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Just a small example of fire destablizing a steel structure:
My Father's engineering company had a fire in one of the labs where they made curcuit boards.  The fire fed off the chemicals in the boards and managed to weaken the steal support for the roof.  The main beam partially liquified in about an hour and the entire roof caved in.  This was a single story building with no excesive weight on the roof structure.  Now I point this out because there were probably countless computers in all of these building that contributed a ton of chemicals that need to be accounted for.  Factor in that most of these come from China and you probably have very little idea what was acctually burning in those fires.

Anyway, food for thought.

I have seen interest in adding the Italians as another option for the Axis, my only worry about adding the Russians is that now you have 3 allies and 2 axis, are you going to add another German option to balance it.  I guess you could add a Jap and Russian expansion with the Russians against the Weh and the Japs against the US.  Maybe just add a 4th US aption for a Marines Tech tree like the Rangers and Airborn.  They could have off map Battle ship arty and Call in beach landings from different sides of the map.  Only down side with an expansion like that is the maps would have to be limited to certain teams, it would make no sence to have the Germans and Japs fighting side by side on an Island map against Marines and the British.  It may get difficult to integrate the two fronts.  Africa might be easier to pull off and not remove from the realism of the conflicts.

steelie34 wrote:

xGj wrote:

^*AlphA*^ wrote:

sucks that I have the Dutch version can't install SP1 yet... damn it

but yeah, never got this bitching against Vista either, which software(operation system) doesn't have some bugs in the beginning honestly. (which are now gone)

Can't you install it through Windows update? Or just download the standalone 5 language package? I'm not sure if we dutchies don't have SP1 yet, but I run an english version of the OS anyway.

M$ released sp1 for most users, and then pulled it from automatic updates after they received so many complaints about compatibility issues.  you can still download the standalone installer, but you won't get it through auto updates until they fix it

Not true.  Vista SP1 is only visible on windows update if all the compatability requirements are met.  see this list for details - http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=948343

For me it was the sigmaTel driver for the integrated sound.  I have also found that you need to hide any updates you do not want to install before sp1 will display.  For example - hide any drivers it offers if you don't want them.

Unfortunatly I think I am going to get stuck voting for what ever Republican gets the nom.... If Hilary gets the Dem, she is just a vindictive Biatch and Obama just is so in experienced, how is he going to manage a country through an economic crisis?  At least Romney has been a govenor and McCain has been around forever.  I just can see the dems fixing the country.

This entire topic hinges around one of the biggerst problems this country has to over come.  We shouldn't care about what the candidate is - only about what they can or can not do for our country.  People always play the race and gender cards in the country and it is total BS.  There is a reason it is called history, stop living in the past and start building the future.  Just because there has NEVER been, doesn't mean that has to be the focus.  Who and what makes sence  now is what is important.  Having a black president is not going to solve the race issues in this country any more than having a gay president fix that stigma.  People will not change thier societal views because a Black Woman Lesbian Mexican takes the Oval office.

dayarath wrote:

I mean like what de fook, it doesn't make sense to me :S

Did you just watch Die Hard last night?  I did and that is one of the questions in the movie.

Other:  Whatever is on the radio because the RIAA just pisses me off, I will not buy music.

Now you got me thinking about mine.  I turned 27 before the doc made any reference to touching them, now he wants them out.

Cool, looks good.

I hate being late.  What was thie picture you speak of?

Freezer7Pro wrote:

KylieTastic wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Windows folder won't get deleted. I hate that.

Why cant you delete it?

I've put a junked old drive as a slave before and delete the old windows folder. It aint like there are magic runes to protect it (more than maybe a system or hidden attribute here-or-there that can be changed)

There are tons of hidden files that won't get deleted. Believe me - I've tried. And there's some flash extension that is protected by magic runes. I've tried under several OS' (Windows 2000, ME, XP, Ubuntu, Debian, RedHat), and it simply can't be deleted.

First thing you may need to do is take ownership of all the files and change the premissiosn on them.  Make sure you force them down from the top and you should be good to go.

