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That is all good news for me. I do not want to be stuck on some base in the CONUS. If I stick in the military some day I might change my AFSC but for now this is what I'm looking for.
And rightfully so. He didn't earn it. I understand though.Jay wrote:
My dad made the mistake of getting 'Paratrooper' tattooed on his arm before he'd finished jump school. The black hats rode him to the point of exhaustion each of the final three days. At his pinning ceremony they gave him blood wings and said that now he had earned the right to wear them.Commie Killer wrote:
Ok, correct, I don't have a place to talk. It was harmless jesting but I get it, you served, I didn't, and even in a jesting way its disrespectful for me to say something like "we".eleven bravo wrote:
what do you mean we? you havent even taken the asvab
Ok, correct, I don't have a place to talk. It was harmless jesting but I get it, you served, I didn't, and even in a jesting way its disrespectful for me to say something like "we".eleven bravo wrote:
what do you mean we? you havent even taken the asvabCommie Killer wrote:
Least we have some attractive women loleleven bravo wrote:
the air force is for attractive women and guys who like show tunes
Oh I did, and I'm glad I got them. Jay's responsbile for keeping me out of the army, he just didn't seem to get the idea that I wasn't gonna stay out period.hocSiciliano wrote:
In all fairness, you had to of expected these type views, you did ask for peoples input and opinions on the subject.Commie Killer wrote:
You don't like the military. I get that. I don't know if I do or don't. Would you stop fucking trying to change my mind on it.
You hit the nail on the head buddy. Have a cookie.Jay wrote:
His thread title is misleading, he didn't want advice, he wanted people to tell him he was doing the right thing because he lacks the confidence to make his own decisions. Maybe he really does need another four years of dad telling him what to do.hocSiciliano wrote:
funny you say that, a close friend of mine met his wife in the Air Force. haha.eleven bravo wrote:
the air force is for attractive women and guys who like show tunes
you wise son of a gun you...you are like a modern day yoda!In all fairness, you had to of expected these type views, you did ask for peoples input and opinions on the subject.Commie Killer wrote:
You don't like the military. I get that. I don't know if I do or don't. Would you stop fucking trying to change my mind on it.
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You don't like the military. I get that. I don't know if I do or don't. Would you stop fucking trying to change my mind on it.
I'll do my best, I'd like to see the PacificSEREMAKER wrote:
If you can pull some strings .... make sure to go over to Kadena, that is one nice base
Least we have some attractive women loleleven bravo wrote:
the air force is for attractive women and guys who like show tunes
What can I say I'm a genius...Jay wrote:
You've got it all figured out.Commie Killer wrote:
You we're also in a supply (can't remember) outfit. Not usually one of the better equipped. I feel pretty confident that TACP's will be a lot better prepare than that. Anyways, I'm Air Force. Depending on who my commanding officer is I might just get stuck in base for my whole deployment (which considering I probably won't be ready for deployment until early 2013 means I probably won't see combat anyways, and if anything, I'll get one tour outta Afghan.).
You we're also in a supply (can't remember) outfit. Not usually one of the better equipped. I feel pretty confident that TACP's will be a lot better prepare than that. Anyways, I'm Air Force. Depending on who my commanding officer is I might just get stuck in base for my whole deployment (which considering I probably won't be ready for deployment until early 2013 means I probably won't see combat anyways, and if anything, I'll get one tour outta Afghan.).
I'm half assing everything, wanna give this my all. Plus I've heard enough horror stories about poorly outfitted National Guard outfits.Jay wrote:
Then how about you choose the reserves? If you like it, request active duty, if you don't you only have to serve one weekend a month, two weeks a year, plus deployments.Commie Killer wrote:
Did they find OBL in it?eleven bravo wrote:
I was in the army, my vagina is big and hairy and tough.If I don't do, its gonna be something I regret, even if I don't like it, its not like I'm doing so hot at the moment.Jay wrote:
Well, hopefully you like it more than I did. I genuinely feel like I wasted 4 1/2 years of my life.
Did they find OBL in it?eleven bravo wrote:
I was in the army, my vagina is big and hairy and tough.
If I don't do, its gonna be something I regret, even if I don't like it, its not like I'm doing so hot at the moment.Jay wrote:
Well, hopefully you like it more than I did. I genuinely feel like I wasted 4 1/2 years of my life.Commie Killer wrote:
I did good enough on the SAT to get into Penn States engineering program with a highschool GPA of like 2.5\Jay wrote:
If you did ok on the SAT you'll do well on the ASVAB.
Not worried about the ASVAB really. My main concern is keeping my shit together. Want to make sure I bust my ass enough before basic, and then make sure I keep my head in TACP training.
I'd hate to have a yeasty one like you.
I did good enough on the SAT to get into Penn States engineering program with a highschool GPA of like 2.5\Jay wrote:
If you did ok on the SAT you'll do well on the ASVAB.Commie Killer wrote:
Ok thank you. Hopefully they let me take the ASVAB soon. Soon as I can talk without sounding drunk I'm walking in there.
Not worried about the ASVAB really. My main concern is keeping my shit together. Want to make sure I bust my ass enough before basic, and then make sure I keep my head in TACP training.
Ok thank you. Hopefully they let me take the ASVAB soon. Soon as I can talk without sounding drunk I'm walking in there.
Any recomendations on whats the best way to talk to recruiters? Just walk in, find the Air Force guy, and tell him I want to be a TACP?
