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..teddy..jimmy wrote:

ps do kamikazee and crim still frequent ts?

No. The team usually frequents Kami's TS.

To everyone who voted, thanks a lot for the support, it is honestly appreciated.

Dauntless, thanks again for bringing this up over here.

Did you really stop in the RED ZONE to type a reply to that?
GG.
Not.

Emil_the_Slayer wrote:

The teaser made me bored.... the final video should be much better if I'm gonna bother to d/l it...

You will be bored.
Only pubbing, no 1337 clan warz0rz.

zeidmaan wrote:

@Comben,
Good to hear iGi is up. I was on that Russian server yesterday, not very friendly those Russians

Guess I was a bit luckier then... I played a few hours before you on that server already and there were mainly familiar faces from the TB and IGI servers online... Plus fishw0rk, who could help on a lot of questions I had... being commander could actually be fun in 0.6!

Snake wrote:

When do you guys think this movie will be done? Weeks/months?

Actually it should be done this upcoming weekend.

ChevyLee86 wrote:

yea true, what mod do i need to get to have more bots?

Not a mod. Try searching for something called "BF2 bot changer" or something like that, it'll allow you to increase the number of bots for vanilla BF2, SF and all installed mods and also allow you to alter bot difficulty in steps of 0.1, where 0.5 is medium.

ShawN_ wrote:

Are graphics always this bad in BF2 ???

Less details for better performance.
Better performance for better performing player.
Better performing player for the win.

q.e.d.

I had my "divine moment of truth" yesterday, in fact it's been 7 or 8 hours in a row on the iGi server.  That is definitely what this game should be like: Excellent squadleader (believe it or not, German it seems), pretty much the same guys joining the squad over and over again and working as a - very successful - unit.
A breathtaking intense experience.


Nonetheless, it is just not right that PR is a teamwork / voip heaven compared to BF2. Our squadleader kicked several guys from our squad round after round who seemed not to understand what the "VOIP+TW" part in our squadname tried to tell them. If then you see your "squadmates" move out on their own without squadleader ordering them to, you know they didn't get the concept - that's not what this game should be like.


So, my general impression is: if you're with a really good squad and team, PR is the most intense and enjoyable experience online gaming has to offer.
However, if you end up on a team of clueless idiots and in a squad of people who don't know how to use VoIP or even have that deactivated, you know you better play Solitaire for a little while.

ScoutStrike wrote:

I voted for Eve of Destruction, most refreshing mod I've ever played. PR boooo!

Except for the booo part, I agree. EoD is quite cool.


Edit: Btw, wow, I suppose PR will get reset for vote-padding or something. Not 90 minutes ago, there were only 40 votes, now there's 109.

A mod on 2 that hasn't even been released for BF2. Talking about stupid top lists...

What sucks:
People stating the obivous.

Why would anyone need you to tell them that good squadleaders or working strategies are a nice thing to have?

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

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Wow, at least one post in this thread that's not to be considered fanboy-ism (okay, adding the "me2"-post from David makes 2).

I really, really don't understand why someone can say "nothing sucks about this mod" and still not turn all purple or something.

I played with zeidmaan and a few others earlier this week. Yes, there was some sort of communication, at least between our squadleader, zeid, me and, occasionally, a fourth guy. The other two weren't talking and basically doing their own thing, except for when they needed our SL as spawn point.

We were US on Al Basrah and basically got handed our asses to us really, really bad.
The four guys in our squad that sticked together had died more than 100 times (summed up) at the end of the round, that makes 50 minutes of staring at the respawn screen by default respawn time, not calculating in the personal penalty time.
All squadmembers went through situations as described there, even more than once: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 6#p1416306
My lesson from that was: teamwork can't keep you from dying in this mod. Totally not.
That sucks.
The respawn time sucks.
The personal dying penalty time sucks, for reasons described above.

The balancing sucks.

This does not suck:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Rally points when the SL know how they are

Yes, definitely.

