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twiistaaa: I'm sure Austrailia had some important figures during WWII. It's an interesting country.

Pinto: Excellent catch there with Mark Twain. Not sure many people will remember Lance Armstrong 20 years from now though...

I'm surprised that there hasn't been much in the way of musical artists selected... Bob Dylan? Elvis Presley? Louis Armstrong? Thelonious Monk?

Then while some are mentioning athletes, what ever happened to Jessie Owens? Muhammad Ali?

Well, not all of these were necessarily MADE in America, but they certainly called it home...

Albert Einstein
Benjamin Franklin
Gen. Douglas MacArthur
Harry Truman
Robert Oppenheimer
John F. Kennedy
Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
Thomas Edison
Ronald Reagan
Susan B. Anthony
Harriet Tubman
Gen. George Patton
Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson
Pocahontas
Ulysses S. Grant
Woodrow Wilson
Andrew Jackson

I'm sure I'm missing a few hundred here. There have been MANY movers and shakers in American History.

How many was I supposed to list again?

I think I'd take the FAV over the DPV. Better gun abilities. You can rotate all the way around making it much more effective chewing up helos.

It's frightening to me that I agree so much with CameronPoe's remarks. Even the Israel/Iran conflict. Israel would simply not be able to make a "surgical strike" to disable Iran's nuclear efforts. It would take pretty near an all out Israeli war to do it. Iran isn't stupid. Some of their facilities are widely scattered and buried DEEP.

It does seem a little odd though that so many here have mentioned North Korea, South Korea, and China, but there has been no mention of Japan. To my knowledge, Japan does have a rather large standing army and they have frequently been considering changing their pacifist constitution. Generally, they would be on the US/SK side, and they're pretty well equipped. It would be a certainty that Japan would come to SK's aid in a fighting conflict if the US turned more isolationist...

Of course, I believe that MOST predicted conflicts involving China and the United States simply wouldn't happen. Why? Capitalism. China doesn't want to make their #1 customer too terribly angry. It's bad for business.

Journey - Open Arms *in my pants*

For the sex toy industry:
Styx - Mr Roboto *in my pants*


Don't forget Bush - Mouth *in my pants*

Hmm... maybe if we hire the Ethiopian Army to invade.... oh wait... That's Somalia.

Hmm... maybe if we hire the Colombian or Brazilian Ar......

lol

CameronPoe wrote:

1. The principle of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' is completely incompatible with a personal motto of mine 'two wrongs don't make a right'. A bit idealistic but you get the picture.

No argument there.

CameronPoe wrote:

2. I fully believe that if Saddam had an inkling as to the fact that he and his regime were about to be crushed (he must have known it was coming) he would have lashed out in one final act of defiance against the approaching US army with every dangerous chemical and compound under the sun. But he didn't. What would be the point in sending the weapons to Syria when he was just about to engage the US army militarily?

I think Saddam felt that if he could keep the inspectors happy and still not find anything, the United States would go away and leave him alone. Indeed he would have been better served to POINT OUT to the inspectors SOMETHING that he had just so they would look more like they were cooperating. The problem was that he (at least at one time) had MOUNTAINS of chemical and bio weapons, but not nearly enough evidence that it was properly disposed of. If he didn't have it, how and where was it disposed? You simply can't say it disappeared. It's not car keys or socks in dryers, it's chemo and bio weapons. These are not easily lost or disposed of without figuring out where it went.

Again he underestimated the fury that was about to come.

Iran was the only country besides the U.S. that had F-14s. We didn't give them to Iran. They took control of them in their Islamic Revolution 28 years ago. To date, they've only seen very limited air time since most of their (F-14) fleet was cannibalised for parts to keep others flying. Besides, F-14s are nice aircraft if flown by well-trained pilots, and not up against pilots with superior training in superior aircraft (F-22s, F-15Es, MiG-29s, Su-27s etc). F-14 pilot training is even more rare than F-14 parts, and that plane does require some healthy sized maintenance when it DOES have the parts.