Never made it that far. None the less, I believe it would have been better if what you were learning was tied in with your degree earlier on. Though that would definitely be difficult for the schools to handle.
rdx-fx, number two is the worry. Number one at worst case will bring about number two.
Regarding weights... I'm 5'8 and 146lbs. The highest I've ever been. Last summer, I was 118lbs at the lowest. My metabolism has finally slowed down to the point that I can keep muscle on me, gotta eat like 3500 calories a day to do it though.
Regarding weights... I'm 5'8 and 146lbs. The highest I've ever been. Last summer, I was 118lbs at the lowest. My metabolism has finally slowed down to the point that I can keep muscle on me, gotta eat like 3500 calories a day to do it though.
My main worry is getting into my head. I know I'm physically capable if I put the effort in, I know I'm mentally capable to do the job. I'm just worried that I'm gonna start doubting myself again, talk myself out of it, be a quitter. That is the big thing for me.
I rape exercise bikes. Used to mountain bike competitively. For some reason the leg and cardio stuff never carried over into running, but bikes are no problem at all.Jay wrote:
Have fun with the exercise bike pt tests.
I was hearing TACP's talk about 10 for entering, but yeah, I'm gonna go lower.
Graduation requires 1.5 in 11:08. Still aiming for below 10.
Graduation requires 1.5 in 11:08. Still aiming for below 10.
I like to think being taught the "why" would've completely changed my attitude towards school, but maybe I'm just being a bitch.Spark wrote:
this.Jay wrote:
I kind of both agree and disagree. I was always a very good test taker so there's a big part of me that says suck it up, not everyone is cut out for college. But, the other part of me really hates the way material is taught in grade school. Forcing memorization does no one any good. Teach kids the why and then show them the how. Memorizing formulas or obscure word definitions is so far removed from reality, at college, and even moreso in the real world, that it probably does more harm than good. Teach kids the 'why' and they will self motivate.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
interesting, related article:
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Might be able to see some cooch there.
Right now its TACP, possibly down the road I might then try to move onto CCT or possibly PJ (at this moment honestly TACP is what interests me a hell of a lot). I'm going into it with everything. Going to start training, talk to a recruiter this week as I'm recovering from getting the teeth pulled.
In reasonable physical shape except for cardio. Haven't run a mile in 5 years. Not overweight at all though so once I build up the lungs I should be alright. TACP requires 11:41 for 1.5 miles, I'm aiming for 10 for 1.5. Few months to do it in, giving it my all. Got nothing else to do and this honestly should be enjoying. Off to buy running shoes. Aiming to go to basic early spring.
Thank you to RAMIUS and FEOS, both of you provided a lot of help there. Security Forces went out last night as I was researching more. No way in hell. Any other recommendations in case god forbid I don't back to through TACP training? I'm looking for a similar field which will give me the opportunity to try TACP training again down the line.
In reasonable physical shape except for cardio. Haven't run a mile in 5 years. Not overweight at all though so once I build up the lungs I should be alright. TACP requires 11:41 for 1.5 miles, I'm aiming for 10 for 1.5. Few months to do it in, giving it my all. Got nothing else to do and this honestly should be enjoying. Off to buy running shoes. Aiming to go to basic early spring.
Thank you to RAMIUS and FEOS, both of you provided a lot of help there. Security Forces went out last night as I was researching more. No way in hell. Any other recommendations in case god forbid I don't back to through TACP training? I'm looking for a similar field which will give me the opportunity to try TACP training again down the line.
I'm 20, not 35. I don't have a management team, 7 crews, a office, a couple shops, etc. I'd still say I do the best damn job of anyone under 28 around here, and there is only two other companies that exceed my quality (any they are both charging a extra 35% on top of me).Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm not intending to piss on you but I doubt your idea of 'quality' aligns with what most quality management systems really entail.Commie-Killer wrote:
There are quality operations out there but they are hard to find.
They involve mindless tedium but are usually thorough and if dealt with properly deliver a 'quality' service/product every time.
They're why designing a drainage system takes 3 months, why a 'quality' landscaping contractor has an office, mgmt staff, overheads and so on.
That said, I'm not FEOS, and I'm not debating this shit with you.
I like engineering, I enjoy designing and building things as well, I've done it as a kid, and I just don't know if I would enjoy working at an engineering firm.rdx-fx wrote:
Reading through the OP.
To do well in the military requires discipline.
Same thing you need for college.
The vast majority of people don't get their "calling" in life, there's no 1000 angels trumpeting "This is your path! This degree is YOU! This profession is your calling!". I like engineering - I've been designing things since I could draw. And I hated college courses in engineering. Mostly failed professional engineers that retreated to teaching, because they couldn't handle the professional world.
A bachelors degree is just a ticket to punch. Just a thing you have to do to learn to speak the lingo of a profession. After you graduate, your first professional employer will teach you what you need to know, building on the basics you learned in college. 4 year degree doesn't mean you know a damn thing (look at how vapid and hollow your coursework is), it just means your first professional employer can teach you without having to explain every little basic detail.
If you're just tossing about, then 3 or 4 years of military might be just the thing to get you to focus on what's important to you.
Just don't get blown up, mangled, head-scrambled, dead, or crippled.
I'll probably join, and I'll try not to get myself killed.
