still suffering piss poor reading comprehension Lowing? eh? I told you that you were not allowed to appeal to magic!! as in "oh it's not murder because I say its not & my word is law" doesn't cut it i'm afriad. To use a quote i'm sure you were familiar with in all your school report "MUST TRY HARDER".
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That's a negative, the onus is on you to prove that it ceases to be "murder" by some magical powers of " LOLowing state" for no other reason than it is decreed thus. Also, what about those executed that later are proven nnocent of any crime? given that an innocent has been "murdered " & all murder is punishable by death - I take it the executioner is definately fucked?
does that include the murderers of the murderers in LOLowing world? would you be able to get anyone to do the job in the first place knowing the consequences of their actions?.. looks forward to seeiing Lowing on this sticky wicket ***gets out popcorn***lowing wrote:
..snip... in my opinion ALL murderers should be put to death, but that is not the world we live in, and if labeling this a hate crime punctuates as death sentence for these assholes, so be it, call it a hate crime.
Big Al Megrahi's release was nothing other than a diplomatic middle finger to the U.S. over Bush signing the "The Libyan Claims Resolution Act " back in 08.
Ireland in the 1920's? Ireland, tonight, right now in East Belfast !!- Journalist shot, load of Catholic workers marched out of a shopping centre, shit is going sour real quick..Doctor Strangelove wrote:
Ireland in the 1920s begs to differ.
Oh wait I forgot, you don't consider Catholics to be real Christians do you. .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13869210
since touring round Bavaria in the summer it's all about Paulaner, couldn't believe my luck finding a bar/cafe selling it at the Rialto bridge in Venus. Italy, last weekend - even if it was 7 euro a beer, eeeek WTF like!! i'll never complain about the price of drink in Dublin again..
let's look at a classic example of censorship in the British media - Sinn Féin were banned from speaking in the media even though they were a democratically elected political party up until as recently as the early nineties - thanks to Mrs Thatcher ( the hero of the American Right) & her policy as she saw it, of "denying the oxygen of publicity to terrorists "- what did the media do? they hired actors to read the statements Sinn Féin were making lip synced to the Sinn Féin representatives making the statement, circumventing the Censorship legislation & challenged by the government through the courts - Censorship 0 Media 1
the ASA on the other hand is not "Government" censorship at all, by any stretch of the imagination - rather a an independent body interested in maintaining "Standards" in advertising. nothing is legally forced like the example of Government censorship cited above, but rather "requests" are made by the ASA and generally conformed with.
the ASA on the other hand is not "Government" censorship at all, by any stretch of the imagination - rather a an independent body interested in maintaining "Standards" in advertising. nothing is legally forced like the example of Government censorship cited above, but rather "requests" are made by the ASA and generally conformed with.
enjoyed reading Charlie Brookers comment on it in the Guardian..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … ero-mosque
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … ero-mosque
same shit has been argued for years here in the North of Ireland, the trouble is defining "Victim" - so it ends up the bomber killed by the device they planted to kill others is as much a victim apparently..
i'd a great holiday there recently in Germany down in Bavaria & The Black forest region, mucho bier drinking..
PS. steak and stout pie (Guiness) is a firm favourite of mine, nothing tacky about it at all.
edit (though you're right most "Irish" pubs world wide are tacky as fuck & that probably is what you're driving at, though the addition of Stake and stout pie is not one of the reasons why they are "tacky" Begorrrrrrrrrrra..)
PS. steak and stout pie (Guiness) is a firm favourite of mine, nothing tacky about it at all.
edit (though you're right most "Irish" pubs world wide are tacky as fuck & that probably is what you're driving at, though the addition of Stake and stout pie is not one of the reasons why they are "tacky" Begorrrrrrrrrrra..)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-10990921Decriminalising drug use could drastically reduce crime and improve health, the outgoing president of the Royal College of Physicians has said. Sir Ian Gilmore said the laws on misuse of drugs should be reviewed and that their supply should be regulated.
thought Graham Pole was an excellent Ref in the Brazil V's Chilé last night, the only real shocker besides the ref of the England V Germany game has been that Mexican with the slicked back hair. imo..