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I think he is a bad president, that's all.  If you think that the fact that rich people is richer now, and poor people is poorer is a good thing, then you are right, this is a possitive thing.

That's not the case. If you look at the numbers yourself and not the NYT ( a day to day Bush Basher) you can judge for yourself.

Here you go the numbers.

NY Times wrote:

The increase in incomes of the top 1 percent of Americans from 2003 to 2005 exceeded the total income of the poorest 20 percent of Americans, data in a new report by the Congressional Budget Office shows.

The poorest fifth of households had total income of $383.4 billion in 2005, while just the increase in income for the top 1 percent came to $524.8 billion, a figure 37 percent higher.

The total income of the top 1.1 million households was $1.8 trillion, or 18.1 percent of the total income of all Americans, up from 14.3 percent of all income in 2003. The total 2005 income of the three million individual Americans at the top was roughly equal to that of the bottom 166 million Americans, analysis of the report showed.

The report is the latest to document the growing concentration of income at the top, a trend that President Bush said last January had been under way for more than 25 years.

Earlier reports, based on tax returns, showed that in 2005 the top 10 percent, top 1 percent and fractions of the top 1 percent enjoyed their greatest share of income since 1928 and 1929.

This is from the Congressional Budget Office, although it's posetd in the NY Times.  Oh, and it's 4 days old too.

While the income has not increased, the taxation did decrease as I mentioned earlier.  The tax cut bush made helped th lowest of the low, especially those with kids.

Kmarion wrote:

An editorial from the WSJ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119786208643933077.html
Per the IRS
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Every Democrat running for President wants to raise taxes on "the rich," but they will have to do something miraculous to outtax President Bush. Based on the latest available tax data, no Administration in modern history has done more to pry tax revenue from the wealthy.

One explanation is that the Bush tax cuts reduced the income tax liability of middle and lower income households by more proportionately than the rich. The average family of four with an income of $40,000 saw its income tax liability fall by about $2,052 a year from the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

That is the biggest point.  I am in the lower half of th middle class <$75000 per year.  I have 3 kids.  My taxes were cut in half when Bush made his changes.  So the arguement that the Rich are paying has a lot to do with the fact that I and many others - especially parents - are paying much less.

nukchebi0 wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

ahh so you are all spoiled

nope. at least i'm not. quite a few of the kids here are, but quite a few aren't.

there's a difference between having more money than the usual person and being spoiled. when you get whatever you want, when you want it, you're spoiled. when your parents bring in 500 grand a year and can afford to get your a car that costs more than 500 dollars, and they choose to do so, you're just lucky. its the fuckers who drive brand new BMWS on daddy's 30,000 a year that are spoiled.

This is dead wrong. Kids who can get nice cars because their parents will buy it for them are spoiled.




I do agree with what some of what you posted, though. I took a driver's education final and got cut off by three people in one hour. Only one was a teen.

The point about the acceleration is stupid, though. Some people don't like wasting gas by flooring their pedal. You are the one being rude here, not them.

Sorry, I have to disagree.  It is the people that try to merge onto the highway doing 10-20 under the limit that really cause hell.  Use the pedal and merge with traffic instead of forcing those behind you to dodge the cars that you are cutting off  and forcing to slam their brakes and meet your slow ass speed.

If you ever want to save money, Don't have kids, if you want to have kids, be prepared to never have money.

And kids are worth more than anything else in life, when you are ready.

Metal-Eater-GR wrote:

Does memorable Team Kills count?

Once,i C4'd a full black hawk in wake (round has just started) and then I said that it was a pilots redname bug.:p epic lulz

Well srsly now,I was arguing with a fucking idiot that was blaming me for hacking(in wake again).Well,he once found me in north village flag while i was trying to cap and he was trying to kill me with his z10 and I m95 him out of the cockpit.Epic lulz,after that he left the server

If team kills count, I was having fun doing a loan kidnaping on a guy that had been running around killing our team on purpose.  The first time I shot him, then I banked a granade off the wall, revived him and backed up so the granade took him out - washed and repeated till I ran out of ammo.  It was satisfying.

lsimio11 wrote:

I only have grenades unlocked for player abilities and i just unlocked the APM. Im thinking left support..