According to this: http://www.afsoc.af.mil/specialtactics/tacp/index.asp
I need to have normal color vision and depth perception, which I do. I do not however, have good distance vision. I wear contacts. Now I'd assume that the air force would at first provide me with glasses, and I know for combat duty they then put you on a list for surgery. The question is does anyone know if the need to wear glasses would disqualify me for this position?
I need to have normal color vision and depth perception, which I do. I do not however, have good distance vision. I wear contacts. Now I'd assume that the air force would at first provide me with glasses, and I know for combat duty they then put you on a list for surgery. The question is does anyone know if the need to wear glasses would disqualify me for this position?
I've already figured that much out. I would've joined years ago if I wasn't busy trying to make my family happy. Career path probably not, more of a 4 or 8 year stint, but who knows. It is something I continue to seriously consider.
I'm not really looking for stories from vets though, I'm pretty sure no one here has been in those fields. Just any info in general.
I'm not really looking for stories from vets though, I'm pretty sure no one here has been in those fields. Just any info in general.
Yeah I go into it knowing that. I feel like I have a pretty good idea of just how fucked up the military is, its just what I can make of it. If its going to do more harm than good (which at the moment I feel it'll do more good).Pure_Beef_68 wrote:
This was posted on a previous thread. This is what you could face in the military: http://www.michaelyon-online.com/
I guess I gave Dilbert the wrong impression. To clear up a little bit, I did not have my equipment insured (stupid), but I only lost a portion of it. 1 60in ride on ZTR, 1 48in walkbehind, walk behind blower, 21in mower, 8 or so trimmers and blowers, and the trailer. I still have another 30k of carpentry equipment and 15 or so of landscaping stuff at home. Thats probably the only thing thats keeping me sitting here. Lot of money to walk away from. Working on getting someone to buy it or family storage.
I made money by doing the highest quality work, but I agree to an extent. Generally every dumb fuck with a truck tries to become a landscaper and it gives a really bad impression on most people. There are quality operations out there but they are hard to find.
Onto other stuff. Air Force actually sounds like a reasonable idea and I'm going to pursue it for a little bit, see where it takes me, and maybe join. Went through a bunch of different careers and was hoping I might be able to find someone who can give a little bit of feedback on them.
Here is what I'm looking at, in order of what interests me the most, keep in mind this is all enlisted:
1.) Tactical Air Control Party Specialist: Imbeded with ground units, tougher training, depending the route you go I assume you can operate with regular grunts or Special Forces
The course is 26 college credits and you end up graduating with a Information Systems Technology degree (I have no clue if these degrees apply to civilian life
2.) Missile and Space Facilities Maintenance: ICBM silos, CONUS based, Northern Planes (big thing for me), jack of all trades in the silos, high security clearance (difficult to get?)
Degree is Mechanical and Electrical Technology, 31 credits
3.) Combat Controller: Pretty much same as above, more special forces related, so tougher training, hopefully higher quality individuals.
Degree is Airway Science, unknown credits
4.) Base Security Specialist: pretty obvious, I could be some prick of a MP, Criminal Justice, 17 credits
5.) Airborne Battle Management: Flight pay, possibly pretty interesting, credits vary, Air and Space Operations Technology
6.) Aerospace Control and Warning Systems: Radar Operator, can be strategic (think NORAD) or tactical, 9 credits, Air and Space Operations Technology.
7.) Three different MOS's (they still use that term right?) that deal with base construction and/or engineering. Very likely won't go this route but considering opening a heavy equipment earth moving business later in life. Only reason this stuff is here.
As of now its either 1 or 2, the combination of interest in it and the degrees seem to make them the best choices. Really need to talk to a recruiter, figure out whats in demand, whats the pay (not a big deal for me but is a concern), benefits, future demand, job security, etc, etc, etc.
Any 1st or second hand experience with any of those MOS's would be greatly appreciated, along with any advice when talking to a recruiter.
I made money by doing the highest quality work, but I agree to an extent. Generally every dumb fuck with a truck tries to become a landscaper and it gives a really bad impression on most people. There are quality operations out there but they are hard to find.
Onto other stuff. Air Force actually sounds like a reasonable idea and I'm going to pursue it for a little bit, see where it takes me, and maybe join. Went through a bunch of different careers and was hoping I might be able to find someone who can give a little bit of feedback on them.
Here is what I'm looking at, in order of what interests me the most, keep in mind this is all enlisted:
1.) Tactical Air Control Party Specialist: Imbeded with ground units, tougher training, depending the route you go I assume you can operate with regular grunts or Special Forces
The course is 26 college credits and you end up graduating with a Information Systems Technology degree (I have no clue if these degrees apply to civilian life
2.) Missile and Space Facilities Maintenance: ICBM silos, CONUS based, Northern Planes (big thing for me), jack of all trades in the silos, high security clearance (difficult to get?)
Degree is Mechanical and Electrical Technology, 31 credits
3.) Combat Controller: Pretty much same as above, more special forces related, so tougher training, hopefully higher quality individuals.
Degree is Airway Science, unknown credits
4.) Base Security Specialist: pretty obvious, I could be some prick of a MP, Criminal Justice, 17 credits
5.) Airborne Battle Management: Flight pay, possibly pretty interesting, credits vary, Air and Space Operations Technology
6.) Aerospace Control and Warning Systems: Radar Operator, can be strategic (think NORAD) or tactical, 9 credits, Air and Space Operations Technology.
