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steelie34 wrote:

siciliano732 wrote:

like this one.... http://www.hoc-clan.com

shameless self-promotion, i love it

lol...you know me too well. when you joining?

like this one.... http://www.hoc-clan.com

funny. thanks.

researching and prepping for my interview in NYC in the morning....somethings are far more important than blowing my time and money on alcohol.

the sun rises in the east and sets in....THE WEST!

Interesting how, if you attend a church and a pastor is preaching these types of topics...if you didnt agree with him...wouldnt you leave? 

Why has Obama continued to attend.  Interesting.

Or maybe it was his wife's comment about how she is proud of the US for the first time ever for their support of her hubby.  Interesting.

Magpie wrote:

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you could kick someone in da mouf wit dose!

buLLet_t00th wrote:

siciliano732 wrote:

Liverpool vs Arsenal is going to be an awesome match...i hope they show it here in the US on FSN or ESPN.

Don't know about that......when English teams meet they're usually quite nervous games, with only one or two goals.

Might be different this time around, but IDK!

EXACTLY! Thats what i love about soccer/football/futbol/calcio....One goal can do it.  That Roma vs Man Utd will be another good one.

Liverpool vs Arsenal is going to be an awesome match...i hope they show it here in the US on FSN or ESPN.

CameronPoe wrote:

lol. You're as bad as the 9/11 conspiracists.

I am not saying these are things i believe. I am saying i am playing devils advocate to open discussion and get people thinking.  I do not care who you vote for or what have you, it doenst matter to me.  I am just playing the "What If?" card to see what peoples opinions and thoughts are on the topic.

Isotoners Slippers baby!

Here is what i have been talking about and the idea i have been presenting to you guys, the idea that if you denounce Islam you are to be killed and because he was born into Islam (one parent was of the faith), he the is as well:

"Yes a Muslim can become a Christian the Qur'an states a Muslim is allowed to lie to a infidel if it is needed to achieve a goal for Allah. They problem is Obama is a "fitri murtad" in the eyes of Islam if he has converted to the Christian faith. The reason why Muslims is not following this passage in the Qur'an and not being outraged by Obama's professed apostasy, is bringing questions to his true religious beliefs since his "Christian Church" has honored the Muslim Louis Farrakhan with its highest honor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNEfEBYI...

http://www.al-islam.org/organizations/Aa...

A fitri murtad is one who was born of Muslim parents (or at least one parent) and then rejects Islam. If he rejects Islam, then, according to the fatawa of our maraji (including Ayatullahs al-Khu'i and Khumayni) he is to be killed."

AGAIN...JUST IDEAS TO THINK ABOUT.

Masques wrote:

siciliano732 wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

So what if his church doesn't require him to denounce Islam or be baptised

you dont think its weird that he never had to denounce Islam, a faith that hates Christianity, and if you do so as denounce Islam, you are to be killed.  If he is not a Islamic follower, why would he not denounce it?  Plus once born into the Islamic faith, which he was, you cannot just back out of that.

DEVILS ADVOCATE PEOPLE....I AM JUST PROPOSING IDEAS TO THINK ABOUT! DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL AND GET WORKED UP OVER IT.

Why would he have to denounce a faith that he is not a member of? And if you've gone to Church for the last 20 odd years then I'd say you're a fucking Christian.

And the only insurgency I see popping up domestically if Obama becomes Prez is the inbred, fuck-nut, ignorant, backwoods, kill-the-ni**er, racist type...ya dig?

yea i dig.  The fact that is against muslim law to stop being a Muslim, has not been touched upon yet by anyone.  Just argued that they are not of a faith yet certain documents have a "faith" on it.

FEOS wrote:

1. His mother wasn't Muslim. So at best, he was born "half Muslim". Maybe a playground beating as a kid took care of the punishment for conversion, since he wasn't completely Muslim (which is an idiotic description anyway, as there are no unique Muslim genetic markers).

That is because it is the Fathers religious views that hold true in the Islamic faith.  Who knows, couldve been part of the reason they devorced in the first place.  But then why did both the father and mother remarry Muslims?

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

fair, but he is just too wishy washy for me. 
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1779141

interesting article.

how is the fact that when he was in school he circled that he was Muslum/Islamic when he had to circle his faith.  His mother and he did not circle Protestant and would have if it was so.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon212.htm

Mek-Izzle wrote:

siciliano732 wrote:

LaidBackNinja wrote:

The irony. Oh, the irony. You just complained that Obama MIGHT BE A MUSLIM, so he shouldn't be president. I don't think a muslim could hold office in the U.S. Neither could a jew or a buddhist. Or even an athiest. The U.S. pretty much only allows Christians to run for office.

right, as stated in my long post above...he is part of a church and claims to be christian yet, the church he belongs to never once has him denounce Islam, or be baptized.  ^^ read my post above.