Fighting style? Charging and staying at the front of the line.

Start working on your Clark Shotty if you like front lines and close quarters.  Countless hours of fun will follow.

Also get your stamina so your can have more fun running guys down with the knife.

Your only real viable option is to delete the windows and program files folders from the drive after you slave it.  Just make sure there isn't anything you really need in there.  Have FUN

Correction - you are called an Appeaser if your solution to the problem means that you are giving in and sacrificing something along the way.  Your are not an appeaser be cause you do not want to go to war, only if your alternative means that you have given up somthing in order to pacify the terrorists.  You can have alteranative to war that do not include appeasement.

looks like your best bet is 2.5 since the supply is greater.  There will be limited supply of the 3.5 since they won't work in laptops and that is the primary focus of the product.  Your best bet would be picking up a 2.5 and putting it where you would normally mount a floppy.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi … ;name=32GB

Looks like an arm and a leg at best.  I would wait a year unless you have a serious need for a mobil computer.  You could go with a 10K drive or maybe an inexpensive SAS  control and Drive.

What is your definition of decent capacity, I would assume you understand you are going to have to pay though the nose for one of these right now?

Kmarion wrote:

I always joke it's my washer and dryer to my friends.
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But actually it would be my Home Theater.
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^{(Better pictures when I get home.)}

What the hell you doing for a living?

Anyway - definately my 3 kids and maybe the one on the way - still too early to call.

OK we are having an argument that the US should ban and control the flow and use of Guns.  Hell we can't control Drugs, Mexicans and morons behind the wheels of SUVs but some how we are going to stop the flow of guns into our country by passing a law.  We have been trying to stop the flow of drugs for what - over 30 years.  What has given any of you an indication we can stop the distribution of guns AND remove the ones that are already in circulation.

21 it worked for me.  Will will be done having our 4 kids before I turn 30 so I should be able to enjoy many years with my future Grand Kids and Great Grand kids if all goes well.  I don't see the point in waiting to start a family, but that is just me.

mikkel wrote:

KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:

mikkel wrote:

The governments with nationals detained by the US indefinitely without charge, for example, have all voiced demands that their citizens be released, but only the Western countries get frequent media exposure to their pleads. It's just a case of getting more attention when you're in control of the media.

No one ever said that the Western nations control the media. It's just a fact that Western leaders get much more exposure in mass media, as mass media is majorily Western.

You implied they controlled the media in your first comment.

I would have to argue that your government should concede that a crime was committed, but if the punishment is not seen as justifiable - which the alternatives to 15 days in jail were seen to be - then they have the right if not responsibility to make their argument to try and protect your health.  When they talked about possibly giving the old lady lashings, that could very well have killed her.

The most appropriate case would be the teenager in Singapore that was caned for spray painting the car.  Yes the US and western governments tried to get a lighter sentence but when they final decision was made to follow through on the caning, the government let the punishment go through as ordered.  We can and should try to reason with people we do not see eye to eye with, but ultimately, Sudan made a decision that they were comfortable with.  We would not have invaded the country or invoked sanctions because of their decision to punish this woman more severely.  It is called diplomacy and apparently the West is more willing to take diplomatic steps to protect our citizens than the rest of the world.

mikkel wrote:

KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:

Just a question, if you were in another country doing volunteer work and got in trouble, wouldn't you want your government to go to bat for you???????  My question would be why is there not a larger out cry from non-western countries when they feel their citizens are being subjected to laws that they find unjust or barbaric.  Maybe it is because western laws and punishments are no where near as harsh.

Perhaps it's because the leaders of smaller countries either respect the right to govern as countries see fit, or know that trying to force a Western country into any sort of submission is an exercise in futility. There's nothing barbaric about fifteen days in jail, and I'm pretty sure it's a lot more "unjust and barbaric" to be detained in secret prisons, tortured, or held for years without charge.