gotta love the English, they were beaten by Germany in 2001 & Kevin Keegan resigned and there was a chorus from all the experts of "No English man was up to the task of taking England to a world cup final, no one in England had the tatics or understanding of the game that European managers had" if you had suggested Roy Hodgson you would of been laughed at as a fool. So? they spent a gazzillion pounds on both Sven-Göran Eriksson & Fabio Capello resulting in no silverwear or gold and to add insult to injury then get thrashed by Germany worse than when poor oul Keegan was sipping from the poisoned chalice of the job as England Manager
Now today on the radio it's all - European Managers don't understand the English game, it needs an English man to do the job properly and apparently there's no better man than Roy Hodgson for the job.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA great entertainment alltogether..
Now today on the radio it's all - European Managers don't understand the English game, it needs an English man to do the job properly and apparently there's no better man than Roy Hodgson for the job.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA great entertainment alltogether..
aye.... in their minds maybe!! & that's the official IRA a different organisation to the Provisional IRA which was the main grouping in the North of Ireland, besides the democratic reality is completely different, so, no is the answer to that miss guided waffle. Again, I must say I think you do yourself a great disservice & look pretty fucking retarded with this constant trying to find some perceived equivocation between the British state & the IRA tbh. I think the Great British people would demand that they be held to a higher standard than a terrorist organisation, especially those who served the crown forces with integrity.Dilbert_X wrote:
The IRA callously killed plenty of entirely blameless civilians going about their lives, they should hand themselves in.
The IRA claimed to be the legitimate military wing of a legitimate govt in exile, they should be held to the exact same standards as the British then.
I couldn't agree more, however, the actions of a few terrorists certainly doesn't legitimate the callous indiscriminate murder of innocent Civilians by the State, nor give them the right to deliberately lie about their actions, cover up the fact, and alow the murderers to get off scot-free, so you can forget your piss poor fucking whataboutery as it doesn't hold water.Dilbert_X wrote:
And everything the IRA did was "unjustified and unjustifiable".
The point of the Savile enquiry was to establish why the instruments of the state murdered 14 innocent civilians & wounded 13 others. The people of Derry and the victims all knew the truth, and have been campaigning since the event to find justice for the innocent people murdered - for 38 years the stain of bloody Sunday officially was on the people of Derry who all this time have known the reality of what the States forces did that day. Now the whole world knows that the Stain is on the Crown Forces & no where else " unjustified and unjustifiable".Dilbert_X wrote:
So what was the point of the Savile enquiry?to what end?
Why don't you think IRA atrocities should be investigated? I don't really see how blowing up bandsmen in parks or people in pubs protects catholics from protestants.
Honestly, no-one I can think of in Britain gave a shit about Northern Ireland, no-one wanted our troops there, no-one gave a shit about the protestants and no-one would have been interested in helping the protestants kill catholics or vice-versa.
The catholic-protestant squabble is an Irish thing no-one outside Ireland gives a crap about.
The IRA were dumb enough to escalate the troubles and caused their fellow irishmen years of pain in the process.
Its a shame the SAS didn't whack Adams and McGuinness right at the start.
we don't need an enquirey into say the Enniskillen bombing because we know what terrorist grouping planted it , & we certainly know the people of Enniskillen didn't plant it and then blame the IRA.
to what end? at the end of the day the British state has painted its self as being the thin wedge in a sectarian conflict, almost like some kind of adjucator between two sides, while in reality it has very much been a keen part of the killing machine, through collusion with the loyalist death gangs and by the actions of its security forces - what is important to Nationalists is that history shows that to be the case.Dilbert_X wrote:
How about the IRA come clean on their atrocities, hand over the individuals concerned to be questioned in public and then we'll see.
Fairs fair.
That's a fair comment, and I agree there are too many such incidents and you feel rightly agrieved about those atrocities. After each incident however the full forces of the security services & law went after the perpetrators. Where nationalists feel agrieved is where the British state covered up it's attrocities here & lied about the murders it comitted, actually promoting most of the individuals involved. How can that then be equated to the likes of the Enniskillen bomb ?Dilbert_X wrote:
No-one with a brain does.IG-Calibre wrote:
what if either of them turn out to actually have been British agents all along? plenty of people believe this to be the case..Dilbert_X wrote:
There should be consequences, it would need to be proven in a court which is unlikely.