7.) Three different MOS's (they still use that term right?) that deal with base construction and/or engineering. Very likely won't go this route but considering opening a heavy equipment earth moving business later in life. Only reason this stuff is here.
As of now its either 1 or 2, the combination of interest in it and the degrees seem to make them the best choices. Really need to talk to a recruiter, figure out whats in demand, whats the pay (not a big deal for me but is a concern), benefits, future demand, job security, etc, etc, etc.
Any 1st or second hand experience with any of those MOS's would be greatly appreciated, along with any advice when talking to a recruiter.
I wasn't just skipping a single class. I would skip a full day of classes, skip a week, w/e. My last girlfriend dumped me because apparently my eyes say "I want to kill you" to everyone, and she couldn't deal with the endless cynicism. Too name a couple. Anyways I hate people.Jay wrote:
You probably just need to overload yourself with classes so you can't say 'ahh, I just have one class today, fuck it I'm not going'. A schedule with huge gaps does the same thing. The biggest thing that will keep you going to class is really the simplest thing of all though: make friends with your classmates.
There is no way I'm going to get anywhere in college without a destination that I want.
Yeah I really am turning into a whiny bitch huh?Jay wrote:
btw, is this hurricanes new troll account or what?
No offense hurricat
Its not really a setback for me. Its something I can deal with, I'm not sure its something I want to do anymore. I'm using this as an opportunity to change my lifes direction.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Skimmed through most of the OP. I'd recommend moving somewhere else (maybe to a place you want to visit) and start up a new business. Or just start up another business where you are now. Plenty of successful businessmen have had worse setbacks than that.
If you still want to join the military, there's no harm in simply walking into recruitment and finding out what your prospects are. Sometimes you can bump up your initial rank depending on what you've done in the past. But you don't need "tough love." You need a job.
Will walk into a recruitment center for the hell of it next week. I agree. Military is probably wrong. I need a job I enjoy, thats one of the only things I want out of life. I hate the rest of life, I just want to be able to work 40-60hours a week at something I enjoy.
I spent a week working at a civil engineering firm between my junior and senior year. More just watching then working. Wasn't that stupid make copy shit, I was just an observer. Thats when I realized it wasn't for me. Met a guy there who spent 3 months designing the drainage for the construction site of a elementary school.Uzique wrote:
^ most people my age (18-25) feel that way, i think. all clueless, all having to take on lots of debt and training and qualification to supposedly 'get anywhere' in this modern world... but for now, that world is gone bust, and it's all a bit tits-up, so to speak. normally you'd go to college to try and find something you're passionate about in life, and then find a job from there and figure it out through your 20's (it's not unusual at all to feel confusedor lost at 20, i mean come on!). but now more often than not it's that you have to take one degree, then the other, then some professional qualification.... heavily specialising yourself in order to get anywhere. then the promise of a decent job and a way in life to 'figure shit out' is still a fine miracle. after i graduated i wasn't really sure what to do with myself - that supposed moment of miracle illumination had not come during my three years of undergrad - so i threw myself into a full-time office job over the summer and it acted like dilb's above point: "take a really shitty job until you can't take anymore". whilst my job was far from cleaning out sewers in london it gave me enough perspective to realise that standard entry-level graduate office monkey work was just not for me - i'd either be constantly restless and socially frustrated or i'd put a gun in my mouth. now i'm attacking the next stage of my life (postgraduate study) with a renewed interest and motivation. call it 'negative' motivation, if you will: if you don't know what to do with your life, find something you sure as fuck know you don't want to do and then do everything in your power to avoid it.
I can't stand inefficiency like that. I could never work in that environment. I need to be around stuff being accomplished, I want to feel like I actually did something with my life. Thats why I went the route of owning my own business.
Right now, I'm about 99.5% sure the only thing I sure as fuck don't want to do is work in an office, work for an inefficient operation, or work under a moron. I realize that the military covers the last two.
I do take Jay's story with a grain of salt. He is two far "above" the military. He's just a different person but a lot of his experiences would apply to me. I'm pretty positive I'd be miserable there. My only hope would be that I'd be LESS miserable than outside of it, and I might come out of it with something positive.FEOS wrote:
First: take Jay's story with a grain of salt. That's one, bitter, person's perspective--who admits they shouldn't have been there to begin with, and thought they were better than everyone else around them from the start. Not the best way to enter a situation. There are literally millions of stories to contradict his. Personally, I know dozens of enlisted troops who are excellent leaders, who are highly sought after by civilian companies, but choose to stay for personal reasons. The dirtbags are the exception, not the rule. But then again, I'm not in the Army.
You won't get into OCS without a degree. So unless you plan on going to college while enlisted, it's not going to happen.
You seem to have a penchant for business. Maybe those early courses didn't hold your attention because it was stuff you already knew? Well, duh. They were intro classes. You have to stick with a program to get something out of it. Seems like maybe that's your issue: you don't have a lot of "stick to it" in you right now. The military would certainly fix that.
I am missing the "stick to it if I don't enjoy it" discipline. Though I'm pretty sure that's just laziness. I enjoy working hard, I just want to work for something I enjoy.
One of my major worries. I do have problems with a couple joints and I'm sure as hell that my weird left knee would probably be fucked up by the time I got out.1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
I'm planning on getting out. My body is already starting to hate me, especially my back. It would hurt sometimes from football, almost two years of being in the infantry hasn't helped.