So what if his church doesn't require him to denounce Islam or be baptised

you dont think its weird that he never had to denounce Islam, a faith that hates Christianity, and if you do so as denounce Islam, you are to be killed.  If he is not a Islamic follower, why would he not denounce it?  Plus once born into the Islamic faith, which he was, you cannot just back out of that.

DEVILS ADVOCATE PEOPLE....I AM JUST PROPOSING IDEAS TO THINK ABOUT! DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL AND GET WORKED UP OVER IT.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

siciliano732 wrote:

Are there any constitutions that mandate that only a Christian can hold office, or a Buddhist or a Jew?

The irony. Oh, the irony. You just complained that Obama MIGHT BE A MUSLIM, so he shouldn't be president. I don't think a muslim could hold office in the U.S. Neither could a jew or a buddhist. Or even an athiest. The U.S. pretty much only allows Christians to run for office.

right, as stated in my long post above...he is part of a church and claims to be christian yet, the church he belongs to never once has him denounce Islam, or be baptized.  ^^ read my post above.

CameronPoe wrote:

siciliano732 wrote:

what if its true though?  are we on the brink of the allegations stated above?

The allegations are ludicrous.

a) There are only a tiny percentage of Muslims in the US.

b) Obama is Christian.

c) If (this is ludicrous) Obama turned around and turned into some Ayatollah-monster then he would be impeached for treason or assassinated.

d)  Muslims hate each other more than they hate the west almost. How you can believe that a secret network of Muslim 'sleepers' all across America can conspire together to bring down a country where everyone owns a gun is beyond me!!

I read some articles that described that since born into the muslim faith, if you denounce it, you will be killed. The following is an article from someone from Pakistan describing these things:

"Read the Quran and tell me if you think ITS views jive at all with our constitution. Islam is a political religion, unlike the other relgions that are personal. Islam is all about politics. Are there any officially Christian states or officially Buddhist states or Hindi states? I don't think there are. (Vatican City, I'll give that one.) Are there any constitutions that mandate that only a Christian can hold office, or a Buddhist or a Jew? I don't think so. But check out the constitutions of Islamic states.

They're called 'Islamic' states for a reason. They follow Islamic teachings as put forth in the Quran and Mohammed. I don't think Obama is Muslim, and if he was and converted, good for him and I'm fine with it. But a practicing Muslim can simply not uphold the constitution of the United States of America. The two contradict each other. If you live long enough you'll probably see Britain and Belgium and Denmark and even Norway and sharia has wiped out the Eurpeon culture. It'll happen...someday. Do you want that to happen to America?"

It is true, the Muslim faith teaches hatred of the Western World and all those who oppose it. It also teaches to kill all those who oppose. As for Obama, he says he is a Christian...if he is GREAT. But the problem lies in the fact he has never denounced Islam. To do so would mean death. As a reference to my comments i present this dialogue between a man Usama. For those of you who do not know Usama, he is an Egyptian Christian, educated in Egypt, fluent in Arabic, and a graduate of the Southern Baptist Seminary in New Orleans. For more information go to his website www.thestraightway.org

This is Usama's Note of the dialogue with Obama's Church "The United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois":

"Subject: Usama's note

A Truth To Know

I called The United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois, where Senator Obama is a member. I doubted that he was indeed a Christian for if he were Muslim and left the religion of Islam, according to Islamic law, he would be subject to a death warrant by Islam itself. Many such murders take place around this world to Muslims who have left Islam. However in this case the Muslims are joyously happy to think that we would have a Muslim President in the White House. Obama is deceiving America. Muslims would not be endorsing a Muslim who left Islam to become a Christian.

It is important to note that I had four witnesses to this conversation with Obama's church on the phone. The dates and time and the length of conversation can be verified by phone records.

The following is the conversation I had with the church regarding membership in the church.

'My name is Usama, and I am from Egypt. I want to join the church.' 'I need to ask you some questions please.'

They connected me to the membership department. I proceeded to ask questions that only a Muslim would ask. 'What is the difference between Baptist and your church?'

She answered, 'We believe exactly what Baptists believe.'

My second question was, 'How big is your church and what kind of church is it?'

Her answer was, 'We are a Black African American church and we have 6000 members.

I asked her, 'Do I have to attend Sunday school classes and other meetings to be a member?' She said, 'No, that is not necessary.'

I asked, 'Do I have to be baptized to join the church?'

Her answer was 'NO.'

I asked, 'Do I have to give money to join the church?' She answered 'NO.'