Personally I'd like Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams to face consequences for the people murdered on their orders.
Now lets have an inquiry into all the civilians they've had murdered.
really?Dilbert_X wrote:
No-one with a brain does.IG-Calibre wrote:
what if either of them turn out to actually have been British agents all along? plenty of people believe this to be the case..Dilbert_X wrote:
There should be consequences, it would need to be proven in a court which is unlikely.
Personally I'd like Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams to face consequences for the people murdered on their orders.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2006 … ernireland
what if either of them turn out to actually have been British agents all along? agent codenamed 'J118' ? plenty of people believe this to be the case..Dilbert_X wrote:
There should be consequences, it would need to be proven in a court which is unlikely.
Personally I'd like Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams to face consequences for the people murdered on their orders.
whatever, but how about answering the question? should there be consequences for the state murder of innocent civilians, yes or no? or do you not have a problem with heroes shooting dead civilians in the back? or those waving white flags? or the cold blooded murder of those going to the aid of injured and dieing? what's your stance? or is that just a classy British regiment in your eyes?Dilbert_X wrote:
That and the IRA admitted they were in the crowd, they admitted they had a sniper team in place which did shoot at the soldiers that day, and that the 17yr old who was shot was an IRA member.The backstory to why the soldiers fired on them was because in the past the IRA ASU's dressed up as civilians and mingled with crowds to mount attacks, the same as the insurgent forces in Iraq did. If they hadn't done that the soldiers wouldn't have been so edgy about a massive crowd when it started tossing missiles.
Savile found that McGuinness was carrying a machine-gun, too bad if the IRA don't want to hear it.
No, the back story is that that our heroic regiment had murdered 11 Civilians 6 months before in Ballymurphy including a local priest and a mother of eight children (given the result of Savile we can safely assume the same lies about coming under fire in Belfast were told) - they then went to Derry on Bloody sunday and murdered another 13 and shot and wounded 14 more. now the question is "should there be consequences?" or is the admission of guilt enough?M.O.A.B wrote:
Well no, its not meaningless.IG-Calibre wrote:
there is no "fact" that McGuinness was there armed, there was a claim by one anonymous RUC source that they had seen him - funny how no one else saw him, or that any of the photographs taken by many different sources of him show him to have been carrying any weapon, and which he denies himself. Your point is meaningless - no one was carrying any weapons - yes they all could of been armed to the teeth, but none were, Wilfred lied about them coming under sustained heavy fire of between 150 - 300 rounds, that's now the accepted version of events.M.O.A.B wrote:
The fact McGuinness was there and armed, regardless of whether he opened up or not, shows that anybody, literally anybody could have been carrying a weapon in that crowd. The soldiers would have understandably been on edge, even if they did conduct themselves poorly. Fact is though that if the IRA didn't use the mingling with civvies tactic, there's less chances the soldiers would have seen a threat from them to begin with. You can also bear in mind that the crowds were throwing bricks and bottles prior to the shooting, which hardly calms the nerves.
The backstory to why the soldiers fired on them was because in the past the IRA ASU's dressed up as civilians and mingled with crowds to mount attacks, the same as the insurgent forces in Iraq did. If they hadn't done that the soldiers wouldn't have been so edgy about a massive crowd when it started tossing missiles.
@Mek - I'm not trying to justify it. Moreso pointing out that the way the soldier's reacted to the events were a byproduct of the snipings and bombings and shootings.