I didn't expect them too. I expected to clear minefields and set up bridges. Getting my ass blown away is not really a concern at this moment in time, I'm not really living for much.Jay wrote:
Military engineers are not like civilian engineers. Military engineers are the guys out in front of the infantry clearing minefields and setting up bridges. They don't build buildings, that's what civilian contractors are for.
What else? How about this: smart people do not stay in the military. Even moderately intelligent people do not stay in the military. The people that re-enlist are the people that have nothing else going on in their life: they married and had kids too young, or they're from bumfuck nowhere and have nothing else going on, or they're too dumb to hold down a civilian job. Regardless, these are the people that become sergeants. The military generally starts off with the scraps of society, and it's these scraps of scraps that become the leaders you'd have to deal with every day. Do you know how disheartening it is to have to listen to complete morons tell you what to do every day? There's a reason the phrase 'respect the rank, not the person' is repeated like a mantra on a daily basis.
Here's a story for you. My first sergeant was cheating on his wife with one of the females in the office, and he didn't want to go home. Ever. This asshole would keep us in formation until 6:55 pm every night just because. The only reason he didn't keep us longer was because the dining facility closed at 7 pm and he'd get in trouble if we missed dinner. I dealt with that shit for two fucking years. One miserable power tripping asshole fucking up the lives of the hundred soldiers he was supposed to be leading. This wasn't considered abnormal.
If you want to sign up, go ahead. It's your life. If I can prevent one person from making the same dumb mistake I made, I'll have done my job.
I disagree. Usually the smart people end up in Special Forces or some specialized field, but there are probably a few smart people who stuck it out in the infantry.
I'd probably have snapped and killed the guy, knowing the consequences. I can't deal with things like that. Stupidity, blatant selfishness, laziness (I realize the irony), inefficiency.
In all honesty. If I joined, I'd do it around March. That is the time by which I will have to spend money on my business or leave it. That is just before my next semester of classes ends. I have until then to make a decision.
I tend to consider suicide every 10 months to a year. Seems to be a pattern. I usually last no longer than a couple minutes to a few hours until I snap out of it and say to myself "fuck everyone who says I can't do it, fuck the people in my way, fuck myself, fuck everything, I'm not letting it bring me down." Problem is I seem to be falling a little further each time and climbing a little less. I'd never actually go through with it, I'm too much of a pussy, but I'm honestly tired of this, I want a change, I want to move on, I need an escape, I need to start over, I just don't know how.
I've been throwing ideas around in my head for a year now. Nothing's peaked my interest. Probably just haven't found it yet. I am motivated, I just have a lack of direction. I enjoy working, I enjoy a struggle. I gave up on gen-eds when I felt I wasn't working towards anything. If I had a goal that I actually wanted, not one that someone else wanted for me, I feel I'd probably do pretty good, just haven't found it yet.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
why don't you change your academic focus and pursue something in college that interests you? Just bang out gen. ed requirements then pick a field of study. If you were working and going to school you're obviously somewhat motivated.
Yeah but what else. It still seems like the best choice. I could waste more money flunking outta college. I could dump money into a business that I really don't want to be a part of. I can do more than a technical school (and in all honesty I'd be talking to the same people I would in the ranks).
I could go for a more demanding MOS. Gung-ho idiots in the rangers, or possibly intelligent people in the engineers.
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I gotta go to sleep. Diner at 6. Dishwasher... I can't just sit around and do nothing so I do this...
I could go for a more demanding MOS. Gung-ho idiots in the rangers, or possibly intelligent people in the engineers.
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I gotta go to sleep. Diner at 6. Dishwasher... I can't just sit around and do nothing so I do this...
Yeah I have a uncle that does it. He'd probably be pretty successful but he sucks with money. Landscaping and carpentry are both things I don't want to do for my life. I enjoy them, and I'd like to do them at my house, but that's the extent of it.Dilbert_X wrote:
I did a fair bit of construction, its fun while you're young, but you don't want to be doing it for decades.Commie Killer wrote:
Generally the same reason as everything else. Lazy. Tired of dealing with pricks who want stuff done for less than expenses, etc. I was doing a lot of that stuff. We finished 7 basements off the past 2 years (one crazy bastard had us put in a ice rink, climate controlled, real ice, the works). Few decks, redid a kitchen, couple baths.
Its dangerous, one simple injury and you have to find a new career - better to find it while you're young.
OK thank you. That helps. I feel I'd probably be the same way but I hoped I'd get lucky, find someone in the same boat, or get thrown into enough combat that I would be able to avoid dealing with that shit. I'm over-educated and aggressive as hell, I don't feel like I belong in the ranks either but its one of those things. I stayed away from ROTC because of the college requirements. I considered joining up as enlisted and trying to get into OCS as soon as possible.Jay wrote:
I had a lot of the same feelings before I joined, and I gotta tell you, from the first minute I arrived at basic training I knew I'd made the biggest mistake of my life. I didn't belong. I was over-educated and over-motivated to ever function properly as enlisted. I was miserable, and for much of my four years, I spent my time holed up in my barracks room playing video games and pretty much hating life 24/7. Unless you feel like you can carry on conversation with ex-junkies, ex-drug dealers, high school dropouts, and the ghettofabulous, you're going to be just as miserable.
If you want to join the military, and you are from the background you say you are, join a ROTC program. You get some of the discipline with none of the commitment.
