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I'm really not one to complain  but I dont think its such a bad idea if the top player was based on skill and the calculation of who the top player was refreshed on a time table.  I mean as it is now what hope is there for someone who goes out and buys the game tomorrow to be even calculated into the leaderboards at a reasonable position?  None.

I can see people already saying, well you shouldnt play for stats blah blah blah but if its a part of the game (and it is) why shouldnt it be a part of the game that made sense?  In retrospect I just really think they dropped the ball when they were thinking up this portion of bf2. And by no means am I saying that the idea for calculating leaderboard position based on the previous mentioned formula is the right one, I merely borrowed it from bftracks.  A site that was a huge success in terms of giving the community a stat system that made sense long before bf2.

chuyskywalker wrote:

I don't get why this is so hard to comprehend. The whole of BF series is based around Militaries. Generally speaking "time in service" quite often equates to "rank in service", Some times it is because you're good, but often it is simply due to seniority.

As for you, Mr. Hotbutter, chill it down a bit. They only give this rank out to ONE player. It is superceeded because it is something that MUST be done server side because it can't be done client side -- clients have no idea who the highest ranked player is.

I'm sorry,  I suppose after a few conversations with some people today I have begun to miss bftracks.  I have always thought the devs really could have learned something from some of the formulas and methods they used to come up with their leaderboards.  I think we all can agree that as it is now the leaderboards  are somewhat of a joke.  I mean when you remove the skill factor from your equation to calculate leaderboard positions then really they become a joke.

This is the reason why alot of people don't take the leaderboards seriously (slowly I am becoming one of those people).  I understand that these ranks are based on seniority and I suppose I don't have a problem with that come to think of it, but I do have a problem with the way leaderboards are calculated as of now.  I suppose that is a bit off topic, but as I mentioned earlier some of the conversations I had today really got me thinking...and I have become somewhat disenchanted with the system.

So what would I have done if they would have let me play God with the stat system when the game was being made?  I would have based Sgt Major of the corps on overall monthly play of all ranks, leaving in the possibility that if a Sgt. played well enough on that given month he or she could earn that top spot.  I would have based the leaderboards on  an equation that takes into account KDR, SPM, Team Winning Percentage  with a bonus given for smalls arms KDR and a smaller bonus for time played. Also I would have made the leaderboards based on a monthly basis, meaning that every month you started from scratch thus making it possible for someone new to the game to have just as much of a chance for a spot in the top 20 as someone who has played since the game came out.  That in itself would keep the game fresh. forgive me for standing on my soap box but really it all just got me thinking and I feel irked.

chuyskywalker wrote:

Ubar isn't "wrong" so much as "superceeded". This rank is awarded 'by hand' on the backend by EA/IGN. It can be given and taken at will, so "requirements" aren't really 'required'.

Then that begs the question what the hell is the point?  If they can apparently give this stuff out with out it actually being earned then whats the point?  Its disgusting enough that the leaderboards are based on time played and not skill now they are apparently giving away top honors because they "felt" like it.

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Alright so I am confused, is it just that UBAR is wrong?  Or did they change something?  Anyone know for sure?

Wow very very nice feature, I love it.

Oh yeah I had seen that one before, funny stuff.

downloading....will report back after watching.

Greenie_Beazinie wrote:

ProDicTeD wrote:

keyboard is better for chopper, but for jets it sux, so if you are really using a keyboard and get a good k/d ratio respect !!! You have some mad skillz honestly

edit: no saracasm btw!

I only use KB for jets.. never tried Joystick.

I'm working on improving my KDR with jets, its more of a time thing though.. cause your jet KDR never goes down. I find it difficult to get a jet alot of rounds.

Yeah it was a little bit to easy but hey I cant control whos on a server, and to be fair that wasnt my best score in a jet haha.

tF-afrojap wrote:

Haha, awww my own thread. Well, thanks for the concern. I wish I had the skillz to knife 100/hour!

Geesh everyone is getting their own thread around here!  I feel so left out, shouldnt I be called a l337 hax0r by now?!

ReconSOC wrote:

Ya man we really had a nice run there.  I finished last night with 12 wins and 0 losses.  You should have stuck around for clean sweep - that was a really good few rounds.

