It's quite interesting to me that many non-US people are taking quite an interest of this.....Seriously, with what many of the non-US people say about us on this forum, I'm getting the distinct feeling that you guys don't like us (USA) so much...since we are oil-guzzling imperialists and such....it seems to me you should encourage such activities so the population of the states equal the magic number of 0. So, then you'd have something else to bitch about...but please continue...ty
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Hey Poe...now my last name is Morris and my family immigrated from Ireland to Scotland around 1066 and the Clan Buchanon adopted our family in a form of a sept...now my father married my mother who is 100% Norweigan...so I'm a half-breed American...lol...so is it okay for me to wear my Clan Buchanon tartan without being beaten down? This is off topic but saw you are in Oslo...your fam must be well off or at least you are...please advise on my question...ty
IMHO, I feel that we are in Iraq for the second time to deal with a problem that we created....Saddam....and that he bit the hand that was feeding him (oil for food). In Desert Shield/Storm, I had the utmost confidence in our commanders and leaders...and we didn't take out Saddam....Why? This is not to derail.
BeerzGod, get a grip man, j/k...if an official ever got elected by duping the public that he's not a neo-facist...wanted to use Mein Kampf as the oath "device"...You will find that the American public would be very attentive toward this manner...and surely he'd be blackballed immediately by his peers in governance...so this is a good thing right? See...what we have to look out for are the sneaky ones...see their not going to stick their neck out on the line for something as trivial as tradition....they'll use clandestine activities to implement policy.....muahahahahaha...BeerzGod wrote:
I say fuck Muslims, the extremist ones who want the Islamicization of America. NO religious text (This includes the Bible) has EVER been used in this ceremony before. The only thing you ever see is the symbolic photo-ops showing people with their hand on the Bible. It has NEVER been used in a ceremony before and never should be. The fact that this Senator wannabe is trying to force the issue is ludacris. If this guy can swear in on a copy of the Quran then what stops someone from swearing in on a copy of Mein Kampf, the Nazi Bible. Wait, let's not stop there... why not allow someone to swear in to office on a copy of the Satanists Bible. Where do we draw the line? I'm so tired of this country lately and how we're completely laying down our way of life to "understand" everyone else. If we're doomed to be the most hated country in the World then let's at least uphold that title and get back to: "This is OUR country, OUR laws, OUR way of life, and OUR rules. If you don't agree with them then fuck off!"
Stingray, respectfully, do you really feel that this is another PC BS matter? Are you really offended that someone would break a time honored tradition without thinking about it lightly? And of this tradition...as you well pointed out, other elected officials of differing faiths have taken the oath from the Bible...which leaves me to conclude that this tradition really doesn't have much value...but this alas is my opinion. As an example...can you trust a Jew to take the oath on a Bible....can you trust a Muslim who takes an oath on the Bible? Am I splitting hairs?Stingray24 wrote:
Plenty of people of other religious affiliation and no religious affiliation have taken their oath on the Bible to honor tradition. Taking the oath of office on a Bible has been a part of our heritage since the first elected officials took office. The senator-elect is showing his contempt for our country's traditions and he's not even in office yet. That is what's sad.CameronPoe wrote:
He's a muslim. Taking an oath on a bible would be horseshit. What the OP appears to be implying (i.e., OMG muslimz tak1ng 0v3r) is kind of depressing given that USA is supposed to be the great cultural melting pot, with freedom of speech, religion, etc.
Stingray, respectfully...I encourage everyone to vote regardless of their views...and it is quite true that if Christians have the majority then it will reflect on their vote....I am completly with you about all of the PC BS issues out there about replacing Christmas with holidays...and examples like that...and if you dont want to say the pledge, more power to ya...Now I was raised Christian, but no longer am...I reverted back to the old Norse gods due to my heritage...I still have my two bibles and read it from time to time for reference...like any mythology....but my question for you is what do you have to fear with all this PC BS revolution? Does it jeopardize your faith? I'm not being a smartass...just wondering...
