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I was speaking in the point of the shitty kids now a days.

Seriously with all the technical advancements now a days, we need to fix the financial world we're in. The monetary system that we have and have created is more of a cancer and will halt future advancement.

Uzique wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

It's a waste of time and money. Get a trade job cert and into the work force. College = a ton of debt for a 50k to 150k job. Most labor jobs/trade jobs end up making that in a shorter period of time without the headaches of a career.

Macbeth you're going to become a History teacher which means that you're going to be working 60+ hours a week and making 50-80k. You could just become a truck driver and make more money without the debt and when you're done with work you don't have to worry.

yeah because a life of labour and repetitive tasks and staring at a freeway is so much more compelling and fulfilling than teaching the youth.

what a fucking terrible post.

Yeah because sacrificing your whole life and all your time to children who aren't going to give a flying F. Then they can point out how google could do your job if they cared enough is totally worth it.

Just saying financally speaking with cost of living + time spent + additional debt = Higher education isn't really a great option in this day and age. Depending on career field there's not a whole lot of stability either.

It's a waste of time and money. Get a trade job cert and into the work force. College = a ton of debt for a 50k to 150k job. Most labor jobs/trade jobs end up making that in a shorter period of time without the headaches of a career.

Macbeth you're going to become a History teacher which means that you're going to be working 60+ hours a week and making 50-80k. You could just become a truck driver and make more money without the debt and when you're done with work you don't have to worry.

Thanks for the stats,  I've been busy lately and haven't had a chance to respond. Also in 2010 there were only 14,000 homicides in the US and I think the police Homicides either went up or stayed the same. Also the 380 is from shootings and not only police related deaths. Way to go facts.

HITNRUNXX wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Police officers don't generally have the right to use even mild force in everyday situations, only when life is in danger.

I disagree with the "life in danger" part... But this is closer to the truth than the incident in the OP...

If my LIFE in IN DANGER from a bad guy, the cops better be shooting him, not pepper spraying, clubbing, or tazing him.

If a bad guy is resisting arrest and you have the option of beating him into submission or pepper spray/tazers... Then I would say pepper spray and tazers. Don't get into a boxing match with someone who refuses to allow you to arrest him, but you can't just walk away from him and say "Ok, guess you are free to go since you won't put your hands behind your back."

Again though, strapped to a chair naked is past any logical reason to continue using force of any kind...

The chance of your life being in danger with a cop is way higher then your life being in danger with a bad guy. Also the main problem with this is allowing the police to arrest everyone, for the most part we're so fucked in that way that more people are being arrested for shit that wasn't even a ticketed offense 20 years ago.

Ehh I'm still pissed about the cop shooting two blocks from my house. They killed an 19 year old kid who turned himself in for a Domistic Dispute warrant. I was walking my dog up in the park, they filled him up with 5 shots, and it doesn't make any sense. He turned himself in at 1:30 and was in the police department for 2 hours then took off for some reason?

Who knows why but I'm more wary of the police then I am of the criminals now a days. I get mugged I loss a couple of dollars(is mugging even a crime anymore?) I get pulled over I could loss up to thousands of dollars and possible my life.

I was watching one the other day(I actually hate the show, but will catch it after AOTS), and there was a bar fight were some girls where fighting. The woman cop tried to pull them off and some guy tried to pull her off, the other cop grabbed and grounded the guy. This woman was running around saying I'm going to tase him like 15 times before she finally did and at the time it happened it was unnecessary.

Universal health care would actually make it cheaper for Big companies to operate in the United States, as it would pull away from there benefit cost.

The funniest thing is just watch cops or that Jail show that is huge in the USA. You get to see this crazy abuse of power on every episode, and we watch it as entertainment. The Days of The Running Man are not far off in this country.

But wait, insurance is baised off of everyone paying into that system. So with more people getting laid off and not being able to have insurance your insurance will keep going up.

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Remember ever one can always fall back to government sponsored jobs in the country. Things get too bad get a government job like the police or the military. Fuck the private sector they've done nothing but complain in this country.

It's not that easy anymore. Public sector is laying off people as well.

In fact the private sector is hiring more than the public right now. Also very few people are cut out to be soldiers or cops, if you're not a physically fit 20 something they're likely to reject you.

yeah it's weird how they are laying off in the Military now, I don't think that's ever happened. Well anyway at least the people making the rules have set themselves up forever.

Remember ever one can always fall back to government sponsored jobs in the country. Things get too bad get a government job like the police or the military. Fuck the private sector they've done nothing but complain in this country.