I went on to ask her how do I join the church?...she replied, ' You need to attend two Sunday school membership classes in a row and then you need to walk the aisle.'

I said, 'That sounds easy.' 'Now one last question please.'

'IF I AM A MUSLIM AND I BELIEVE IN PROPHET MOHAMMED, PEACE BE UPON HIM, AND I ALSO BELIEVE IN JESUS, PEACE BE UPON HIM,

DO I HAVE TO GIVE UP MY ISLAMIC FAITH TO BE A MEMBER IN YOUR CHURCH?' SHE REPLIED, 'NO, WE HAVE MANY MEMBERS IN OUR CHURCH WHO ARE MUSLIM.

'I ASKED HER, 'IS THAT HOW SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA BECAME A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH?'

THERE WAS A DEAD SILENT MOMENT. AND THEN I SAID THAT I KNEW HIS FATHER AND STEPFATHER ARE MUSLIM: HIS GRANDFATHERS AND GRANDMOTHERS ARE MUSLIMS: HIS UNCLES AND AUNTS, NEPHEWS AND NIECES AND COUSINS ARE MUSLIM. EVERYONE IN HIS FAMILY IN KENYA ARE MUSLIMS.

She replied to me, 'I am sorry I cannot answer this question for you.'

I could sense she was uncomfortable to go on further with me.

I ended the conversation by saying to her, 'YOUR CHURCH HAS DONE GREAT HARM TO THIS COUNTRY BY COVERING A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING, AND THAT WOLF IS

I ASK YOU FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE ATTENTION OF THIS FRAUD TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...."

Lastly, to answer the question "Was Barrack Obama a Muslim" I direct you to this article which is a follow up article to the original (The first link in the article, or if you would like me to send it to you ask me. I have it.)

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

I would love to have an open dialogue on this if you all are interested. If not, then just read through and consider what I said, but also understand as im sure you will...thats its my point of view. I hope the above response answers your questions and what not. Also, let me say again....IM NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS GUY...IM POSTING IT TO HEAR RESPONSES AND OPEN DIALOGUE.

Sic

what if its true though?  are we on the brink of the allegations stated above?

loubot wrote:

If Obama was prez and he made it a federal law that Islam should be part of public school's curriculum, then we have problems.

who is to say its not possible?

and Cam...why?

ghettoperson wrote:

You aren't actually posting that as a serious idea are you?

no, i am posting it as dialogue.  to hear peoples input and point of view and what this guys said.

geNius wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

Diesel > All.

I hope that's a joke.
http://www.ohlalaparis.com/photos/uncat … 281006.jpg

lol. rough.

Parker wrote:

sounds like paranoia to me....not surprising since he was a spook.
they are kinda taught to over analyze everything.




besides, when they bring it here, i got some special stuff i have been saving for em

thatta boi....thats why your on my xfire. answer to all the worlds problems. you should run as an independent.

Express Jeans without a doubt...all i wear.

So i was talking with a war vet yesterday at random and were just talking about politics and the US government and economy and what not and here is kinda what was said:


so obama gets in house, talked with a old vet of spook work for those of you who do not know what spook refers to its mostly cia covert ops that the government have little control over lol. neway thias gentleman was on a hour long rant about if obama gets in the holy war will engage on usa soil. he stated that even though he denies being radical muslim, both parnets were. and he think obama is the last sleeper once in house choices will be made that will drive the country into civil war. the mass majority of muslim peoples in this country all the gangs all the extreme left and right wings will be defiant in choices obama will make. he also predicts that within two years u will see a mass insurgency of radicals appear in all states, thus releasing the jihad uppon our soil. now heres is where i asked him well it cant be can it? our country has laws and policies to who can become president right? he simply replied if the terminator can run california who do you think our enemy can get to run our country?. i sat dumbfounded almost drooling becasue it released a million thoughts at once becasue it made sooo much sense. now this is no were near a racial or anti muslim rant such as the clinton campaign is persuing, this is a very good thought, and i had to write. just imagine a sleeper put in place years up[on years ago waiting for this one point, some can say the point of no return....

Ayumiz wrote:

http://www.churchhopping.com/wp-content … -satan.jpg

Yes. God is a racist as defined by man. Now then u know. He also hates gays... He destroyed cities like Sodom and Gomorrah. From Sodom, the word Sodomy is formed....

The first 2 commandments are about God... He also mentions that he is a jealous God and he does not condone worship of other gods.

Found this on another forum

These are my thoughts and beliefs:

When all is said and done, Satan will have destroyed and is destroying far greater numbers than any biblical holy war.  Satan in his nature destroys  man kind through sin.  Christ, died on the cross to save us from sin and ultimately saving us from eternal death.  Our earthly bodies are only here for our earthly lives, once we die, we stand before God and he will judge us.  Those who have not accepted him as their personal savior will be cast into hell for eternity (ultimately Satan's doing due to the sin in the life of the individual).