Generally the same reason as everything else. Lazy. Tired of dealing with pricks who want stuff done for less than expenses, etc. I was doing a lot of that stuff. We finished 7 basements off the past 2 years (one crazy bastard had us put in a ice rink, climate controlled, real ice, the works). Few decks, redid a kitchen, couple baths.Canin wrote:
I don't have an office job either, I fix equipment used in grocery stores, restaurants, etc. Hands on stuff, and I dabble in PCs on the side.Commie Killer wrote:
I realize that if I want to work in a office, I need a degree. I could go to school like Jay, but honestly, I don't want that life. I'm pretty sure I don't want to work in a office.Canin wrote:
Get a degree in golf course maintenence from the local trade/tech college, go to work at a country club, play golf when you want and get to be hands on. Just my 2 cents.
Not saying you shouldn't join the military, I tried to, but couldnt pass the physical due to eye sight. I did not get a degree from college, which unfortunatly is holding me back from advancing within the company I work for right now because a piece of paper is more important to them than experience, but I digress. I make good enough money for my wife to stay at home and take care of our 4 kids, and pay a bunch of credit bills from when we were young and stupid.
Guess what I am saying is, do what you feel called to do. If it isn't going to college for a piece of paper, then learn a trade or better the trade you have.
I have the physical skills for the military, but yeah, my eye sight is not good. I'm gonna be wearing glasses.
I have skills. I can form a basement, frame a house, weather proof, brick and motar, wire, plumb, finish, build cabinets. I'm damn good at it. Its something I enjoy doing part time, not full time. Its probably the only hobby I have, and luckily it pays.
If you have the ability and skills to do all those things you listed, why not get a contractors license and make good money doing something you enjoy?
Yeah the general idea was to force myself to realize how life sucks without a degree and therefore do something.Dilbert_X wrote:
Join military
Get discipline/motivation to not be in military
Go to college
Profit
20 is plenty young enough.
I realize that if I want to work in a office, I need a degree. I could go to school like Jay, but honestly, I don't want that life. I'm pretty sure I don't want to work in a office.Canin wrote:
Get a degree in golf course maintenence from the local trade/tech college, go to work at a country club, play golf when you want and get to be hands on. Just my 2 cents.
Not saying you shouldn't join the military, I tried to, but couldnt pass the physical due to eye sight. I did not get a degree from college, which unfortunatly is holding me back from advancing within the company I work for right now because a piece of paper is more important to them than experience, but I digress. I make good enough money for my wife to stay at home and take care of our 4 kids, and pay a bunch of credit bills from when we were young and stupid.
Guess what I am saying is, do what you feel called to do. If it isn't going to college for a piece of paper, then learn a trade or better the trade you have.
I have the physical skills for the military, but yeah, my eye sight is not good. I'm gonna be wearing glasses.
I have skills. I can form a basement, frame a house, weather proof, brick and motar, wire, plumb, finish, build cabinets. I'm damn good at it. Its something I enjoy doing part time, not full time. Its probably the only hobby I have, and luckily it pays.
Ok. Reasonable. I just have no other goals. Its not like I look at this as a career path. Go to fucking school? Sure I could go get into somewhere else but I'm just gonna flunk my lazy ass out. Change business? Into what? The only reason I do what I do is I enjoy it.Jay wrote:
So change businesses? Who in their right mind wants to run a landscaping business for the rest of their life?Commie Killer wrote:
Ironically, I actually am joining for patriotism. Not one of those jackasses that thinks America is #1 or something, but I do love my country. I wouldn't mind the chance to blow shit up for 4 years, forced social interaction. Not having to make any decisions? Hiding from life for the moment? I don't feel like I'm gonna make many responsible decisions right now, especially regarding my life.
Yeah all sound like reasons I'm joining.
Swift kick in the ass? Hasn't worked yet.
In my business you really can't make more than 15% profit and still get jobs. Just a over saturated market.
Yes, joining the military is running away from life. You'll have sergeants telling you what to eat, when to eat, where to sleep, when to sleep, when you can get off work, how far away from base you can go. Your life will be micromanaged down to the second for you. If this appeals to you then your mom breastfed you for too fucking long. Get off the fucking tit.
Herp derp I wanna blow shit up. Yeah, ok. So you want to join the military so you can spend 364 days a year not blowing shit up. You live in Pennsylvania, go buy some M-80s and blow up some mailboxes.
If you want forced social interaction, go away to school. Get out of your parents basement.
I don't enjoy being told what to do, in fact I hate it, I'm a spiteful S.O.B.
Look my only goal is to use this as a hold over. I don't want to be that jack ass thats still riding a mower around at 60, and I don't have the skills to build a business where that isn't necessary. I don't want to waste more fucking money at school.
Blowing shit up was another sarcastic comment. I'm sorry, it doesn't translate. Why join, besides for my pathetic running away from life reasons? The feeling that I might actually be doing something, working towards something, fighting for something. A part of something bigger than my lame ass life. I've been down hill for a couple years now. Figure I need something, college isn't working.
Ironically, I actually am joining for patriotism. Not one of those jackasses that thinks America is #1 or something, but I do love my country. I wouldn't mind the chance to blow shit up for 4 years, forced social interaction. Not having to make any decisions? Hiding from life for the moment? I don't feel like I'm gonna make many responsible decisions right now, especially regarding my life.Jay wrote:
Military would be a complete waste of time unless your goal is to be coddled and have all of your decisions made for you for the next four years. You don't need money for college. You don't need a way out of the ghetto. You sure as shit aren't joining for patriotism, so the only thing left is hiding from life. You need a swift kick in the ass, not a four year contract.