I was going to join the Army but I stopped because I didn't want to give up my US citizenship for anything. I thought it was really unpatriotic that I'd have to give up what I was fighting for... Remember when you sign you become property of The US government. I've worked hard my whole life to actually get nothing. I make a decent income but it constantly gets diddled away to pay for poor neighborhoods and to pay bloated police incomes.  This is not the america that our parent wantted..

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If the majority of the public in those states agrees with the position, why do you care? That's the system working.

Because I believe people have rights that supersede temporal law and the the majority of people's view. I don't think 'that's how the system works' is a good justification for little more than tyranny of the majority.

Both sides do it. It's not like Obama and the Democrats are up there standing up for individual rights. I see no difference between the two sides. One wants to ban trans fats, cigarettes, salt, corn syrup, guns, religious expression, etc and the other wants to ban abortion. The former affects me a helluva lot more than the latter.

What happened to the right of privacy?

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

How about protecting the right of citizens first and foremost and letting democracy decide everything else? The logic of your argument fits along with "if most Germans were okay with the Holocaust than it was fine because of democracy". An extreme example but it's the same logic train. It's a terribly weak logical justification for anything.

I value protecting human rights over the democratic will of a given time. You value?

I value human rights. I don't consider the ability to murder your unborn children a right.

I don't feel you have the right to tell people what to do with their body.

FEOS wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I'll use Newark NJ as an example.. If we pulled out all of the Government funding out of that shit hole of a town, the cost of living would drop and the economy would improve. That money we has the state of New Jersey are dumping in there plus federal isn't going to the poor it's just inflating the values and keeping them poor.

already addressed the war on poverty. It doesn't help the people it intends to, all it does is make those who don't want to be on the governments dollars go up.

Your argument applies to government subsidies writ large. They skew reality.

How so?

I'll use Newark NJ as an example.. If we pulled out all of the Government funding out of that shit hole of a town, the cost of living would drop and the economy would improve. That money we has the state of New Jersey are dumping in there plus federal isn't going to the poor it's just inflating the values and keeping them poor.

already addressed the war on poverty. It doesn't help the people it intends to, all it does is make those who don't want to be on the governments dollars go up.

But we don't make anything, and if we don't spend more then they can't keep  people employed. Less people employed means less people paying into insurances and driving those prices up, also less people buying stuff so it drives those prices up, also more people on welfare/foodstamps driving those prices up.  Meanwhile the government is pumping out money to everyone to keep it afloat and the rich are the only people getting it.

Not voting would put more pressure on the government for change then voting in someone who won't be able to do anything anyway. It's shows a loss of leadership and care, would be amazing to get across the peoples message.

There's no reason to vote for anyone. It's not going to make a difffernce. We need to stop all forms of Welfare in this country and let the market correct itself. Meaning from Secton 8(public housing) to Coorporate welfare(bailouts and governent funding). Also we need to stop Wars on, I think we spent 15billion on the war on drugs last year when it's only a 3 billion dollar a year industry? Why not just save 12 billion and buy all the drugs.
I'll use Newark NJ as an example.. If we pulled out all of the Government funding out of that shit hole of a town, the cost of living would drop and the economy would improve. That money we has the state of New Jersey are dumping in there plus federal isn't going to the poor it's just inflating the values and keeping them poor.

Yeah but who's just going to roll over and really just give them the there country?

Has anyone stated that if you had looser gun laws this would have never happened?

I want in?

I thought the USA fell behind in the cars because they put out shitty designs with crappy engines, not because of manufacturing? Also I heard a statistic that companies are pulling in 65% profits and even if they used US labor it would end up being 30% labor.

It's funny when companies only care about the shareholders and figure out ways to increase profits for them and shit on the employees to do it. Unless all these corporate shills plan on moving out of our country they're going to end up with a bunch of tiny pieces of paper and numbers on a computer screen that don't mean shit.

How many local burger joints do you have around you now? Are you really saying that because you haven't read that mcdonalds puts local joints out of business that it doesn't?

It's a huge change from when I was younger and used to travel to other states for different things to now. Now when getting out of state it's feels like everything is a chain.

Even now it feels like the banks started to flex there muscles the same way walmart and other chains have. They loosened they're guidelines to a point where anyone can get money and when it started to go to shit they cried about how it was going to ruin the economy when they went out of business. Stole our money then actually tightened things down to keep the money funneling up. Trust me I know I was involved in that. Now look how many banks are popping up everywhere. Also once the Mortgage bubble burst they rode it out with the bouncing fees.

The money system only works on trust and right now as middle class to below citizens it's not really working too well for us. The whole world economy is based on this system so we're going to probably dry up with goods provided to us in the next year. But hey at least we still have American Idol.