there is no "fact" that McGuinness was there armed, there was a claim by one anonymous RUC source that they had seen him - funny how no one else saw him, or that any of the photographs taken by many different sources of him show him to have been carrying any weapon, and which he denies himself. Your point is meaningless - no one was carrying any weapons - yes they all could of been armed to the teeth, but none were, Wilfred lied about them coming under sustained heavy fire of between 150 - 300 rounds, that's now the accepted version of events.M.O.A.B wrote:
The fact McGuinness was there and armed, regardless of whether he opened up or not, shows that anybody, literally anybody could have been carrying a weapon in that crowd. The soldiers would have understandably been on edge, even if they did conduct themselves poorly. Fact is though that if the IRA didn't use the mingling with civvies tactic, there's less chances the soldiers would have seen a threat from them to begin with. You can also bear in mind that the crowds were throwing bricks and bottles prior to the shooting, which hardly calms the nerves.IG-Calibre wrote:
No, the Army / RUC falsely claimed the above - it's been proven beyond doubt that falsified accounts were given to both enquires - there has been no independently verifiable evidence to back that up only military claims - the whole thing about McGuinness is little more than a sop to the likes of you, that's a fact and has no baring on the murder of innocent people by the state as your Prime Minister stated in Parliament.Dilbert_X wrote:
The rioters weren't exactly sweetness and light, with sniper teams, submachine guns and nailbombs.
Now that conclusions have been reached, namely - the state unprovoked indiscriminately murdered 14 civilians - there must be consequences, non? that isn't acceptable to you?
are you a fucking idiot as well Dilbert_X? if the Savile report concludes that non of those murdered posed any threat to soldiers, had any weapons or bombs of any description and that the British opened fire first - what exactly was the provocation to their murder? Jesus.. are you a British Lowing? take it you're either a former or currently serving brit, to post the drivel you do, you must be.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Savile enquiry found different, and the IRA did make some admissions to that.IG-Calibre wrote:
No, the Army / RUC falsely claimed the above - it's been proven beyond doubt that falsified accounts were given to both enquires - there has been no independently verifiable evidence to back that up only military claims - the whole thing about McGuinness is little more than a sop to the likes of you, that's a fact and has no baring on the murder of innocent people by the state as your Prime Minister stated in Parliament.Dilbert_X wrote:
The rioters weren't exactly sweetness and light, with sniper teams, submachine guns and nailbombs.No one said they were unprovoked murders, they said they were innocent civilians who did not themselves deserve to be killed.Now that conclusions have been reached, namely - the state unprovoked indiscriminately murdered 14 civilians - there must be consequences, non? that isn't acceptable to you?
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Besides.. you failed to answer the question - setting asside "Dilbert_x's fantasy what happened on Bloody Sunday" given that your PM stated, and I quote -
given that the crown forces, indiscriminately murders 14 innocent civilians of that state - must there be consequences? or is the admission of guilt all that is necessary?The Prime Minister said:
•No warning had been given to any civilians before the soldiers opened fire
•None of the soldiers fired in response to attacks by petrol bombers or stone throwers
•Some of those killed or injured were clearly fleeing or going to help those injured or dying
•None of the casualties was posing a threat or doing anything that would justify their shooting
•Many of the soldiers lied about their actions
No, the Army / RUC falsely claimed the above - it's been proven beyond doubt that falsified accounts were given to both enquires - there has been no independently verifiable evidence to back that up only military claims - the whole thing about McGuinness is little more than a sop to the likes of you, that's a fact and has no baring on the murder of innocent people by the state as your Prime Minister stated in Parliament.Dilbert_X wrote:
The rioters weren't exactly sweetness and light, with sniper teams, submachine guns and nailbombs.
Now that conclusions have been reached, namely - the state unprovoked indiscriminately murdered 14 civilians - there must be consequences, non? that isn't acceptable to you?
Do you really seek a moral equivalence between the IRA & The Forces of the British state? Thats pretty fucking sad really? non? shame on you tbh. What we're debating now is the deliberate cold blooded murder of a states own Citizens by the forces of the State, and, it's response to these findings.Dilbert_X wrote:
Have the IRA ever given an honest account of anything?
Handed over their boys for prosecution?
A fair point - however this must call into question the 11 murders 6 month's previously ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballymurphy_Massacre ) by the same regiment in Belfast, given that it is clear that Soldiers falsified their accounts in Widgery & others again in Savile. Now while it's one thing to absolve the innocent, the sate must be seen by all to hold itself to account for crimes of murder against its own citizens. even if just to symbolically strip all the protagonists of all honours afforded them, and to retrospectively give all dishonourable discharges at the very least..Bertster7 wrote:
Damn straight it was.
Bloody Sunday was an absolute disgrace. The findings of this inquiry show that unambiguously.
