Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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Having read through several thread regarding guns there is a LOT of misunderstanding and misinformation flying around.  For those of you who are not gun savvy, here is a short list.  This is by no means exhaustive because I’m trying to keep it basic because there are many other options in modern firearms.

Pistol actions
Single action (SA) - Only releases the hammer to strike the round in the chamber.  To fire another round, the hammer must be re-cocked. 
https://www5f.biglobe.ne.jp/~ssbohe/ranged/ranged_cg_peacemaker.jpg
Single action automatic  - The hammer must be cocked before the first round is fired.  The movement of the slide cocks the hammer for each shot that follows. 
https://www.beaglexp.com/archives/Dirty%20Action%20380%201.JPG
Double action (DA) - Performs two functions, cocking and releasing the hammer when the trigger is pulled.  Cocking the hammer manually is not required to fire the first shot.  Double action revolvers are capable of being cocked between each shot if the shooter desires.
https://www.rs.ejercito.mil.ar/Contenido/Nro657/Imagenes_657/85.jpg
Double action only (DAO)   - Similar to a DA revolver trigger mechanism but there is no single action function. For semi-automatic pistols with a regular hammer, the hammer returns to its decocked position after each shot. For striker-fired pistols, the striker is stationary through the reloading cycle.
https://www.kyimports.com/images/SW5946.jpg
Double action/single action (DA/SA)   - The H&K USP is a good example.  I owned one of these, hence the example.  On many DA/SA pistols there's the option to cock the hammer before firing the first shot.  This removes the heavy pull of the double-action on the first shot. Also, there is usually a de-cocker to put the pistol back to double-action.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/HK_USP_45.jpg

Rifle and shotgun actions

Bolt action  – Opening and closing of the breech are controlled by manually cycling the bolt.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/Openboltcropped.jpg

Break action – The barrel on this type of weapon is hinged which allows the stock to rotate downward to allow loading and unloading of rounds. 
https://www.impactguns.com/store/media/spartan/spar_mainpage.jpg

Lever action – Uses a lever located around the trigger guard area (often including the trigger guard itself) to load a fresh round when the lever is moved downward and back up to locking position. 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Winchester_rifle_grko474_rifle.jpg

Pump action or slide action - The handgrip under the barrel can be pumped back and forth in order to eject and chamber a round. 
https://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/pics/shotguns/870_pair.jpg

Semi-automatic – One pull of the trigger fires one round.  This is a very popular action for countless hunting rifles and shotguns.  It reduces recoil and provides the convenience of not having to slide a handgrip to chamber another round.

Fully automatic – Typical firing mode for a military assault rifle.  Holding down the trigger will fire the weapon until the magazine is empty.  Many times the weapon has a switch to select fully automatic, a burst of rounds, or semi-automatic.  Well known examples would be the AK-47, Colt M16, and the HK G36.   

Machine gun – Rounds are fed into the weapon by a linked belt and the weapon can be fired fully automatic or in bursts controlled by the shooter. 

Heavy machine guns fire rifle rounds and are belt-fed.  Light machineguns fire smaller rifle rounds and are typically belt fed or box fed, but early light machineguns were magazine fed. 

Submachine gun – Fires a pistol round in fully automatic, burst, or semiautomatic modes depending on the model.  Well known examples would be the HK MP5, Thompson submachinegun, and the FN P90.
Ayumiz
J-10 whore
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Nice overview. +1
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
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Who doesn't know this?  I cannot imagine anyone who plays BF2 not knowing this.  Other than that, good job-nice simple explanation.
Major.League.Infidel
Make Love and War
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Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Who doesn't know this?  I cannot imagine anyone who plays BF2 not knowing this.  Other than that, good job-nice simple explanation.
Oh I'm sure there are hundreds, if not thousands of people on this website alone that don't know this.  Mainly the younger crowd.  All they learn is what they see in movies or games.  They don't actually know what it means, just that Semi means one and auto means a bunch.
Defiance
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+438|7119

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Who doesn't know this?  I cannot imagine anyone who plays BF2 not knowing this.  Other than that, good job-nice simple explanation.
Look at me mom, I played a video game so I'm an expert on the mechanics of a firearm!

No.

Last edited by Defiance (2007-05-02 22:01:42)

bonedoc69
Member
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Nice! Is the bolt action a remmington 270?
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6843|The Gem Saloon
great fucking post man.

colt SAA>ME

single action FTW!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited by Parker (2007-05-02 22:20:32)

sexecuti0ner
What kinda guy are you are?
+148|6680

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Who doesn't know this?  I cannot imagine anyone who plays BF2 not knowing this.  Other than that, good job-nice simple explanation.
I'm 19 and most of the people I know don't have any idea about this stuff.  Defiance and Major.League were right, most of the people I know have only the things from movies and video games to educate them about guns and other weapons.  Having grown up growing hunting and shooting clays, etc, I knew some of what the topic creator was talking about, but not all of it.  I just hope the people that don't know about the actions of different firearms DO know some degree of safety regarding weapons.