Conserning gays, God hates the sin, not the individual but the decision is ultimately the individuals to make, hence free will.

I know im goin to get flamed for my beliefs but if you want to have a civilized conversation i will listen to your side without a problem.  I may not agree but I can respect your point of view.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

gas is only going to go higher

i heard on i forget what radio station say the other day that, if everyone would cut back one tank of gas a month, the price of the barrel would drop significantly.

I feel like that is doable.  One tank of gas?!  If you drive to work, maybe there is someone to car pool with, or combine trips, like while your out somewhere do multiple tasks at once. I dont know, im going to try it though.  If everyone did the oil companies would have no choice but to drop prices.

Secondly, as far as the recession goes, the mortgage companies need to stop being so damn greedy and giving a house to people on food stamps.

...this stupidity pisses me off.  Our dollar is crap, we are borrowing money from companies instead of the other way around, things are not lookin good.

Edit: Spelling.

The#1Spot wrote:

siciliano732 wrote:

no way. first of all...im too cheap for that.  Second i have a girlfriend.  third....paying for sex is for the people who cant get any, which i am a firm believer that there is someone out there for everyone so if you really wanted to...you can find a significant other and get all the sex you want.

paying for sex = fail...just like my governor. lol.

so i guess you fail. Gf aren't free you know

its different. im not paying for the sex....

...lord knows, those three minutes wouldnt keep any woman around. lol!

i love my Vista 64 system with 4GB.  No problems what so ever.

and i only paid $75 for Ultimate

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Nope.  I get all the disease free lovin' I need from my wife.

This is actually a trick question.  No, you may not pay in cash, but you do pay my friend...oh yes, you pay! 

true story, im poor because of my gf...now she wants to get engaged and married?!  oh jeeze...i will be in debt the rest of my life.

thank god she is gorgeous and worth every penny to me.

r00ts wrote:

-=]NS[=-G.I.Doh wrote:

Im married, been married for about 7 years, I have PAID for it and keep on payin.


P.S.  I sure hope she dosnt read this...I dont like sleeping on the couch.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/285/lolvy2.jpg
lol i guess you're sleeping on the couch today

TELL ME THIS ISNT TRUE! lol!

oh it is true!

no way. first of all...im too cheap for that.  Second i have a girlfriend.  third....paying for sex is for the people who cant get any, which i am a firm believer that there is someone out there for everyone so if you really wanted to...you can find a significant other and get all the sex you want.

paying for sex = fail...just like my governor. lol.

^^ awesome lookin dogs.

...looks like im the only one with a turtle.  Croix is 1337

If you need ones straight from my desktop i will take some when i get home from work (3:30 pm Eastern) and get them to you as I am not home right now and on a MAC.  I just reformatted my home computer so i can see what i can get ya.  Let me know if that is doable.

If that is Ginger Ale...I am all for it.  Woot vote for this guy.

HudsonFalcon wrote:

They taste like shit but they're good on pizza.  *Sigh* I miss college.

never had them on pizza BUT....i do miss college.

I've never done it...and dont want to really but...when i was in college i had a friend who was heavily involved in drugs and he would do them, one night i ran into him outside with a friend of his and they had been doing them and he wasnt freaking out or anything but he was saying how everyone he would talk to had his face, so in a sense "talking to himself"

thats my only story.

FatherTed wrote:

*=]AD[=*Pro_NL wrote:

+1  for Bernadictus

i agree...learn and adapt.  Each gun has its "noobness" if used correctly.

i voted C.

ReDevilJR wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I want Pataki back.

Same. I do live in the state as it is.

same.  I know Pataki

1050  ESPN Radio

"The Hurd"

video camera?

shot down.

dare i say......EPIC?

too funny:

so cute.

lol!

Jenspm wrote:

McCain > Obama > Pigs > Rats > Hillary

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Ok that's good we've made progress.. Basically IMO no matter what happens over there it's a region that needs to stabilize it self. And a 16 month pull out is an actual plan so hopefully someone will make steps towards that and we can focus on our econimy.

oh dont get me wrong on that...i think we need to be out of there and i think we need troops roaming the streets of our own country rather than over there.  Im not sure if there is a way to stabilize that area...they have been fighting for hundreds and hundreds of years...whats going to stop them now.  I think we have too many problems here to be putting our hands in everyone elses business.  If you really want to know what i think about politics....they are all corrupt, i do not care what party your from...they are all corrupt and all tell the people what they want to hear to be voted in. THATS PERSONAL OPINION.