I do think the reaction to the inquiry has been a little over the top though. All the calls for prosecuting those who testified to the inquiry on the basis that they would be immune for prosecution are absurd. If you have immunity from prosecution, that is immunity from prosecution - you can't then turn around and say "it was only immunity from prosecution for murder charges, not perjury charges". You can't retrospectively change the terms of immunity from prosecution - that would set a dangerous precedent.
Aye. Diplock courts must o' been a figment of my imagination.. silly me. No IRA personnel were ever prosecuted during the 40 years of the troubles, Long Kesh / Maghaberry were actually Holiday camps, Jesus how did you ever get into the RM's? to think they give a fucking idiot like you a gun & uniform..Vilham wrote:
Haha. Sure it was.IG-Calibre wrote:
I think you will find that for 4 decades the full vigour of the law was applied to all terrorists involved in the troubles - unlike the instruments of the state that killed indiscriminately without fear of prosecution..Vilham wrote:
Yup and then an inquiry in which all former members of the IRA go to trial. Like Jerry Adams, Mc Guiness and half of Sien Fien.
Derek Wilford again telling the Lies concocted by Mike Jackson saying that between 150 and 200 rounds were fired at his men before they returned fired on bloody Sunday- this, the man who believes the Paras were "magnificent" that day. What a fucking embarrassment to the British..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ire … 325283.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ire … 325283.stm
I think you will find that for 4 decades the full vigour of the law was applied to all terrorists involved in the troubles - unlike the instruments of the state that killed indiscriminately without fear of prosecution..Vilham wrote:
Yup and then an inquiry in which all former members of the IRA go to trial. Like Jerry Adams, Mc Guiness and half of Sien Fien.
interesting watching the person in command of the troops on Bloody Sunday now after the Savile report is published..
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/p … ry/3681327
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/p … ry/3681327
an RUC source called "Infliction" claimed to have seen Mc Guiness with the gun - none of the 30 thousand other marchers there did. wonder why? eh?Dilbert_X wrote:
The enquiry found that he was probably carrying a Thompson machine gun while at the demonstration, also that a 17 year old was carrying nail bombs.IG-Calibre wrote:
no.. an anonymous source made the claim to the enquiry that McGuiness was seen with a machine gun, which he completely refutes and which was not corroborate by anyone else - you ..
You either accept the enquiry as a whole or not at all.
Also'On balance', 12 years, hundreds of millions of pounds and thats as far as it goes, 'on balance'.....Saville says that there was "some firing by republican paramilitaries" but that on balance the Army fired first.
A member of the Official IRA told the inquiry that they had shot at soldiers very early on in retaliation to the shooting of two of the protesters. Saville said: "These two Official IRA members had gone to a pre-arranged sniping position in order to fire at the soldiers; and probably did so when an opportunity presented itself rather than because two civilians had been injured."
So its still a fine balance between who fired first, the British or the IRA.
again you're trying to Justify the unjustifiable.. I do accept the whole findings of the enquiry which has completely disgraced the crown forces, next up the enquiry for the familys into the Ballymurphy massacre in 1971 when the crown forces murdered another 9 civilians, I hope these familys get the same closure as the bloody Sunday familys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballymurphy_Massacre
no.. an anonymous source made the claim to the enquiry that McGuiness was seen with a machine gun, which he completely refutes and which was not corroborate by anyone else - you know? the thousands of non-IRA innocent Civil rights marchers that were on the march - there are numerious photos of McGuinness and none show him carrying any weapon. The Brits opened fire - they didn't return it as they claimed LIED, there were no nail bombers either, more lies from Jackson - they murdered innocent people, the heroes of the British army murdered people with their hands in the air / or shot them dead in the back running away, even one waving a white flag trying to go to the aid of another. Classy regiment the Paras. So your post holds no water, the IRA are in no way to blame for the crown forces actions on Bloody Sunday in Derry. I'd read your Prime ministers statement again..Dilbert_X wrote:
There were IRA guys in the crowd with machine guns though, while the victims may be blameless the IRA aren't.IG-Calibre wrote:
what a siht fucking scummy post.. are you blind? have you not watched any news today?Dilbert_X wrote:
Suggest waiting until the report is out.
'Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, Sinn Fein, was present at the time of the violence and "probably armed with a sub-machine gun" but did not engage in "any activity that provided any of the soldiers with any justification for opening fire"'
Its just as likely its a whitewash to keep the IRA in the peace process.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … untry.htmlThe long-awaited Saville Report cleared the victims of any blame for the killings during a civil rights march in Londonderry more than 38 years ago.
Scum in Britsh uniform murdered 14 innocent people and more scum covered it up - then they all went off to buck palace for tea & buns and Medals from lizzy Windsor. Fact, as now recorded by history.
I'm not saying the paratroopers were in the right, or that using shock troops for police work is sensible.
what a siht fucking scummy post.. are you blind? have you not watched any news today?Dilbert_X wrote:
Suggest waiting until the report is out.IG-Calibre wrote:
well I reckon after today mate you can throw that "shit book" in the bin, eh? THEY WERE ALL COMPLETELY INNOCENT end of story..
'Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, Sinn Fein, was present at the time of the violence and "probably armed with a sub-machine gun" but did not engage in "any activity that provided any of the soldiers with any justification for opening fire"'
Its just as likely its a whitewash to keep the IRA in the peace process.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … untry.htmlThe long-awaited Saville Report cleared the victims of any blame for the killings during a civil rights march in Londonderry more than 38 years ago.
Scum in Britsh uniform murdered 14 innocent people and more scum covered it up - then they all went off to buck palace for tea & buns and Medals from lizzy Windsor. Fact, as now recorded by history.
well I reckon after today mate you can throw that "shit book" in the bin, eh? THEY WERE ALL COMPLETELY INNOCENT end of story..The_Guardsman wrote:
I have a book at home called Bloody Sunday Lord Widgery's report 1972. The chap l think your on about when examined had lead deposits on his scarf and hands, which indicates he had used a fire arm.IG-Calibre wrote:
One victim was found to have a bullet pass through one underarm and out the other ...he had his arms in the air.
Aye, probably waving a White handkerchief in the air - there is no evidence to support the claim that any civilian was firing a rifle, & also the question surrounding the legitimacy of the 4 "nail Bombs"
Had a flick through the book and it says of the deceased
5 had no evidence of having used fire arms or nail bombs, but some had been near others that had
8 Had evidence of using fire arms or throwing nail bombs
It also mentions one of the dead was found with 4 nail bombs in his clothing and that one of the injured was hit by a low-velocity round fired wildly by a civie.
I can't in an instance belive that Soldiers just open fire for fits and giggles. I belive they were provoked into firing, granted it maybe over the top l will admit that and innocents people died, but heres a quote from the book.
"There would have been no deaths in Londonderry on 30th of January if those who organised the illegal march had not thereby created a highly dangerous situation in which a clash between demonstrators and the security forces was almost inevitable."
At the end of the day the terrorists that committed the bombings and killing of British soldiers, RUC officers and Civilians are all free.
I belive that the IRA and other groups such as the LUF, UVF, CIRA, PIRA, RIRA and the such are terrorists and not freedom fighters, maybe years ago the IRA could have been classed as freedom fighters, but now ,no. As soon as you start killing Innocent civilian by executing and bombings and doing illegal activities such as drug dealing, extortion and the such are terrorists and nothing more!
fiver says the whole thing collapses and another general election called before the years out!
Hey!!!!! what do ya know.... another thread of LOLowing pure comedy gold, haven't read one of those in aaaaaaaaaaages..
I think there are a lot of positives to be taken out of the last election for Irish Nationalists / Republicans in the North of Ireland.
1 - TUV we're absolutely annihilated, hopefully now Jim Allister will do a "Bob McCartney" & fuck off. The "won't have a Catholic about the place brigade" have been completely rejected by the Protestant population of Northern Ireland.
2 - The UU / Conservatives were completely rejected at the ballot box
3 - An Irish Nationalist political party is now the majority political party for the first time in the history of the state.
4 - Even when a " Unified unionist" candidate what stood at the demand of the Orange Order in Fermanagh / South Tyrone - they were still defeated.
The Orange state is well and truly finished on the island of Ireland.
1 - TUV we're absolutely annihilated, hopefully now Jim Allister will do a "Bob McCartney" & fuck off. The "won't have a Catholic about the place brigade" have been completely rejected by the Protestant population of Northern Ireland.