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

The field bandage pack thingie

A gimmick, barely more. If your squad's medics both died, you might not be able to get yourself enough time to wait for their re-arrival to get fully healed, you'll just be forced to spend more time watching your vision get blurry and listening to your alter-ego coughing and then losing consciousness. Wow.

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

the special kits

Yes. I'm not a vBF2 sniper, but did pretty good with a picked up sniper (or marksman?) kit in this mod earlier this week. The thought of a team full of those scares the shit out of me. The limited availability of some other kits doesn't seem that much reasonable to me.

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

you can spawn on cars and APCs

Which is possible in 2142, too, yet less of a risk because even if your pilot or driver is a retard, you won't add another 30+x seconds waiting time after he rammed you into the next best building. I basically like the idea of mobile spawn points, but not fully the way they're implemented.

What I personally like a lot is the accuracy of weapons. Playing too much vBF2 makes one totally forget how accurate these weapons should basically be.

zeidmaan wrote:

Shockpaddles are basically a representation of years and years of medical training Something insurgents dont have.

America's Army let's you go through a couple of MC-tests before you're allowed to be field medic in the game. Without a doubt, PR has already made a compromise by sticking to the basic model of "everything but straight headshot and AT hit on infantry can be cured by just a medpack held out or running 300V through a human body", so why not the other way round, too?
However, I get the point.

zeidmaan wrote:

And RPG class is already the deadliest insurgent class. With 2 rockets, big splash radius and very fast reload and rearm time. Giving them an AK as well would make other classes obsolete.

No smoke grenades, no Molotov cocktails, no med pack... plus, it's just 2 rockets. Might be enough for a lucky shot, but beyond that? It took me a while to get used to the AT-class in vBF2, too, but these days I can get a KDR of >2 in IO with that kit, too. I don't see that happening with the insurgent AT. Unless he gets a chance to shoot a freshly spawned squad, a medic reviving a teammate or hits the final shot on enemy armor, this class seems to be the most likely one to get raped.

zeidmaan wrote:

I agree making the gunner seat in APCs "unspawnable" would be a good idea. But the fact is that scenario when you spawn in the gunner seat and all other seats are occupied and APC wont stop is so rare that it happened to me once in 100 hours of playing. So going to the trouble of coding it (if its even posible) would be a waste of time and effort.

Agreed. It's been more of a general observation of something I personally think is rather stupid and unnecessary. There's just no reasonable explanation to kill someone who tries to help out their team instead of just making that spot useless, i.e. "seat available, but gun can't be used".

I call hacks, the guy is never running out of stamina.

j/k

I found it quite funny, a nice visualisation of "you know you're playing too much BF2, when...".
Thanks for sharing.

A few thoughts that came to my mind, playing earlier this week:
- Why do insurgents not get shock paddles? One should believe they would have been able to loot some of those from dead GIs or Brits or whomever and they do as well have people with the knowledge to work on complex electronic devices, so why wouldn't they have been able to rebuild them?

- Why do insurgents light AT kits get those RPGs and just stupid little pistols while their counterparts get assault rifles? It should at least be possible to give them something like an MP5, a MAC-10, an UZI or any other PDW, something that's a little more powerful and a little less liquor-store-raid-like. I mean, seriously, the whole middle east is considered to be a place where almost everyone owns an AK or other assault rifle, so why don't people who are actively engaged in combat get something like that?

- Why does one have to get killed on certain positions in vehicles? Say you're spawning on a vehicle where only the driver has the crewman kit and the only seat left is the gunner: you're condemned to die again if the driver doesn't stop the vehicle within 10 seconds, because even if you hop out of the vehicle at full speed, you'll be taking damage. Just make the gunner seats etc. unuseable without crewman kit, that should be fairly enough.

...
so much for now, I posted this on the realitymod.com forums, too.

Don't get confused. He's not the average wookie.

Dude, you're a wookie but I respect you.
That video shows why.
If all snipers were that good and especially active instead of camping, the general sniper reputation wouldn't be that bad probably.
Nice vid, I enjoyed it.