Big Business rapes Medium to smaller business by undercutting cost even if it's for a loss then putting them out of business then raising there prices when they're gone. Look at the value meals compaired to local burger joints. The government gives them tax breaks and incentives because they "MAKE" jobs, then they steal the local money making profits then leave because they can't make money anymore. So then the government has to start taxing them higher because they don't have the Income tax coming in anymore to survive, so the business start to pull out and destroy other countries.

Good fuck these corporate companies, lets get back to real America where they're isn't a chain store every block.

SEREMAKER wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Nothing wrong with making sure you have job security...

You can also buy old fully auto weapons and it's not that big a pain as long as they're grandfathered in I think.

The only fully auto that are under the grandfather year clause are the $100,000 gatlin gun and there is about 5 that exist.

Ahh my friend got an old AK which I'm pretty sure he said was fully, but now that you mentain it it's probably a semi auto.

But I touched on it, they're on their own side you don't need more funding without having a need. So it's easy enough to sell out yourself and your country and create that need for yourself.

It's probably real, I had a no picture DL for a while.. It was around the 03ish mark.. Trying to remember.

Nothing wrong with making sure you have job security...

You can also buy old fully auto weapons and it's not that big a pain as long as they're grandfathered in I think.

Dilbert_X wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

You know how shitty our Economy is.... They're actually fireing service members..

Wow 15 years ago the recruiters were all but sucking dicks to get people to join, now they're full. We as a country are fucked and I can imagine that the Army and the Airforce aren't far behind with letting people go.

Your military is about 5 times bigger than it needs to be, and its broken your country.

And plenty of other countries as well. It's more then 5 times larger.

You know how shitty our Economy is.... They're actually fireing service members..

Wow 15 years ago the recruiters were all but sucking dicks to get people to join, now they're full. We as a country are fucked and I can imagine that the Army and the Airforce aren't far behind with letting people go.

War Man wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Wish he'd free up some budget from the explosions for a decent script and some quality control.

Michael Bay in an interview said "I didn't like the transformers before but then I got to do the movie and now I love it"..

I'd really love to at least give it a 2/10 but everything was so out of sync and didn't make any sense. I just don't understand why the Shia(what ever his stupid name was) was this main character. This franchise needs a serious reboot with the same Special effects but this time with a simple story line and some flow..

And focus mainly on the tranformers and less on humans.

Edit: Quite frankly, there are quite a few other things that need a reboot.

Yeah the whole interview process right up front was really annoying and had nothing to do with Robots. But hey he got the job? Am I right, why is he even still in these movies?

I read somewhere that he said he probably won't come back. That dude is the worst, running Indiana Jones and transformers, why don't he just shit on everyones childhood.

Wish he'd free up some budget from the explosions for a decent script and some quality control.

Michael Bay in an interview said "I didn't like the transformers before but then I got to do the movie and now I love it"..

I'd really love to at least give it a 2/10 but everything was so out of sync and didn't make any sense. I just don't understand why the Shia(what ever his stupid name was) was this main character. This franchise needs a serious reboot with the same Special effects but this time with a simple story line and some flow..

Holy Crap it's 3 am in the morning and I'm so freaking tired. But just for fear that I might not wake up in the morning I'm going to watch an other movie, so that shitty movie wouldn't be the last thing I saw.

How the fuck do you guys give it a 9.4 out of 10?  Other then running, cars driving and explosions it had nothing else going on.

0/10 and I saved you all a bunch of money..

What the ads do is waste tax payers money. There are studies that show scare tactics and all this dare none sense and government funded bullshit DOES NOT WORK. Why do we keep wasting out money and paying out the ass for these programs?

All the raising of the taxes on the smokes did was
A. Make them MORE desirable ( a 40 dollar steak WILL always taste better then a 5 dollar steak, you mind associates cost with enjoyment)
b. Open up a black market for cigarette runners and smash and grab crimes.

Hmm I thought most Gun laws were State Passed. Also he did raise a valid point "We can NOT arrest our way out of crime"

That's a really logical and really TRUE things I've heard in a while.

I think you can shot them in the face 30 times but you get them once in the back that's when the shit goes down.

tuckergustav wrote:

Is the link bad for everyone now? hmm

wow it does seem that it is?

That is odd.

11 Bravo wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

black market cigs aint anything new dude

You know how you should know your government is fucking up?

It's helping dangerous organizations find funding.

you mean like the mortgage business you work in?

Yup I do, and alot of the dangerous people in my business have been getting locked up(I know a decent amount in this state), which is why I"m glad I'm staight laced. Take all the shots you want at me but I've turned down alot of business in my life.