Yeah all sound like reasons I'm joining.
Swift kick in the ass? Hasn't worked yet.
In my business you really can't make more than 15% profit and still get jobs. Just a over saturated market.
According to a recent Gallup poll, the majority of Americans consider my family as being "rich".Uzique wrote:
what's upper middle class about your background? does it have a very wide definition in the states, or something? or are you just talking yourself up for no reason?
In general though I was just being sarcastic. We're middle class.
If you're not interesting in hearing me moan about my upper-middle-class upbringing, skip to the bottom. I included it for background. Re-reading this I realized I used this as my soap box...
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but I need to start somewhere. I just turned 20. I've been running a carpentry/lawn service/landscaping business for the past 2 1/4ish years. Been alright. Made like 2 grand after expenses the first year. Made about 45 after expenses last year (not including what I should spend to expand). Had 2 El Salvadorians working for me this season. We we're doing good, finishing up all the projects, had all but 3 of my fall clean ups done and my truck and trailer got fucked up. Broad sided by a dump truck. 30k of uninsured equipment and trailer, got some money for the truck. I told my guys we were done for the season. Gave my last 3 clean ups to a guy a know, and that has been that.
I'm at a crossroads in my life right now, and I have no fucking clue where I want to go. I have a car, 2008 Toyota Matrix, low miles, which I use for my daily driver. I did not purchase a replacement truck as of yet. I have a little chunk of cash saved, and no bills besides car insurance and monthly credit card (I do not carry a balance). I have a 6 figure account that my grandfather saved so I could go to college (this account I have no access too, all college bills go through my mother and she ain't letting me have any control of this account). I have been in college for two years. 1 full semester at Penn State, one 9 credit semester at Penn State's local campus, and one 6 credit semester at community college.
I started off pursuing a Civil Engineering degree. I'm more of a hands on guy but my parents wanted me to get a good degree so I attempted to make them happy. Made it about 3/4 of the semester until I couldn't stand it anymore and stopped going to class except for tests. At the local campus it was the same story. Community college has been business classes that I hoped would impart me with some knowledge... its been pretty much useless.
I'm starting another 6 credit semester at the community college in January. Pretty sure my parents would disown me if I didn't. I'm not living my life the way I want to, I'm not happy, I have no plan, ya-da-fucking-ya-da. College isn't my thing. I know its the smart, sensible thing to do, but I will do nothing but waste more of my savings and my time.
I live on the east coast, one of the things I'd really like to do soon is spend a while driving around the Rockies, the south-western desert, and the northern plain, see the national parks, etc. I've wanted to join the military since I was a kid, just felt like it was part of growing up, but I haven't on account of my family. I've decided in the past couple months that I'm tired of trying to make everyone happy, cause I can't, and the end result is I end up just being unhappy myself. Since I made that decision I've kind of been at a loss as to what to do.
I've considered trying the whole drive around the west thing right now, but replacing aimless wondering in life with aimless wondering around the west seemed like a bad idea, plus I'm under the drinking age so doing it sober would suck. I've considered going back to college, but I know that I'm just gonna flunk myself out. I've considered dumping 40k into the business and starting over, but I'm honestly tired of dealing with rich shit heads that expect me to work for less than expenses. That is why I'm stuck on the military.
If I go, I'd go infantry of engineers. During high school my plan was to join up after graduation, had been training, reading up, etc. Went to college to make my parents happy, but I skipped on the military for a even stupider reason. I'm near sighted to the point that I'd need glasses, I wear contacts, but the military would require glasses. Not something I'm too concerned about any more...
The reason I'm here is I have no clue where to start anymore. I'm hesitant to walk into a recruitment center. Not really sure where to start looking. I never took the ASVAB (skipped school day of). I have a clear criminal record. I'm not in the army to learn a skill or anything. I'm hoping to maybe get my ass kicked enough to be a little more disciplined and maybe have some direction by the time I get out.
So any help would be awesome.
I'm probably gonna walk into a recruitment office next week. Wisdom teeth out on monday so as soon as I can drive.
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but I need to start somewhere. I just turned 20. I've been running a carpentry/lawn service/landscaping business for the past 2 1/4ish years. Been alright. Made like 2 grand after expenses the first year. Made about 45 after expenses last year (not including what I should spend to expand). Had 2 El Salvadorians working for me this season. We we're doing good, finishing up all the projects, had all but 3 of my fall clean ups done and my truck and trailer got fucked up. Broad sided by a dump truck. 30k of uninsured equipment and trailer, got some money for the truck. I told my guys we were done for the season. Gave my last 3 clean ups to a guy a know, and that has been that.
I'm at a crossroads in my life right now, and I have no fucking clue where I want to go. I have a car, 2008 Toyota Matrix, low miles, which I use for my daily driver. I did not purchase a replacement truck as of yet. I have a little chunk of cash saved, and no bills besides car insurance and monthly credit card (I do not carry a balance). I have a 6 figure account that my grandfather saved so I could go to college (this account I have no access too, all college bills go through my mother and she ain't letting me have any control of this account). I have been in college for two years. 1 full semester at Penn State, one 9 credit semester at Penn State's local campus, and one 6 credit semester at community college.