Definitely doesn't work for me, the PRHQ part I mean. My ABR achievements are obviously tracked, but my PRHQ is always empty.

No. Like with all other mods, stats aren't added to your regular BF2 stats.
OPK was the first BF2 mod I checked out (version 0.15 or something) and I liked the look and feel. It attracted me more than POE or DCON for example.
There used to be several servers when I played it a few months ago and I personally think it is a rather popular server for which there should still exist a few servers.

DrunkFace wrote:

You all bitch about planes, but never get in AA, or when flying never engage the other fighters but look for things to bomb, or you just can't fly and bitch about it because your not good enough.

I find flying boring and I don't spend spare time doing stuff that's boring, that's what I have to do at my job and university already.

DrunkFace wrote:

Vehicles are not that good... there are plenty of counter measures for every vehicle (wake excluded).
And its the first rule of using vehicles never ever give them up to the enemy EVER!!! If you can follow this one rule, you should have a relatively even playing field where planes fight planes, choppers fight choppers and tanks/infantry fight each other.

That is an excellent theory, but barely more than that. How many pilots do you think would have a KDR of > 3 for aviator, if they sticked to shooting down enemy jets and bombers exclusively? Same for the choppers. Also, it's never been questioned by anyone that it is stupid to give up vehicles so the enemy can grab them. The equality of the battlefield is a topic in question though: there's vehicles in this game that are just better than others. Some take more hits, some are more agile than their equivalents and, which gets us back to "the way it's ment to be played", what would be the purpose of bombers if not bombing ground troops and enemy armor? Of course it is intended to help people enlarge their e-peen by dropping a set of 5 bombs on enemy ground forces. Now don't start with lucky AT shots, tanks etc. pp. Shooting down enemy jets and bombers in a tank usually takes an extreme lot of luck or an extremely careless pilot, not talking about AT rockets at all.
Yes, of course there's AT vehicles and fixed AA sites, but seriously and honestly, what's the success rate, who will usually prevail in that fight? Good pilots, be it jet or chopper, know where fixed sites are and will know to avoid vehicles as long as possible.

DrunkFace wrote:

As infantry you can also aid your team by using AA or going AT, or getting in transports and using the 50 cal against things. If vehicles are not doing there 'job' on your team then its the fault of your team mates not the strength of the vehicles in question.

Completely agreed. Maybe that's why I wrote

AmbassadorofPain wrote:

[...]well knowing that the vast majority of pubbers will not coordinate efforts enough to place 2 vehicles with .50 Cal to shoot the chopper down or, if that happened, some other guy will for sure hop in the drivers seat and drive away.

A chopper can easily mow down an enemy infantry squad and there's not much to do when a bomb wave is heading in your direction either, but barely any infantry guy can go through a whole squad of other awake infantry without dying. That's the difference. Shooting down choppers or jets requires luck and usually coordinated efforts. Prevailing against other infantry is an all-equal environment.
IO eliminates the "food chain of virtual war in BF2" as one might call it.

On the other hand, just to get this straight: I do not deny the fact that some are extremely skilled with the jet, bomber or chopper, but I have a different idea of what skill actually means and when that skill comes to pay.

Snake wrote:

With the introduction of IO, on the 64size maps only a handful are playable due to the shear size of the maps. Even 32's can be too big.

Good point. But these large 64 player maps are played on 24 or 32 player servers, too, something that pretty sure wasn't ment to be either.

Snake wrote:

I dont remember seeing FuShe or OCS being popular IO maps.

I don't see these two in particular being popular maps at all. OCS isn't playable in IO, not even in 16 player size, because every boat that would come across the sea would be Eryx'ed before getting anywhere near the shore. FuShe pass 16 player IO though would be a pretty good IO map, even with more players, if, of course, people would stick to doing infantry combat, not camping ridges as snipers and PKM bullet sprayers.
On the other hand, and I've said this before, popularity shouldn't be a measure for quality, because if so, we'd all be eating shit and listening to stupid montonous pop music.