I'd like to see the various Christian churches of America start to pay taxes...then you may have a right to dictate policy on government and politicians...
Women want good breeding stock....they want beautiful children....and, of course, financial security.
I believe that there is a 1 liter Chinese tea pot that circles in orbit between the sun and mercury....now we cannot see this spectacle with the best telescopes on the planet or in space....I cant prove to you that it is there...and you cannot prove to me that it isnt....yet, I still believe it is there however improbable it may be....
Interesting format...i'll bite...
1. Do you believe abortion should be legal? Yes
2. Do you approve of premarital sex? Up to individuals
3. Do you believe in the concept of a higher being (a 'god', if you will)? Hmm, yes
4. Do you follow one of the main mono-theistic faiths, do you follow another type of faith or are you an atheist or agnostic? Practicing polytheist
5. Do you believe in racial equality? Yes
6. Do you believe in equality of the sexes? Yes
7. Do you believe stay-at-home mums (moms) are what is best for children? IDK
8. Do you believe spanking your own children is acceptable? Yes
9. Do you believe in positive discrimination based on:
a) race? No
b) sex? No....hell...send women into combat is what I say
c) disability? discresion and good common sense
d) other? (Please state)
10. Do you believe in 'tax the rich to help the poor' social policy? absolutely
11. Do you believe in free medical care for all at the expense of the taxpayer? yes, and I already do in taxes
12. Do you believe in free education for all at the expense of the taxpayer (right through to university level)? yes and willing to pay for it in taxes
13. Do you believe the so-called 'war on terror' is being fought effectively? no
14. Do you believe using animals for the purposes of scientific/medical research is acceptable? yes
15. Do you believe using human embryos for the purposes of scientific/medical research is acceptable? absolutely
16. Do you prefer protectionism and isolationism to intervention and the expansion of your nation's interests abroad? too complex to say yea or nay
17. Do you believe the pre-emptive use of force in the name of 'defence' is generally acceptable? case by case senario
18. Do you think gay marriages should be legalised? I dont care I'm not gay
19. Do you believe in the death penalty? yes
20. Do you believe in imprisonment without charge or trial? no
21. Do you believe the use of torture is ever acceptable? no
22. Do you believe your nation should be doing all it can to exploit advantages abroad that will strengthen the economy of the nation, irrespective of the effects on the nation being 'exploited'? no
23. Do you believe it is acceptable to undermine the democratically elected governments of other countries?
not really
24. Do you believe 'global warming' is all just scaremongering? no
25. Do you believe in agitating towards regime change in other countries:
a) at all?
b) through political/diplomatic pressure?
c) through economic pressure?
d) through military action?
e) all of the above?
tough question(s) I really need to think about more than I have already
26. Do you think gun ownership should be illegal unless under certain special circumstances? no
27. Do you believe everyone should have an ID card carrying all of your personal details? no
28. Do you believe euthanasia should be legalised? yes, absolutely
29. Do you believe the war in Afghanistan was the right thing to do? well tough one now...especially after many FACTS that have come to pass about 9/11...but if it indeed was Osama and thugs et al....yes
30. Do you believe the war in Iraq was the right thing to do? worst govt., political, military blunder since Hitler invaded Russia
31. Whose 'side' are you on - Israel, Palestine or neither? neither...complex question
32. Do you believe undemocratic dictatorships should be supported and endorsed if they are aligned with the government of your own nation? hard to comment on
33. Do you believe the war in Vietnam was the right thing to do? IDK...probably not
34. Do you believe the war in Korea was the right thing to do? IDK more questions than answers
35. Do you believe in engaging in guerrilla warfare if the army of your home nation has been defeated and your nation has been invaded? of course
36. Do you believe guerrilla warfare is the same thing as terrorism? no
37. Do you believe conventional armies are effective against guerrilla warfare? no
38. Do you believe in devolution or centralisation? undecided
39. Do you believe in the theory of evolution? yes
40. Do you agree with conscription? yes
1. Do you believe abortion should be legal? Yes
2. Do you approve of premarital sex? Up to individuals
3. Do you believe in the concept of a higher being (a 'god', if you will)? Hmm, yes