I started off pursuing a Civil Engineering degree. I'm more of a hands on guy but my parents wanted me to get a good degree so I attempted to make them happy. Made it about 3/4 of the semester until I couldn't stand it anymore and stopped going to class except for tests. At the local campus it was the same story. Community college has been business classes that I hoped would impart me with some knowledge... its been pretty much useless.
I'm starting another 6 credit semester at the community college in January. Pretty sure my parents would disown me if I didn't. I'm not living my life the way I want to, I'm not happy, I have no plan, ya-da-fucking-ya-da. College isn't my thing. I know its the smart, sensible thing to do, but I will do nothing but waste more of my savings and my time.
I live on the east coast, one of the things I'd really like to do soon is spend a while driving around the Rockies, the south-western desert, and the northern plain, see the national parks, etc. I've wanted to join the military since I was a kid, just felt like it was part of growing up, but I haven't on account of my family. I've decided in the past couple months that I'm tired of trying to make everyone happy, cause I can't, and the end result is I end up just being unhappy myself. Since I made that decision I've kind of been at a loss as to what to do.
I've considered trying the whole drive around the west thing right now, but replacing aimless wondering in life with aimless wondering around the west seemed like a bad idea, plus I'm under the drinking age so doing it sober would suck. I've considered going back to college, but I know that I'm just gonna flunk myself out. I've considered dumping 40k into the business and starting over, but I'm honestly tired of dealing with rich shit heads that expect me to work for less than expenses. That is why I'm stuck on the military.
If I go, I'd go infantry of engineers. During high school my plan was to join up after graduation, had been training, reading up, etc. Went to college to make my parents happy, but I skipped on the military for a even stupider reason. I'm near sighted to the point that I'd need glasses, I wear contacts, but the military would require glasses. Not something I'm too concerned about any more...
The reason I'm here is I have no clue where to start anymore. I'm hesitant to walk into a recruitment center. Not really sure where to start looking. I never took the ASVAB (skipped school day of). I have a clear criminal record. I'm not in the army to learn a skill or anything. I'm hoping to maybe get my ass kicked enough to be a little more disciplined and maybe have some direction by the time I get out.
So any help would be awesome.
I'm probably gonna walk into a recruitment office next week. Wisdom teeth out on monday so as soon as I can drive.
It feels like 2006 and 7 again. I'm called stupid and bad at the game for voicing opinions. Yay.
Still doesn't change the fact that one of the major reasons MW manages to sell so much is they manage to release a game without major bugs or balance issues. Who gives a shit if your repacking a game as long as it plays well. That said. Flying feels like shit in this game. 400knots or w/e should not be your top speed. I don't understand how DICE can just ignore the stressful parts of their previous games only to add in newer shit.
Still doesn't change the fact that one of the major reasons MW manages to sell so much is they manage to release a game without major bugs or balance issues. Who gives a shit if your repacking a game as long as it plays well. That said. Flying feels like shit in this game. 400knots or w/e should not be your top speed. I don't understand how DICE can just ignore the stressful parts of their previous games only to add in newer shit.
For example.Commie Killer wrote:
I began to enjoy BC2 after a little while. This game is just shit.
In BC2 they realized they couldn't fit jets into the game and do them correctly, so they left them out.
They did damage correctly (looking at vehicles especially here).
None of this disabling vehicles shit.
There wasn't blue tint everywhere with even more annoying red lines slashing through it.
They didn't try to pretend they were awesome.
Except for the M60 at first, things were balanced correctly and stayed that way.
They did not try to operate off of a fucking internet browser.
They did not force you to use Origin.
What I like about BF3
The whole gun attachment and perk system.
64 players.
That about covers it.
Fuck BF3, I wish people still played BC2.
I began to enjoy BC2 after a little while. This game is just shit.
Sets a bad precedent. No one will want to support this.FatherTed wrote:
even russia have said this is naughty
For example, back in '09 I think the Obama Admin decided they weren't going to invite Fox News to one of their news conferences. All the networks were in a uproar because it could have set a bad precedent.
People don't understand that. For some reason, a lot of people assume that the direct path to the US is over Europe.FEOS wrote:
Except that's not how these missiles work. Hence why they pose no threat to Russia's nuclear deterrent vis a vis the US.Jay wrote:
It's easier to shoot down a missile close to its launchpad, and it keeps any potential nuclear fallout in the launching country.Uzique wrote:
yeah cause iran are really gonna nuke hungary or poland. sworn mortal enemies that they are.
I must of checked that list to make sure I had all the parts 20 times. I'll be sure I triple check this stuff at least.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
You generally only ever make a mistake like that once
Should make you triple check everything next time lol.
Ever hear the old adage "measure twice, cut once"? I used to make mistakes a bunch, started following one that said measure 5 times, go mark the board, then measure again, then cut.
Seems they left a lot of the positive attributes of BC2 out of this game and added a bunch of shit. Jets are a gimmick. BC2 had it right, no jets. I love jets, and love flying them, but they just don't fit correctly in these games. Shoulda been heli's only, call in airstrikes from jets.
That said. I'm still going to play it. BC2 died.
That said. I'm still going to play it. BC2 died.
I organize by topic. Eg. History, Military History, School, Business, Geography, General Novels, Maybe a certain author if I have a lot.
Really its what ever works for you.
Really its what ever works for you.