Yeah thats the great thing about squading up with you guys,  I think I have about 2 losses in all the rounds we have played haha.

One of my better rounds in a jet...

And thats not even with a joystick.  So I wouldnt think its impossible to average that high of a KDR with the right tools.

A KDR that high is actually easier in a fighter.  In a fighter it is much harder to be shot down, thus giving you much more time in the air then waiting for a jet.  And once you master the art of bombing at any angle its not hard to keep on doing it.  Though I suspect he uses his guns alot more then his bombs.  Those guns eat everything alive aside from tanks.

ReconSOC wrote:

Gilgalad wrote:

@Horseman 77: Yeah, fast load doesn't mean he cheats. RAM quantity isn't really a factor either. Players with the 74 GB raptors load fastest, followed by those with 36 GB raptors. This is presuming that they have at least a P4 3.2 GHz or equivalent performance Athlon 64.

I wish I had somebody to revive me.

Actually the 2 Gigs or RAM does help alot during the "verifying client data" stage. 

My rig is a P4 3.2 Ghz, 2 Gigs RAM, 78 Gig Raptor, BFG 6800GT OC and I load up a few seconds after Bushviper does, so I imagine he has something better.  My old rig was a P4 2.4 Ghz, 1Gig of RAM, 7200 RPM WD HDD with the same video card and I was loading about 30-40 seconds later.

I only have a gig of ram and I load in 5-10 seconds after u guys do.  BTW nice to see you on the forums Recon!  We sure did some pwning earlier today eh?

VIKING-LOVER1 wrote:

HELLO  guys,   i think your missing the point though bro's after reviewing his stats  you will notice he played most on the USMC side , "which means" 2bombs per load , he also plays big maps "which means" it takes time to reload' as well you will notice his his gold meadals (230) and silver and bronze are very low for the hours spent in play, also LOL, he has a best round of 479, < and look at his playing time verses when he enrolled date till now ....LOL 3 months ,
his combat is actualy higher than his global score,
of course even his "team damage and team kills" are totaly low for his outragous score' and whats more enteresting' is i figured "given the time hes put in to date" hes averaging 153.8 kills an hour...LOL...

it dont take a rocket scientest to figure out what hes doing.

Fell'as we're ether dealing with a highly trained aireal acrobat' that totaly understands combat flying and has served as a navy or air force  pilot with several diffrent planes under his belt'...or????? ....LOL

WE ARE SEEING THE BIGEST "DARE I SAY" HACK!! ( retard )in the game

now ' im not one for yelling hack' simply because ive been accused of it' i would consider myself a proficient pilot in the game you  can look at my stats' its my number one fav'  but...LOL when i see these kinds of stats looming about ,, i cant figure out how you guys make your stats appear' on here so your more than welcome to look > VIKING-LOVER1

but this guy in "my opinion" is a bogus hack , nothing more ' nothing less' lol.. chances are he has another account or somthing

He maybe a plane whoring bastard who abuses the game and misses the point of battlefield, BUT he is no hack.

Am I the only one who didnt get it on Karkand?  I got it on wake.

I also have it....probably the most fun expert badge to get.

He posts on the Planet Battlefield Forums sometimes, he really is what his name says.  I have yet to play with him but I find his misplaced arrogance somewhat disturbing.  A player who only flys jet, only drives tanks only stat pads in a BH....they are all the same garbage to me.

People have accused me of being an armor whore but I am quick to point out I have more hrs with the assualt rifle then the tank, a better ratio with a jet and generally I have more fun ground pounding in a good squad.  Its that sort of 50:1 KDR that reminds us of how people have been exploiting battlefield since it came out.

I play with Bushviper quite often.  He is as good as advertised, really a good time being in his squad.  Its not so much that he is an incredible player, but more that he makes the people around him better.  Like a point guard or something. 

Buuuuut sometimes I like to get the best of him...



Seriously though if ur on his xfire list I suggest you catch a game with or against him.