In short, the F-14 in Iran is pretty much like trying to sell Pork Bar-B-Que in Islamabad, or selling Ice Cubes to Eskimos. Pretty useless, and I suspect the Iranians understand that.

Well... yes it does have limited thrust vectoring. I stand corrected, but it's not to the same extent. It's a hell of a plane, no doubt, but it's not going to outmaneuver an F-22 in a dogfight unless the pilot blacked out.

Now of course you could probably buy at least 3 MiG-29's for 1 F-22. Those odds are a little rough for the F-22, but 1 on 1? You have to take the F-22.

Kmarion wrote:

That is true, however the implications in this thread are still that Americans will only see Republicans as "tough" on national defense.

I'm not trying to pump up Republicans here, but it does take a good 30 years to erase the stain of Jimmy Carter.

I personally think that if people believe that Hillary would be a kinder, gentler president, then they're dreaming. I don't think you want to see her dark side. lol

I occasionally have the opposite problem. I'll occasionally run into a clueless commander that can't see what I'm trying to do. For instance, if I'm playing US in Kubra Dam, and I manage to TAKE the Intake, as far as I'm concerned, there's NOTHING more important than HOLDING it. This means, unless there's tons of my side staying there, I'm sitting back defending it. In Kubra Dam, keeping hold of the Intake wins games.

But yes, I do know what you're talking about. Most notably, snipers that like to just sit around and groups that camp and wait for aircraft are the WORST things to have on your team.

Come on guys. How old is this game now? Most of us have played it so much that we're down under the 10 cents per hour paid for the game (if purchased at $50). That's INCREDIBLE. Give DICE the credit that's due.

Give them the chance to throw their resources into something else. After all BF2 will probably lose a ton of players when we see the next COD and Unreal Tourney 3. Let's hope they're working on BF3 with DirectX 10 graphics.

CameronPoe wrote:

You kind of overlook the fact that the US home territories themselves were being bombarded by the highly mechanised and militarised Japanese Empire, but an ocean away. That is not the case and never will be with Iraq or Iran.

Newsflash: Saddam got busted in Gulf War I and got sanctioned and monitored thereafter - Hans Blix knew and stated that Saddam did not and could not possess WMD and yet you still cling to the dream of a WMD-based Iraq invasion.... Need I remind you that Iraq was an ally of the US when he gassed Halabja and was buying military equipment from the US!

Never say never with Iran. Iran is not Iraq and they do have some potential to be quite the advisary.

Saddam got busted, but was still very much under control. In fact his military was intact enough to crush a rebeliion in Southern Iraq. (Who helped organize that rebellion? Osama)

Did you forget the cat and mouse chase that took place after Gulf War I? UN inspectors repeatedly were barred from visiting many locations, and in a few instances were arriving right when Iraqi truck convoys were leaving. EVEN HANS BLIX concedes that.

Listen, just because they didn't FIND Chemical/Biological weapons in any meaningful amounts doesn't mean they didn't have them. The same game could be played with almost any country that doesn't want you to see what they have. There was a lot of intelligence chatter between Iraq and Syria (and Russia) before Gulf War II. Saddam was many things, and he underestimated what the United States would do before both Gulf Wars, but he wasn't so stupid to just leave his WMDs in plain sight.

Since his military had been weakened and mostly demorialised, it was the only thing he had to keep Iran from pouring into his country after GW I. It was fear of him using them in his country's defense. Iran already knew what that was like from the 80's.

As far as Iraq being a US ally in the 80's... that's SORT OF true. It was more that we hated the Iranians MORE. You know the old saying, "the enemy of my enemy is.... my friend"? Well, we weren't FRIENDS per say, but we were certainly providing them invaluable intelligence on Iranian positions during their war, and had some limited military sales and high level meetings (visits by Baker and Cheney). But were we cozy with them? No, not really. We just thought the Iranians were much worse at the time. As someone previously stated, they were cozier with France and the USSR.

Just a side note...