The governments with nationals detained by the US indefinitely without charge, for example, have all voiced demands that their citizens be released, but only the Western countries get frequent media exposure to their pleads. It's just a case of getting more attention when you're in control of the media.

My point is that you as a citizen would expect YOUR country to come to YOUR aid if your ass was in a sling on foreign soil.  Small countries have been making an impact on the US in re-guard to detention and imprisonment.  They sway public opinion through media coverage and they influence a government and election because the government has to answer to the people.  By the way, the western governments do not control the media - they are at the mercy of the media.  I elect my Government and Pay my taxes so that they will 1. represent me on domestic policy making and 2. Deal with foreign affairs including protection of my interests abroad.  I know they can't protect me from my stupidity, but they damn well better support me if I am a victim of circumstances. 

If smaller countries do not make an effort to protect thier citizens because their govenments don't give a crap - I can't help that.  If they do voice their objections then they have every right to be heard and they should be respected in doing so.

Just a question, if you were in another country doing volunteer work and got in trouble, wouldn't you want your government to go to bat for you???????  My question would be why is there not a larger out cry from non-western countries when they feel their citizens are being subjected to laws that they find unjust or barbaric.  Maybe it is because western laws and punishments are no where near as harsh.

The birth of 3 children.  The first was semi normal, at least that is what they tell me, the docotr was practically singing "Singin in the Rain" while he was spraying blood everywhere.  Then he decided I needed to see the Placenta up close and personal after I cut the cord.  The next two were C-Sections, not nearly as bad since they kinda keep you away from the action.  Kids rock but I could realy go for hte whole delivery by stork idea we were feed as kids.

I agree with Iron Chef - work the bastards and let them live as long as the like.  Privatize prisons so that they are profitable and no longer a bane on society and you will see more support for eliminating the death penalty.  If they had a primary task of manufacturing basic goods we could off set the imports we receive from China.  It isn't like we have to pay minimum wage.  They work to earn their room and board.  If they don't work they don't eat, just like any other person in the work force.  If I stopped working, I would loose everything including my next meal.  Just think how the balance of the economy would shift if all our prisons were self sustaining and were able to minimize out dependence on our communist friends.

Cop are always dicks, That is why you had them your paper work, get your ticket and deal with it in court.  Easier to deal with a judge than to take your chances with an ass of a cop who may or may not have just argued with his wife and found out his christmas bonus is a 5lb frozen turkey.

The cop only used the taser because he refused to follow instructoins, that by the way, were not very demanding or unreasoable.

Yes I have had my share of runnins with cops in a bad mood.  I was on a major highway in the right lane about .5 miles from my exit when I saw twp cops at an accident sceen that was off in the right ditch.  They were pulled about 30 feet off past the white line, partially in the grass.  I slowed to make sure I was doing the speed limit when I passed them.  As I got on the ramp one of them pulled up behind me and followed me.  As I was crossing the highway he pulled me over.  His excuse - I did not significantly slow down or change lanes when I passed them and I was endangering the officers at the sceen.  I handed him my in formation and informed him that I did not change lanes because I needed to exit and there was an SUV in my blind spot to the left.  He ran my info and returned - by the way we were on the side of a bridge and now he was standing in traffic instead of 30 feet off the side of the highway - I asked him how slow I should have been going so that I avoid this type of problem in the future.  He couldn't give me an answer, I asked if I should have been doing 55 instead of 65, he just repeated that I should have significantly slowed down.  My wife was next to be fuming.  Finally he let me go with a warning, after his bud rolled up in a second car, aparently the accident was not very important since the both left to give me a hard time.  The point is the guys were being dicks because they could and wanted to make a point.  I did not refuse to cooperate and I was as respectful as I could be while making my point and trying to get an explination.  I held my tought and did not tell the guy that I had slowed down from 80 to 65 in the first place.

looked simple enough to me, the guy refused to cooperate.  just take the ticket and fight it in court.  Don't try to walk away from a cop that is trying to hand you a ticket.