2 - The UU / Conservatives were completely rejected at the ballot box
3 - An Irish Nationalist political party is now the majority political party for the first time in the history of the state.
4 - Even when a " Unified unionist" candidate what stood at the demand of the Orange Order in Fermanagh / South Tyrone - they were still defeated.
The Orange state is well and truly finished on the island of Ireland.
quality piece of canvasing "how many of yiz are robbers??"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/ … 681.stm?ls
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/ … 681.stm?ls
Anti-gay US pastor took rent boy on holiday
A baptist minister who is one of America's leading opponents of gay rights, and who believes that homosexuality is a mental disorder that can be “cured”, found himself with some serious explaining to do yesterday after he was photographed at Miami airport with a male prostitute he had hired to join him on a European holiday.
George Alan Rekers, a middle-aged co-founder of the right-wing Family Research Council, admitted taking the 20-year-old on a 10-day trip to London and Madrid in March.
Rekers met the sex worker on the website www.rentboy.com, where he appears under the alias “Lucien” and claims to be “sensual,” “wild” and “up for anything”.
Rekers, who has appeared as an expert witness in court cases challenging gay adoption, denied having sex with his travelling companion. He had hired Lucien to help carry his luggage, he told reporters, and only found out that he was a prostitute on the trip.
“I had surgery and I can't lift luggage,” Rekers told the Miami New Times. “That's why I hired him.” He declined to say why he had secured bag-carrying services through rentboy.com.
Rekers also neglected to explain what had drawn him to Lucien, who has long blond hair and well developed muscles in pictures on the website.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ … z0n9Frzd7n
A baptist minister who is one of America's leading opponents of gay rights, and who believes that homosexuality is a mental disorder that can be “cured”, found himself with some serious explaining to do yesterday after he was photographed at Miami airport with a male prostitute he had hired to join him on a European holiday.
George Alan Rekers, a middle-aged co-founder of the right-wing Family Research Council, admitted taking the 20-year-old on a 10-day trip to London and Madrid in March.
Rekers met the sex worker on the website www.rentboy.com, where he appears under the alias “Lucien” and claims to be “sensual,” “wild” and “up for anything”.
Rekers, who has appeared as an expert witness in court cases challenging gay adoption, denied having sex with his travelling companion. He had hired Lucien to help carry his luggage, he told reporters, and only found out that he was a prostitute on the trip.
“I had surgery and I can't lift luggage,” Rekers told the Miami New Times. “That's why I hired him.” He declined to say why he had secured bag-carrying services through rentboy.com.
Rekers also neglected to explain what had drawn him to Lucien, who has long blond hair and well developed muscles in pictures on the website.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ … z0n9Frzd7n
Take that Sasanach's!!! that's 5 outta the last 6 now I think!!
Go Canada!! really enjoyed this years winter Olympics, tbh my first ever in HD and I gotta say wow!! really does give you a whole different perspective and a really increased perception of the speeds involved - have had many great night craic with friends for the duration watching it..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8529884.stmPolice were left with just minutes to clear the area around Newry courthouse before a car bomb weighing up to 250lbs exploded on Monday night.
No-one was killed or injured in the blast which was heard two miles away. But police said that was a "sheer miracle".
Dissident republicans are being blamed for the attack in which a number of buildings were damaged.
Newry centre could be closed for two days as a security operation continues.
"We could have been looking today at multiple deaths," Police Chief Superintendent Alisdair Robinson said.
People were still being moved to safety at the time of the explosion.
"It was very significant," he said.
"It was certainly big enough to have caused multiple casualties to anyone passing."
He said the blast happened just 17 minutes after a telephone warning which said that it would go off in half an hour.
Buildings in New Street including Downshire Road Presbyterian Church were damaged in the explosion.
The gates of the courthouse and a security hut were destroyed in the attack which is thought to be the work of dissident republicans opposed to the peace process.
There is severe traffic disruption in Newry as the area remains cordoned off and a security operation continues.
The main A1 road from Belfast to Newry has been closed at Damolly roundabout. Other roads closed include: Canal Street, Canal Quay, New Street, Trevor Hill, Church Avenue and Sandy Street.