I've seen here several mentions of the F-22's and F-35's thrust vectoring mentioned in the same sentence as Steath. Well, that's not it's main purpose. Thrust vectoring is used more for the maneuverability of the aircraft. An F-22 can make a much sharper turn in a dogfight than a fighter with conventional thrust, such as a MiG-29. Assuming the pilot can handle the Gs, thrust vectoring gives him an ENORMOUS advantage over his advisary.

As far as super-cruise is concerned, its not a new idea. The original F-15 concept was supposed to be capable of super-cruise until it was modified with its raised bubble cockpit and incresed number of hardpoints for external weaponry and fuel tanks. Then there was the F-16XL (XL came from the golf balls that "fly further"), which was a semi-full-delta winged concept of the F-16. It was capable of super-cruise but was never built. I think the F-22 is the first to accomplish it though.

Being located next to Langley AFB, I see F-22s flying overhead every day. Very interesting design. I read that in its first mock dogfight versus trained, honcho-piloted, F-15Es, it acheived a kill ratio of 11-1.

Now if you want to talk best bang for the buck in modern aircraft, you'd have to include the F-20 Tigershark. It was a heavily modified F-5 with an incredibly powerful single engine that easily could outclimb any aircraft to date. Imagine reducing the time it takes for your defense to get into the air to meet the enemy by as much as 2 full minutes. They were CHEAP and very easy to maintain. Taiwan was one of the main considerations for export but no one wanted to buy them since the United States didn't feel like replacing their F-16 with them. Well, hey, if it's not good enough for the US, why would I want one? lol

rdx-fx wrote:

I've been saying it for a while;
It's slightly amazing that Iran's media prowess coincided nicely with Bin Laden's departure from Afghanistan..
Betting that he's, indeed, living in Iran as a guest of the government

Yeah, I'm really not so sure of that. Iran is predominately Shiite and if memory serves, Osama is Sunni. Iran in the past hasn't been so terribly friendly to him. They have a common interest, but any possible alliance between Iran and alQueda would probably be very temporary.

Probably not. It's easier and cheaper for al Queda to attack Americans in Iraq. Once we leave, then the answer is yes.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

gas prices in Iran have hit 38 cents a gallon. up from 30 cents a gallon the day before.   the average middle class persian is getting more and more pissed.

The problem with the above statement is that the people reading it think that this is a rediculously low price for gas. Well, it is, but it IS a 25% increase that occurred overnight. It's like seeing our $3.25 per gallon gas price jump to $4.06 overnight. Would THAT make you upset?

Iran has a similar problem that people already know the US has. They don't have enough refineries for their own oil. They actually have to IMPORT refined oil to satisfy their growing requirements. I bet MOST of you didn't know that...

CameronPoe wrote:

Sorry - the cause isn't nearly as noble or global as that of WWII. As such, you wouldn't have the legitimacy and would very much come off as the bad guys....

And it never will be as long as the Press can freely express their opinions whether they're based in mere conjecture or fact. A lot has changed since World War 2 in how we receive information and the opinions formed from it.

In WW2, the United States lost over 220,000 troops and was able to stomach it. How many have we lost in Iraq? Maybe 1/80th of that number? Yet we're MORE upset about losing that number than we were in WW2! It's INSANE!

What's really sad is that most of the world currently thinks that Saddam Hussein NEVER had WMD's. Why? Because the PRESS and career minded politicians have been entertaining that idea for their own gain. Never mind the fact that there was video evidence of an entire Kurdish village getting wiped from existence in the late 80's. Never mind the fact that Iran's troops were killed by the thousands by those same weapons.

Democracies these days simply don't have the attention span nor the stomach for any kind of prolonged conflict.

I don't think Iran is going to step up much of anything this Summer, especially forging any ties to the Sunnis. That's rediculous. They HATE each other. The Saudi's would counter it.

Keep in mind the Iranian people are a little irritated with their own government right now. They don't care for high unemployment and increasing/unchecked inflation. I think Iran is busy enough (and will be even busier this Summer) with just keeping their own populace content. Even theocracies like Iran's has to play to the people every now and then.