Georgia or LSU/Kansas maybe

Yes, you can connect multiple switches in a daisy chain.  It should not cause any issues.

My account is currently registered under an old, no longer active email account but when I tried to register my new email it never sent me a confirmation, and now it tells me I can not change my email because it is already in use.  Can one of the Mods clean up the DB for me.  My email just needs to be changed from Earthlink.net to hotmail.com.

Thanks.

Just remember, if they colapse our economy there will be no one left to buy their bargain basement goods.  China and the US are in it together for life, or until the purchasing power of Africa can pick up the slack.

Bucket and let the rest dry in an hour, less work.

ATG wrote:

Gold fish are used to shitty water quality ( literally ).
The clean water was a shock to their system, lol and that's what killed them.
Goldfish can usually deal with chlorine ok.

well crap.  I guess that means I am going to kill them again when I fill the pond back up.  So much to attempt number 2.

Do a decorative fish pond.  Maybe you can make one that looks nice for more than a day.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=83427

Ok, so I went on my mission to get new fish.  I bought 5 fish along with the chemicals to purify the new water.  By the time I got home the last fish from the pond finally died and my 4 year old found him, so we had to have a funeral and bury it in the back yard.  We put the new fish and cemicals in and all looked go.  I wake up this morning and the hose for the pump had sprung a leak last night and pumped all the water out of the pond.  I HATE FISH PONDS, the damn thing is out to get me.  So now I have a pond with about 1 inch of water and 5 fish.  My son dumped out the last of the chemicals to make the water safe so I have to go get more before I fill the pond again.  Hope this fish survive till after work, with my luck a cat or something will come along and eat them and I will have to go spend another $40 on fish. DAMN POND>

GraphicArtist J wrote:

Fish sticks for dinner!

You know, I was thinking about making Pizza, and the kids have never tried Sardines

Noobeater wrote:

probably removed all the oxygen in the pond so the fish suffocated ( you need lots of oxygenating plants in a large pond else they just die). ironically i had about 80 small Coy carp and goldfish some ghost fish (which we never saw after we released them into the pond as they're so damn well camouflaged, stupid mistake to buy them) and a sturgeon which we've had for about 7 years, a heron ate or ripped to shreds and left the bodies littered about 50 goldfish at least in a couple of weeks sturgeons probably alive but the ponds huge and about 1-1 1/2 metres deep and about 1 1/2 metres across so we've never seen it yet as it lives in the bottom or it died.

I was thinking about experimenting with this round of fish.  Thanks for the warning about what not to buy.

Entertayner wrote:

Just buy new goldfish?

I am, but I need to get them in the pond before the kids find out.  My wife is running interference all day but they ususally have daddy radar when I come home, the seem to always be waiting by the window when I pull in.  I will probably have to park aroudn the corner so I can get the fish in the pond before the realize I am home.

Hurricane wrote:

KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:

By the way, I do not look forward to the next water bill.

My house's pool just got filled up... by our own garden hose.

I havn't been home yet, but apparently I flooded the front yard.  It only ran for 12 hours.

So recently we bought a new house.  It came complete with a decorative pond that I thought I was going to tear out until my kids discovered it contained 3 gold fish. 

So last night I put the hose in the pond to fill it back up, it has be around 90-93 for the last week so the water is evaporating pretty quick.  I forgot to turn the water back off and it ran all night.  My wife called me at work this morning to tell me the fish drowned, too much clorine in the tap water probably.  So now I am on a spec ops mission to replace the gold fish before my 2 and 4 year olds discover they went belly up.

Anybody else have any amazing immortal pet stories from either the kid or parent angle?

By the way, I do not look forward to the next water bill.

Edit - Just got a call from my wife, turns out we had 5 fish and didn't know it, two small silver looking fish came floating to the top.  We had never seen them.  Oh well, guess I still only need to replace 3.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33229/118/

This has got to be the lamest failed media attempt.  I can't wait to see the 30 seconds on Dateline about how hackers are dangerous pitchfork wielding nut jobs.

Because you can.  That is the only reason you need.