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DonFck wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Isn't the U.S. economic history a long tale of ups and downs?

The economic history of the western world, you mean?

The current system works like that, everywhere. And no one has said that it's the only system there is, it's just the system that evolved from industrialization.

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The main problem seems to be, that during this short period of time (200 years?), we still haven't figured out how to even up the curve. Or is it that the peak is too tempting to resist?

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rub wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

rub wrote:

Europe is still doing much better then the US!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahahaha.... thanks for that...  you crack me up...

See that's the the AMERICAN PROBLEM! Ignorance and overassesment

Kmarion wrote:

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Yeah and when the oil runs out/people start paying in Euros you'll be free to fuck up your economy without affecting ours.

Typical. Now for the real reason. Less spending by American consumers means less demand for Asian and European exports. Basic stuff.

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Sorry Kmarion, you may not want to face the truth but as soon as the US stops controlling oil, they lose the only thing that guarantees their "richest economy" status.  Oil has provided the US with a free meal ticket since WW2 but like any good thing it won't last forever I'm afraid.

......look out here come China and India!!!

Yeah and do you know why America can import so many European/Asian exports for them to buy?  Do you know that the US is the only country in the World able to import more than in exports (i.e make a loss) and why that is the case?

Consumer Spending

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As Congress Considers A Growth Plan, Certain Principles Must Guide Its DeliberationsThe growth package:

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• A single mom with two children and $30,000 in earnings would see her taxes go up by 67 percent.   
• An elderly couple with $40,000 in income would see their taxes go up by about 155 percent.   
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In September, the President and his Administration launched a new initiative at the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) called FHASecure. FHASecure expands the FHA's ability to offer refinancing by giving it the flexibility to work with homeowners who have good credit histories but cannot afford their current payments. By the end of 2008, the FHA expects this program to help more than 300,000 families refinance their homes.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Alphonso Jackson have facilitated the private-sector HOPE NOW alliance. HOPE NOW has developed a plan under which up to 1.2 million homeowners could be eligible for assistance. This plan will help subprime borrowers who can afford the current, starter rate on a subprime loan, but would not be able to make the higher payments once the interest rate goes up.

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The President has called on Congress since August to complete work on responsible legislation modernizing the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). This bill will give FHA the necessary flexibility to help hundreds of thousands of additional families qualify for prime-rate financing.

Congress needs to pass legislation permitting State and local governments to help troubled borrowers by issuing tax-exempt bonds for refinancing existing home loans. Under current law, cities and States can issue tax-exempt bonds to finance new mortgages for first-time homebuyers, but States are unable to do the same for homeowners seeking to refinance.

Congress needs to pass legislation to reform Government Sponsored Enterprises (GSEs) like Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. GSEs provide liquidity to the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital that they operate safely and soundly. The President has called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs and ensures they focus on their important housing mission.

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Kmarion wrote:

clogar wrote:

the dollar is worth like 50 cents right now

The Canadian Dollar grows every time we cut the rates. The American dollar has a lower yield, but hopefully Canadians will inject some of it back into the US economy when they start demanding cheaper US goods.

rub wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

rub wrote:

See that's the the AMERICAN PROBLEM! Ignorance and overassesment

You saying that Europe is doing better than the US... just made me laugh... your statement was ignorant and an over assessment...



I work and pay my bills... and I realize that things will be challenging economically...

nothing against Europe... I'm positive that all of you work very hard also...

Okay Cowboy,whatever! You will see!