If anything, Iran's involvement will DECREASE this summer.

derstralle wrote:

Until recently the draft was there to have a veeeery large army that could stop a possible soviet armored offensive through Europe. The rests of the defense forces should entangle with NATO reinforcements and counterattack into eastern Europe.
After the Cold War the draft serves the purpose to supply the social-system with enough "volunteers" (you can choose between military and social service).

Hmm... I think during the Cold War, Norway's army was there to give Norwegians a day or two to evacuate before the Soviets stormed in. It wasn't that large an army and it surely would have been crushed by the USSR in any kind of frontal war.

Norway does, however, have some magnificent skiing and fjords to hide your ships in. Oh and it's proximity to Sweden and their bikini team is verrr-nice!

BF2142 is a nice game, but it's hard to beat the game play of BF2. I personally had a little trouble adjusting to 2142. The graphics are... distracting.

Now are you missing anything by not having 2142? Well, yes, but you'll likely keep playing BF2.

The cards are generally the same. I know eVGA has great tech support, and if you need it, great RMA support. I don't know how PNY stacks up in those areas, but I'm currently using a PNY 8800 GTS 640mb (since late January), and it's wonderful. I've been playing BF2 at 1920x1080 with all the bells and whistles. Beautiful. Very Quiet. Good card.

As far as getting an OC'd version, don't. Most of the stock 8800 GTS's overclock pretty well all on their own.

As far as some of those tech ones are concerned... If you can keep your cool when they happen, you'd be surprised how it can translate into job security. People love tech guys that don't treat them like the dumba$$es they are.

I guess Hindus, Buddists, etc aren't in this club... There are a few more MAJOR religions than "Christianism", Islam, and Judiasm, you know.

Assault. It was the class I started playing BF2 with. I usually prefer Engy, Spec Ops, and Medic now.

Nahh, if they're going to change the $20 they should pick Truman. In the background, they should show two mushroom clouds.

Then they should make a $21 bill and stick Jimmy Carter and his peanuts on it. Odd and useless, just like Jimmy Carter.

Be very gentle with the spacebar. It breaks very easily. I've broken two of them and I'm not particularly abusive with these things. G15 is easily the better keyboard. It is a little big though...

Meh, I think I'd still prefer medic with the G36E over assault. It's a much more useful class to your squad, IMO.

Sarkozy is supposed to be a little more conservative than Chirac. I suspect the Islamists living there won't be terribly happy with him. We'll have to see how well he handles himself and whether he can be a conservative AND still maintain healthy relationships with his public.

I suspect CameronPoe is correct. There could be quite a few strikes. Hopefully that won't be the case.

Chasing Amy
Snatch
Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels

Here's a recent one:
Reign Over Me

That one rips your heart out.

Onidax wrote:

2nd: Just because someone from America invented something means that America as a nation is good at building  cars. Your arrogant to think that someone later wouldnt have come up with the same idea.

Are you referring to the invention of the assembly line or the automobile? I was under the impression that Benz had a working automobile before Ford.

Onidax wrote:

3rd: Currently which car market is suffering the most? I can tell your a little dim so Ill give you a hand here.. its the American one. Now would the American car market be suffering if their cars were: reliable, well made, had good performance, innovative or luxurious? Ill give you another hint, no the American car market wouldnt be suffering if it met those points.

Debatable. Remember, when Dalmer-Benz bought Chrysler, it was a good thing for Chrysler. It virtually saved Chrysler. Now it's actually Chrysler that's helping to support Dalmer, and Chrysler now wants out and to be back on its own. In another year or so, Dalmer might be in pretty bad shape. The Euro market isn't as strong as you think.

Onidax wrote:

4th: European cars currently are and will remian for the forseeable furture the best preduction cars in the world. When people want a cheap car they look to Asia, when they want a good quality car they go to Europe, when they want a crap car they go to America.

