a step backwards now and is probably underpowered but hey...if you want machine gun firepower then use the support kit!!!

Engineer: as an armor "connoisseur", i've always loved the engineer class but there's not much use to it unless you use armor.  Now that mines only hit enemies, this is a great class for the defensive role.  Drop 5 mines in strategic locations where you know armor will role around and I guarantee you will get 3 or more kills so long as you don't die for a while.  This class is essential in order to keep armor in check.  Also, with the shotgun you've got great close quarters abilities so I think that engineers should be more and more popular in Karkand...mine the entrance into the city and then hang back in the alleys to take out the infantry that pours through...

Spec Ops: hurt a bit by the fact that you can't throw C4.  I think this sucks but c'est la vie.  I would like to see this class powered up a bit but I still think SO is a formidable class.

Dolphin Diving/Bunny Jumping: FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is truly a great game.  Whatever bugs still exist are practically inconsequential to game play...a slight annoyance at best (and yes i've seen the friendly fire bug plenty of times).  Its been many months now and I'm still playing BF2 which is a first for me.  I don't want DICE to start changing the game around just for the sake of change cause there will always be complainers.  Bravo EA/DICE, its not perfect but i still love the patch.

Last edited by IfCShoot (2006-02-19 22:36:21)

ComradeWho wrote:

when you decide to mess with the balance set forth in the initial game release you are getting into a big can of worms, because community griping always produces poorly designed patches hastily released which create more problems than they fix
anybody remember then they patched AA to make it less effective due to whining? ohhh yeah, gee, that worked out well.
it was really senseless to mess with the nade launcher.. calling it "nube tubing" because it's effective and easy to use is ridiculous - it's the assault class, it's supposed to own your little ass at close range 9 out of 10 times with ease. that's the whole point of it - it goes and clears out things - that is it's strength and role - that's why they called it assault.. ahhh.. ohhh.. oooo!!! wow makes so much sense, maybe too much huh? appearantly it did. well now that class is effectively useless, nobody plays with it and as a result infantry combat is dramatically different. we have half snipers, half support - and that's basically it. spec ops no longer is the most powerful tool against tanks (hey who cares about balance when we can make some pathetic old vets who never saw c4 used that way feel more like they're back with the MEU).. and as for anti - tank, why? so you can get sniped with your slow movement or mowed down before you get close enough to use your DAO against the guy with the monster PKM.. and why even be medic when you can get the uber kills and the team points of the support class that gets a point every time a team mate changes a clip. as for assault - like we said, why? nade launcher is no longer the strongest close range weapon (of course it should be but it isn't now, idiots), so why be that class? you can't get as many kills with it and it has no team point bonuses like medic or support.. so that leaves us with sniper and support as i already said and if you'be played then you know first hand for yourself.. which means that the two strongest and most played classes are the ones that stay static from a distance and kill people who wander into their crosshaids - you know what this sounds like? sounds like a patch that was made to cater to all the crappy players who just wanted to log on for half an hour and kill something, because that's what we've got know - a game based on getting the effortless kill. if you're not one of these classes or armor then you are just a poor sucker wandering around the map trying to get to/from a flag waiting to come into the crosshairs of one of the thousands of mediocre players who have just been given a gift from the gaming gods..

it's really "neat" and "fun" to talk about "realism" and the classes in abstract, but the cold hard truth of the matter is that everything should be based on creating balance through specialized niches. and the cold hard truth is that the game's balance is gone, infantry combat is radically altered and cheapened, and it wasn't really bad before unless you had less than 10,000 global points and were too much of a retard to learn to play more effectively. you improve games by looking at how it's played and making it better, not saying how it "ought to be played" and trying to conform everything to that, and not by making everything easy and catering to the worst players desire to do well (because when you do that you make it easier for good players to own anyways). not to mention that a lot of what was said in the original post was just plain inaccurate.