But anyway why do we work in such a stupid way. We put a law enforcement agent who's son was killed by a Sovereign Citizen to lead the task force against Sovereign Citizen. These anti smoking laws are pushed though without common sense but thro crying widows and they're stupid "dead baby" laws.

tuckergustav wrote:

The news companies(really all of them) are more interested in the stories that are going to make people stare at their tv, waiting for more info.  That way they can sell those viewers to advertisers.  Apparently, some fat man in a suit has decided that these stories are not going to create more product(ie viewers).

But, watching the video of the "Christian Militant" thing they are talking about.  It seems like non news.  I think she was trying to make the point that if they are going to talk about religious militants then they should talk about all religious militants and not just one group.

I do understand that, it was the only one what really jumped at me. But I listed the more important ones.

I really wish that we had a "bigger" picture news source that would actually issue out real world news. T

11 Bravo wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i dont think it is over taxed yet.  i mean people still buy smokes at stores every day.

In New Jersey and New York it defiantly is. I know people who buy packs from a guy in Brooklyn for 6 dollars. They've already started reporting on looking at the tax stamps on the bottom of the pack.

It's already here and you don't even have to do anything high profile to succeed at it.

black market cigs aint anything new dude

You know how you should know your government is fucking up?

It's helping dangerous organizations find funding.

War Man wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

any person can be dangerous despite whatever their religion is

This, or shall I go on about radical Darwinists?

Well there's other things on the list as well.

Such as North Korea creating a Super EMP weapon(I don't really buy it), then flooding in China that has displaced 2 million people, also the wildfire in Arizona.

The main point of it is that Anthony Weiner is not really top "News" and there is so much more that people need to know about.

11 Bravo wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

well duh.  if you over tax you do more harm.

So funding terrorism is better then this "Drain" on health insurance?

i dont think it is over taxed yet.  i mean people still buy smokes at stores every day.

In New Jersey and New York it defiantly is. I know people who buy packs from a guy in Brooklyn for 6 dollars. They've already started reporting on looking at the tax stamps on the bottom of the pack.

It's already here and you don't even have to do anything high profile to succeed at it.

So a friend of mine found and posted this link up.. Not too sure of the source but it's too interesting a read not to post up.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archiv … -right-now

Members of Congress continue to mention Christians as a threat to national security.  For example, during a recent Congressional hearing U.S. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee warned that "Christian militants" might try to "bring down the country" and that such groups need to be investigated.


This really jumped out at me on this whole post and we can see a change in the government moment towards radical Cristian beliefs.

Even if these sources are crap it still brings up the important FACT that all news sources are crap and report on the most mundane things. The news should not be TMZ.

11 Bravo wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

What about the terrorism thing?

well duh.  if you over tax you do more harm.

So funding terrorism is better then this "Drain" on health insurance?

Jay wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

no not everyone.  lots of people dont really pay much in taxes.

What does that have to do with insurance? Oh you're talking about medicare, well as John said we're not going to have that so it's a moot point. What about the terrorism thing?

John that doesn't have the flask.

You can't have it all man. Sometimes, in life, you have to make tough decisions. Like choosing between a lighter and liquor for your cig case.

Damnit why can't the government step in and fix this problem. Maybe they'll create jobs and make money doing so..

11 Bravo wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Also we do pay for our own health insurance, then they drop you when it touches there bottom line.

no not everyone.  lots of people dont really pay much in taxes.

What does that have to do with insurance? Oh you're talking about medicare, well as John said we're not going to have that so it's a moot point. What about the terrorism thing?

John that doesn't have the flask.

Jay wrote:

This thing is awesome

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4 … AA300_.jpg

Needs a lighter.

So terrorist's have and do more damage then smoking and raising taxes creates a need for a black market and those now a days fund terrorism.

Also we do pay for our own health insurance, then they drop you when it touches there bottom line.

11 Bravo wrote:

four

dont smoke

five "don't tell me what to do" and I won't tell you

Well first off, the higher taxes on smoking is creating a black market for them. So our government is funding terroism by being stupid.

Second they created the Fire Safety Cigs which no one has any idea what that's going to do to peoples bodies.

Third, they should just stop stealing our money.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j … moking-ban

We'll see if the taxes go down. I also would like to see our fines go down, we live in a state that has worse fines then New York.

What really needs to be down in this state is we have to cut funding to all our ghetto's and let them sort it out for themselves. I'm only one man and I know I'm paying for a family of five in Newark, Camden, Trenton, Passic, Paterson, Phillipsburg, Jersey City and or Dover(I'm sure we have more ghetto but I can't think of them). Our "Cities" are just overpopulated with worseless people

Watch that TV show Campus PD, other states the fine is never over 200 dollars in New Jersey it's never lower then 1000.