Highly Debatable. The Japanese may disagree with you and they'd probably have good reason to. Toyota consistently makes some of the best all around vehicles in the world. In Europe, don't forget that some of those Euro brands are owned by Ford and GM.

Onidax wrote:

5th: Were you even alive during the Word Wars? A loose comment like that is yet another indication of your stupidity.

Go back to school

Well, his quote may have been insensitive, but if YOU actually cracked open a history book, you might find how much the Allies depended on American parts, labor, machinery, troops, technology, etc.. It's very true that the United States could not have fought the war by themselves, they needed ALL of the Allies (even the French), but on the flip side, the Allies had no hope (including the USSR) without the Americans getting involved.

EDIT: Sorry. Fixed a typo

san4 wrote:

QFT. Iran is frequently underestimated. It is light years more advanced than its neighbors in all sorts of ways. But regardless of who is President, don't the theocrats have ultimate control? I don't think they are particularly progressive.

Quite right. If they don't like the changes, they'll change it to what they like. Iran is far from being a democratic republic. It's a religious theocracy. Ahmedenijad is little more than a very loud figurehead.

The problem is, most people don't understand that. They think that if there's a change to a more moderate president in Iran, then Iran will change to being a more Western-friendly country. No, they won't. They'll still be building nuclear weapons, and they'll still be aiming for Israel and other pro-Western countries.

Believe me, Ahmedenijad will lose the Presidency, but only because the theocracy regime in Iran wants it that way.

This biggest problem conspiracy theorist have with trying to say that the US Government orchestrated 9/11 is the size of it and its practicality. To pull off those attacks would require a ton of people. Thousands. Conspiracies can't have that many people involved without an awful lot of them talking. It would completely collapse on itself in a matter of weeks.

Al Queda really did take out the two WTC towers. They really did hit them with two airliners. There are too many witnesses that saw the airliners coming in that actually were able to make out plane graphics.

Didn't Popular Mechanics explain how a jet fueled fire can superheat trusses ("never trust a truss") to make them bend enough to have the weight of the building collapse on itself? Firefighters never really had a chance to put out that fire. It would have taken weeks if they hadn't collapsed and the towers probably would have been demolished afterwards.

I realize that the US has an unpopular president. That doesn't mean that he and his followers orchestrated 9/11.

ShellShock.PwN wrote:

The guy makes Millions of dollars why would he run a dog fighting ring to make pocket change. He probably owns 4 houses so he is probably telling the truth.

Actually, money is a reason why he would do it. If you're poor, you're less likely to be able to afford the $100+ a day it costs to feed 65 Pit-Bulls he keeps there at his "breeding farm" he has in Smithfield, VA. To him, it's more of a leasure outlet he has with his friends.

The rumor is that it was some of Allen Iverson's friends that turned him on to dog fighting, but AI no longer takes part in it - he's actually become more of a family man.

It's the thug mentality at work here. In Vick's world, he's the big shot and he's impressing his thug friends.

We really need to elimiate dihydrogen-monoxide. It's fricken everywhere! That storm wouldn't have happened, that's for sure!

Medium on a lower resolution. /Maybe

The processor itself is pretty good, assuming you got those numbers transposed, but even the best processor with a low end video card won't run todays games very well. A 7600GT on a Athlon64 3200+ would school it. Games are more reliant on the speed of the video card.

A 7600GT will probably get you 1280x1024 with the settings turned medium to high. Definitely all high if it's at 1024x768. If you can afford it, look at the new 8600GT. It'll serve you longer since it's a DirectX 10 capable card.

Vista Ultimate x64 works fairly well overall for me since CMedia finally released some decent sound card drivers. BF2 isn't PERFECT on it though. Works okay for most players, but for me, I'm not too wild about getting dumped to my desktop after playing 1.5-2.5 rounds. So that's still not quite right.

I will admit that I have a fairly healthy, fairly Vista friendly setup.