4. Do you follow one of the main mono-theistic faiths, do you follow another type of faith or are you an atheist or agnostic? Practicing polytheist
5. Do you believe in racial equality? Yes
6. Do you believe in equality of the sexes? Yes
7. Do you believe stay-at-home mums (moms) are what is best for children? IDK
8. Do you believe spanking your own children is acceptable? Yes
9. Do you believe in positive discrimination based on:
a) race? No
b) sex? No....hell...send women into combat is what I say
c) disability? discresion and good common sense
d) other? (Please state)
10. Do you believe in 'tax the rich to help the poor' social policy? absolutely
11. Do you believe in free medical care for all at the expense of the taxpayer? yes, and I already do in taxes
12. Do you believe in free education for all at the expense of the taxpayer (right through to university level)? yes and willing to pay for it in taxes
13. Do you believe the so-called 'war on terror' is being fought effectively? no
14. Do you believe using animals for the purposes of scientific/medical research is acceptable? yes
15. Do you believe using human embryos for the purposes of scientific/medical research is acceptable? absolutely
16. Do you prefer protectionism and isolationism to intervention and the expansion of your nation's interests abroad? too complex to say yea or nay
17. Do you believe the pre-emptive use of force in the name of 'defence' is generally acceptable? case by case senario
18. Do you think gay marriages should be legalised? I dont care I'm not gay
19. Do you believe in the death penalty? yes
20. Do you believe in imprisonment without charge or trial? no
21. Do you believe the use of torture is ever acceptable? no
22. Do you believe your nation should be doing all it can to exploit advantages abroad that will strengthen the economy of the nation, irrespective of the effects on the nation being 'exploited'? no
23. Do you believe it is acceptable to undermine the democratically elected governments of other countries?
not really
24. Do you believe 'global warming' is all just scaremongering? no
25. Do you believe in agitating towards regime change in other countries:
a) at all?
b) through political/diplomatic pressure?
c) through economic pressure?
d) through military action?
e) all of the above?
tough question(s) I really need to think about more than I have already
26. Do you think gun ownership should be illegal unless under certain special circumstances? no
27. Do you believe everyone should have an ID card carrying all of your personal details? no
28. Do you believe euthanasia should be legalised? yes, absolutely
29. Do you believe the war in Afghanistan was the right thing to do? well tough one now...especially after many FACTS that have come to pass about 9/11...but if it indeed was Osama and thugs et al....yes
30. Do you believe the war in Iraq was the right thing to do? worst govt., political, military blunder since Hitler invaded Russia
31. Whose 'side' are you on - Israel, Palestine or neither? neither...complex question
32. Do you believe undemocratic dictatorships should be supported and endorsed if they are aligned with the government of your own nation? hard to comment on
33. Do you believe the war in Vietnam was the right thing to do? IDK...probably not
34. Do you believe the war in Korea was the right thing to do? IDK more questions than answers
35. Do you believe in engaging in guerrilla warfare if the army of your home nation has been defeated and your nation has been invaded? of course
36. Do you believe guerrilla warfare is the same thing as terrorism? no
37. Do you believe conventional armies are effective against guerrilla warfare? no
38. Do you believe in devolution or centralisation? undecided
39. Do you believe in the theory of evolution? yes
40. Do you agree with conscription? yes
Oh man....here we go.....
Vub...well, IMO, sex is indeed better with someone you truly love. However, I'm not currently "in love" with anyone at the moment...and I still have this "urge to mate". I don't buy into the B.S. Christian archetype that is ridden with guilt if I pork someone out of wedlock...sex is not dirty as it is a natural biological function. Nor will I try to trick myself into love just to get laid...So that leaves me with masterbation (which really gets old fast), or find a woman who's in the same boat as me....and there is quite a few of them....so....Vub wrote:
There's an overwhelming percentage saying yes, not too surprising. But sex like everything else can become stale if had in excessive amounts. I feel having premarital sex will make it less pleasurable with your wife/husband later on; or will make you judge a person by their ability to satisfy your sexual desires in longer term relationships because your standards would obviously be higher. What do you guys think?