Yeah as someone who has kdr of almost exactly 3 I gotta say vehicles are the key. When  I use jets, armor or helis my kdr is almost always above 5, 10 or 30 if I am having a good round.  BUT as someone who also likes to ground pound its very important to be efficient with the assualt rifle.  Sadly my kdr with that is only 1.90, but hey its improving slowly :-)

No you shouldnt have a problem getting that medal.  I had both my vet engineer combat badge as well the medic combat badge when I got the Combat Infantry medal.

Well I have tried twice to get the badge since I read the new reqs,  Both times I have gotten way over 12 kills in armor and I defn have the amount of time needed for it, anyone else having this issue?  The same thing applies for Expert Engi badge.  Help?

Ag3nT-()r@ng3 wrote:

HotButter wrote:

Yes with BFtracks there were problems with map exploiters and hackers etc etc, BUT the system on which they tried to run things is leaps and bounds ahead of what EA has put forth.

I fully agree, that the points were calculated a much better way!
Only wanted to make sure, that u realised it wasn't only skill.
You could trick the system not that hard. I was always in the Top 75 - but the legit way!!!


Greetz,
Agent

Lol i was one of the worst chopper whores in bfv so yeah I know the system did reward the people it shouldnt have sometimes.  As I was in the top 10 for quite sometime haha.  But again with a little common sense that system could be improved and be put in place of the current leaderboards.

Yes with BFtracks there were problems with map exploiters and hackers etc etc, BUT the system on which they tried to run things is leaps and bounds ahead of what EA has put forth.

JohnnyJust  add me to the list when you can pwease.

Well regardless of others opinions I am sure it was a case of exploiting in some form or another.  That much I think the majority of us can agree on.  As far as exactly what the specifics of it were, no one can say for sure (aside from EA, and I dont think we will be hearing from them).

So despite the specifics, I am happy with the end result.  Now if they might just look a bit closer at the leaderboards eh?  Like someone said earlier, they are a joke.  Personally I think the leaderboards should include ratios such as kdr and spm with a bonus for for infantry combat and a smaller bonus for amount of time played.

IF ea really wanted to get it right, they would consider asking the devs of BFtracks for help.  Atleast there the leaderboards were based on skill instead of time played.

Charlie_melvin wrote:

It works out, that to get 8092 points (providing that it's 1 point per revive) in the 142 hours he's played as a medic he has to revive someone every 63 seconds! That is not at all impossible! especially if you've been playing the game for over 310hours!
The only thing that catches my eye is the 309 points in a round on dragon valley, this is high! however for someone who has a lot of playing time/experience it could be possible. (if he's support/medic/engineer flying the BH fully loaded capping flags all round thats quite possible even more so if he was commander that game)

The only other thing I can think of is that there is a glitch with your stats when EA sees them as it says that you enrolled, played your last battle, and had your last EA update on the 31st december 1969? (didn't think the game was that old)
If I were you fistfullofclams, (although frustrating) I'd keep on EA's back keep pestering them till they show you proof that you've done wrong, cos from what I can see you've played long and hard to get what you've got!

Well first I am pretty sure its 2 points per revive.  But as far as it being possible to average a revive every 63 seconds, I am sure its not.  Why am I so sure?  Look at my hours played as both medic and at karkand, in all the time I have spent playing never has the chance to revive someone once a minute for an hour ever presented itself.  Think of all the time you spend waiting to spawn in an hour, locating a teamate to revive and then finding time to kill people.  It just isnt within the realm of plausibility to be able to do all of those things every minute for 142 hrs. He was exploiting the system and helping to make a joke of the leaderboards, I am sorry but he got what he deserved

Hmmm I didnt know anyone actually believed that the guys in the top 5 actually got there without padding.  With the exception of Black Jesus  I am sure that 1-4 have padded quite a bit.  Look at [TR] Dissb for example.  He has 382 hrs as medic and about 15,000 revives.  If you do the math it comes out to about 40 revives an hr,  if you think that is really possibly u are fooling urself IMHO.

Has anyone actually looked at his stats!?  He has over 8K revives, thats why he got reset and if you ask me he deserved it. 8k revives simply isnt possible while playing legit, its so obvious that he had been doing the knife/revive its disgusting.