Last edited by sexecuti0ner (2008-06-17 11:06:22)

Parker
isteal
+1,452|6843|The Gem Saloon

sexecuti0ner wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Who doesn't know this?  I cannot imagine anyone who plays BF2 not knowing this.  Other than that, good job-nice simple explanation.
I'm 19 and most of the people I know don't have any idea about this stuff.  Defiance and Major.League were right, most of the people I know have only the things from movies and video games to educate them about guns and other weapons.  Having grown up growing hunting and shooting clays, etc, I knew some of what the topic creator was talking about, but not all of it.  I just hope the people that don't know about the actions of different firearms DO know some degree of safety regarding weapons.
i like this guy^
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7228|Great Brown North

Parker wrote:

sexecuti0ner wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Who doesn't know this?  I cannot imagine anyone who plays BF2 not knowing this.  Other than that, good job-nice simple explanation.
I'm 19 and most of the people I know don't have any idea about this stuff.  Defiance and Major.League were right, most of the people I know have only the things from movies and video games to educate them about guns and other weapons.  Having grown up growing hunting and shooting clays, etc, I knew some of what the topic creator was talking about, but not all of it.  I just hope the people that don't know about the actions of different firearms DO know some degree of safety regarding weapons.
i like this guy^
so do i, and im like him, alot of the people i know only learn things about guns from games and movies... i learned about them from a very young age from my dad... the problem with people like that is they're usualy not safe with guns, which is where the accidents come from
Coolbeano
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What I still don't get is why people in movies and on TV cock the hammer when they're "serious".
Karbin
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If you REALLY want to screw 'em up, try explaining open bolt firing (SMG's etc) virs closed bolt firing.

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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You're right, Karbin. There is so much more we could discuss here.  Open bolt vs closed bolt, single set and double set triggers, and the list goes on.  If you or anyone else want to add more detail to the discussion, feel free.  I'm sure we have members here who know far more than I do.  Always fun to learn more. 

Bonedoc: It's a Winchester Model 70, unfortunately, not mine.  

Coolbeano: On the practical side, the hammer being cocked gives the shooter a much shorter and easier trigger pull which would likely make the shot more accurate, too.  But on TV or in the movies I think it's just the standard signal that you'll be receiving lead very shortly if you don’t talk or give up the secret code.

I’d encourage anyone who has not taken a hunter’s safety course to do so.  If you have a chance many local gun shops have courses which also teach firearm safety and educate a person on how to handle a weapon properly.  When I took hunter's safety most of the guys had been shooting for years already because our fathers had taught us, but we could not legally hunt until passing the course. 

I remember very clearly when the hunter safety instructor passed a rifle, shotgun, and pistol down the rows of students.  One row was girls, the other guys.  He instructed us to open the action, check to make sure the weapon was not loaded and then pass the weapon to the next guy with the action open.  The guys got the shotgun and pistol and the girls got a bolt action rifle with a scope.  Unknown to us, the instructor had put a blank round in the rifle.  It got ¾ of the way down the row of girls and the instructor took the rifle from the girl holding it and asked, “Did you do what I told you to do?  I don’t think any of you opened the bolt.”  Then he took aim down the scope and fired off the blank, scaring the crap out of the girls.   Yes, he was picking on the girls who didn’t know anything, but he proved a very valid point. Even if you don’t like to shoot a weapon, educate yourself so you’ll be prepared to safely handle one if needed.
SEREMAKER
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great job Stingray24 +1 to you
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Karbin
Member
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Thanks Stingray... 

Ok, Open Bolt.

Most commonly used on SMG's (sub-machine guns). Example types are the Sten gun and MP38/40.
Bolt in the rear position, gun is cocked.
Pull the trigger, sear is depressed, bolt is driven forward by the Main spring.
As the bolt passes the magazine well it picks up a round the same as any auto loading weapon.
Now, here's the difference.

Most SMG's use a Fixed firing pin, I.E. the pin is part of the bolt face and never re-tracks.
As the action of the bolt moving forward picks up the round it is also guided into the Breach.
The round, when seated in the Breach, stops.
The Bolt moves forward, the extractor engages and the fixed firing pin hits the primer.
Bullet go's down  the barrel and the expanding gases push the Bolt backwards, ejecting the spent round.
The Breach and Bolt face never meet. As opposed to most rifles.
This is why it's called "Open Bolt"

A good rule of thumb is, If the Bolt starts in the rearward position, It's an Open Bolt firing weapon.


And YES.......Take the course. Even if you Don't plain on getting a firearm.
Knowledge is a good thing.

Last edited by Karbin (2007-05-04 06:15:31)

Defiance
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Coolbeano wrote:

What I still don't get is why people in movies and on TV cock the hammer when they're "serious".
I remember in an old James Bond (I think) the poorly payed guard cocked his gun at least four times before firing the first shot.

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