Screw morals....just try to stay ethical.
I think your trying to analyze it a little too much.
Lazzars...good question...the most simple answer I can give is that Iraquis have a resource that we want very badly...that is oil...now, many will say that this is a more complicated issue (because of geopolitical jockeying) but the root cause is indeed, oil...look at the genocide in Darfur, Sudan; and as atrocious as it may seem to the entire world...including the US....we, as Americans wont do anything about it other than using the UN quite simply because we dant really have anything we want in that great of quantity...that we can't get anywhere else...IMHO...and I'm an American.
Now maybe, you Euros dont know this but up until 2004 (it was enacted in the Clinton years), we had the Brady Bill, that outlawed the selling of assault-type weapons....and the bill limited the amt. of ammunition and size of clips and magazines and such....I have no opinion on this because even though I do bear arms personally...including 2 handguns, I have no need for and AR-15 or AK-47...nor do I need more than 10 rounds per mag for my 9mm handgun....I say moderation is the key here and some compromise...instead of constant extremism for both sides that has been going on for quite some time....well anywho, the Brady Bill was never extended. Crime with the weapons the Bill was intended for never saw increase or decline as a result of that Bill expiring...these are the facts and have no opinion on one way or the other cuz I down want or need assault rifles....once again moderation is the key...sry if that last passage was a bit incoherent.
I can understand your curiousness when it comes to Americas love with guns...this is a cultural difference...one that will be hard to bridge with you guys....I can explain away but maybe youll get it and maybe you wont...
It's like taking Guinness away from the Irish....or disbanding the English royal family...or outlawing the (my favorite) Scottish egg...it isn't going to happen...
So, the only thing we can do is compromise and find some middle moderate ground to move on.
Now maybe, you Euros dont know this but up until 2004 (it was enacted in the Clinton years), we had the Brady Bill, that outlawed the selling of assault-type weapons....and the bill limited the amt. of ammunition and size of clips and magazines and such....I have no opinion on this because even though I do bear arms personally...including 2 handguns, I have no need for and AR-15 or AK-47...nor do I need more than 10 rounds per mag for my 9mm handgun....I say moderation is the key here and some compromise...instead of constant extremism for both sides that has been going on for quite some time....well anywho, the Brady Bill was never extended. Crime with the weapons the Bill was intended for never saw increase or decline as a result of that Bill expiring...these are the facts and have no opinion on one way or the other cuz I down want or need assault rifles....once again moderation is the key...sry if that last passage was a bit incoherent.
I can understand your curiousness when it comes to Americas love with guns...this is a cultural difference...one that will be hard to bridge with you guys....I can explain away but maybe youll get it and maybe you wont...
It's like taking Guinness away from the Irish....or disbanding the English royal family...or outlawing the (my favorite) Scottish egg...it isn't going to happen...
So, the only thing we can do is compromise and find some middle moderate ground to move on.
Ahh Jinto....satire....
edit....didnt know you were editing...lol
edit....didnt know you were editing...lol
Why do you Euros care so much about Americans killing Americans anyway?....
Why would they be stat padding chasing you down and killing you at your expense?
No, chronicle...that wasnt a joke....most religions and societies has laws against such things...I am most definatly serious about that.
B.Schuss, Just for the record...and I am an American....Americans do not live in a Democracy...Americans live in a Republic that is guided by Democratic principles...Democracy is a verb....meaning it requires action...so to live in a true Democracy...everyone in that country who is of age and capable of voting needs to do that...and since only 20% of the elgible voters in America in the last presidential election voted....this is hardly grounds to say that America is a Democracy.
And you spell English quite well.
And you spell English quite well.
Well for me...I have a problem with the Eucharist....for one...I'm not a cannibal...and two...I'm not a vampire...