Asus A8R-32MVP, Opty 175, 4GB PC3200 DDR, PNY 8800 GTS 640mb, X-Mystique Gold 7.1

Otherwise, with my sound card now working right, I'm happy that I'm seeing progress towards reliability, better driver support, and other fixes. Now if they'd just make it easier to play Divx/Xvid/X264 in Windows Media CENTER (works okay in WMP), I'd be SET!

I'm sticking with it.

Gran Trak 10. It was an Atari Racing game which came out in 1974. I probably played in sometime around late 1975 - early 1976.

As far as which gun is most important for their individual kit... Medics MUST get the G36E. Anything else and you're just target practice for the enemy. It's THAT big an upgrade. Wait 'till it gets nerfed...

I wish Engineers had a gun that good.

S3v3N wrote:

TrollmeaT wrote:

Dog person here, I'm allergic to cats so they can all die with their nasty hair.

Probably not the hair. It's likely the saliva and dander. If dogs cleaned themselves the same way, you'd probably be alergic to them too.

jord wrote:

I'm fairly attached to my pets. I've had him 10 years,probably got another 3 left in him.

That's what happens when you're an only child...

If you're talking about a cat, unless it's a longhair variety, you should get more years than that. My old yellow short hair almost made 20.

Short-haired alley cats taken as kittens usually last the longest (14-20 years). Long-haired pure-breeds usually don't last long. (10-12 years) Of course everything also depends on diet, maintenance, vaccinations, being fairly swift to get them to the vet if something seems wrong, and generally just being nice to them.

Oh yeah, let's not forget that they'll live longer if you avoid pet food made from "Menu Foods" in Canada. They should have their asses sued into oblivion.

Big cats tend to live longer than smaller ones. Lions often live into their 30's in captivity.

Well think about it, a Jaquar and a Great Dane.... Which animal would you expect to come out alive if they had to fight for survival? I see dogburgers in that contest.

Some of you like to compare a large dog to a small cat. Well, that's not a good comparison, is it? Sure, I can compare an alley cat to a toy poodle too...

Yaocelotl wrote:

You need to find that cat and throw it to a cage full of 5 pitbull dogs. Fucking cat .

It depends on the size of the cat! Have you ever seen a cat hunt or fight?

Let me put it to you this way... If cats and dogs were exactly the same size... there wouldn't be many dogs.

Well, if/when Iran is able to build a nuclear weapon, it likely won't be of the small suitcase variety (that's another 15 years off), so it would probably take some doing to get it to its target without anyone noticing.

Most likely scenario would be a stolen nuclear warhead from the former Soviet Union. All it would take is some not-exactly-mind-blowing-intel and a group of (maybe 50) well trained terrorists/mercinaries to steal one. Fewer than that to deliver one. It would be far more portable and far more destructive than anything Iran or N. Korea would be able to come up with.

Security at many of these ex-Soviet installations is frighteningly poor.

As alluded to above, Israel would be a more likely target as it's closer, smaller, and would do the most damage to its existence with one blast. Any wondering why they're so paranoid?

Kubra Dam! Of course!

How about a single Seagate 750gb drive? Either that or a 500gb and a memory upgrade.

AMD is in a better position now than they were before they released the Athlon64. How? Four letters...

DELL

They didn't have Dell selling their stuff before, now, they selling them almost as fast as AMD can make processors.

Expect Barcelona to first come out in 3rd Qtr this year. It won't give AMD as long an advantage as they had when the Athlon64 first came out, but it will take a little while for Intel to catch up.

Ohh... I've been schooled a few times on CMx Kubra Dam with the Purple Hearts to show for it.

Yeah, I've schooled a few of back since then. 

Try to understand guys, we consumers NEED AMD to survive. If Intel had no competition, we'd all be using 386's with 16 megs of memory right now. Competition spawns innovation.

They'll be fine when Barcelona comes out. It'll be to AMD what Conroe was to Intel. Nicest thing about it isthat it'll work with your CURRENT AM2 based motherboard so you won't need to buy a new one! Intel hasn't been as friendly in that regard...