Chief Constable Matt Baggott rejected suggestions that the police and the government had become complacent about the threat posed by dissident republicans.
"We have put many more police officers back on the streets, we are continuing to invest in the right capabilities and technology to tackle the dissident threat, and we are fully behind the devolution of power to Stormont, because again that's about the political consensus that we need," he said.
Chief Superintendent Robinson said: "We didn't get any calls warning of the bomb until 10.20pm which was from a third party.
"That stated that we had around 30 minutes to clear the area. The explosion went off at 10.37pm which was 17 minutes later.
"At the time we were still clearing the area. But for the fact there was divine intervention, there could have been multiple casualties."
The attack comes days after a mortar bomb was abandoned near a police station in the village of Keady, about 20 miles away.
The attack is thought to be the first time a large car bomb has exploded in Northern Ireland since the bombing of Stewartstown police station in 2000.
In the last few years a number of large car bombs been have planted but have either failed to detonate or only partially detonated.
There have also been several attacks with smaller under-car bombs such as the one which almost killed a police officer in County Antrim in January.
BBC NI Home Affairs correspondent Vincent Kearney said police had been bracing themselves for some kind of response to the Hillsborough Agreement, signed just over two weeks ago.
"The fact that it has taken them so long to respond tells us something about their capabilities," he said.
Prime Minster Gordon Brown's official spokesman condemned the attack.
"Such acts are entirely unrepresentative of the views of the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland ... we will not allow a tiny minority to turn the clock back," he said.
Sinn Fein MP for Newry and Armagh Conor Murphy said: "The fact that we're in the process of devolving policing and justice powers and there's an attack on a courthouse will not be lost on people.
aye, but the Irish flooded across the Irish sea and the Atlantic ocean to fight with the British, Canadians & even the Nazi's - unobstructed by their government who didn't interveen to stop them, we're not called the fighting Irish for no reason! can't say the same for the United states though..Dilbert_X wrote:
Ireland stayed 'neutral' throughout.Braddock wrote:
That still doesn't explain why the US sat on its hands for so long when a world war was in progress... appeasement indeed.
what part of you're talking out your fucking hoop do you not understand?lowing wrote:
Ummm what part of IN FRANCE did you miss?IG-Calibre wrote:
No room for islamic culture in France? Liberté, égalité, fraternité! - tell that to all the Muslim war heroes from her North African colonies of Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia who died and spilled blood for her liberation during WW2!!lowing wrote:
It is not religion France is after, it is culture, Islamic culture is best left in the ME not in France, Europe or the US. It is time you started recognizing Islam is much more than howe many times of day you pray..
No room for islamic culture in France? Liberté, égalité, fraternité! - tell that to all the Muslim war heroes from her North African colonies of Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia who died and spilled blood for her liberation during WW2!!lowing wrote:
It is not religion France is after, it is culture, Islamic culture is best left in the ME not in France, Europe or the US. It is time you started recognizing Islam is much more than howe many times of day you pray..
ahhhhhhhhhh, can you not pursue your hate agenda through it? must be frustrating for you? shame..lowing wrote:
What I think of hockey? I hate hockey, and so would everyone else if it were not for the fighting that is needed to make some people watch it. for me, I have no use for it.
not only that, but I literally laughed my head off too... i'm actually sitting here.. headless... typing this reply as my head rolls around the floor; eyes blinded by tears of laughter!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... imagine that...Lowing you're a comedic genius!! ever thought about the stage?lowing wrote:
Really? you mean you have "literally" busted a gut laughing?IG-Calibre wrote:
Mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha so are you now claiming that the French revolution was in response to Islam Lowing? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight lowing (I think I may have quite literally bust my gut laughing at that), you really are a fucking cretin, & I can't believe I haven't said that for at least 4 pages or more..lowing wrote:
As long as you admit what France has done is in response to Islam...
Mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha so are you now claiming that the French revolution was in response to Islam Lowing? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight lowing (I think I may have quite literally bust my gut laughing at that), you really are a fucking cretin, & I can't believe I haven't said that for at least 4 pages or more..lowing wrote:
As long as you admit what France has done is in response to Islam...