Snake wrote:

That, to me, points out exactly what the original intentions of the game were meant to be - a combined battlefield. And it was. Although I feel that DICE did a bad job of incorporating the infantry on most of the vanilla maps, you look at the SF maps (and Great Wall on EF) and they are wonders. They combine all aspects (bar jets) in a very good, well rounded atmosphere. The choppers are only dominant in the most experienced of hands as are the tanks. Compare that to karkand (where most people refuse to leave) and you can see why most people complain of "vehicle whores".

Totally agreed. Yet you already mentioned why people hungered for a change: infantry is badly incorporated into most vanilla maps and there's just not enough interesting/exciting vehicles for everyone...

Snake wrote:

Personally, I believe that if stats were not a part of this game, you would see more people on the maps outside of karkand and you would also see more people playing as AT on that map to counter the tanks. And thats because you wouldnt care about your KD. As Drunkface pointed out, all AT weapons generally yield low KDR's. And that is a typical reflection of the effectiveness of the AT weapons vs vehicles - which is how it should be. Its just that nobody wants to do it because they will lose out on a few revive points.

Or ammo points or claymore kills of course.

Snake wrote:

Also, DICE did a poor job in implementing the ground defense (TOW's are usually in useless spots as are the mounted LMG's, which are usually for display purposes) which leaves the average grunt having to use the AT weapons. Which we all know, doesn't happen.

Again, I can only agree.
Yet this brings up the question: what is the root of this problem? DICE designing bad maps? The average player not listening to the voice of reason and spawning medic, support, sniper instead of AT when enemy armor is camping spawns? DICE giving a stats and ranking system?

Snake wrote:

AmbassadorofPain wrote:

Quite obviously, it is the players who decide(d) how BF2 is ment to be played.

I hope not, otherwise PK and the latest "Padding Only" servers will also become legal

That's not desireable, but it doesn't bother me that much actually.

Snake wrote:

This game was primarily designed to include an all out battlefield combining all of these aspects. There are not a lot of games, from an FPS POV, that provide this. Why not take advantage of it?

True. I wouldn't want to give up the vehicles totally either.

Idlewild wrote:

AmbassadorofPain wrote:

VicktorVauhn wrote:

Overall looks cool. For those who missed an independant map maker is testing a map based off the new map settings called baghdad, its pretty damn barren, but HUGE with great view distance.

It's an awesome map, definitely, just like the city part of Al Basrah an great example of excellent map design.

Lagdad!

My CPU is t3h suck (AMD X2 4200, not OC'ed), but I haven't had any problems. I have to admit though I didn't see it in fully populated (50 to 64 player) action.

That "uncap raping was ok with their team only" already points in a good direction: they don't like getting slapped on their own server, which is why they kick and ban for using hacks even without evidence or reason.

RDMC(2) wrote:

IMO, Infantry Only should never have been introduced in the first place as it completely killed the way Battlefield 2 was meant to be played.

Which included
- prone spamming / dolphin diving
- shooting while jumping
- C4 chucking
- the blackhawk with a good crew being a flying fortress that could only be taken down by C4 ramming, several tanks and apcs hunting it or a bunch of vehicle .50 cals combined
- etc. etc.

What *exactly* is the way BF2 was ment to be played? I keep hearing pretty much that phrase over and over again, but so far I haven't heard any somewhat valid or reasonable explanation for that. All people that used this statement so far were jet whores (who wouldn't accept that there's just not enough jets for everyone usually and that some don't tk for vehicles or, respectively, can't accept that others would get good kdrs when competing with other ground pounders instead of jets and bombers), helo whores (same) and people who spent 1250 of 1450 total playing time camping on Karkand in the M1A1.

The phrase I like most second only to the one just mentioned is "Infantry Only doesn't take any skill". Again, it usually comes from that kind of people who think there's anything 1337 about bombing men with boomsticks on the ground at 900 mph or doing a chopper-rape session on certain SF or vanilla maps, well knowing that the vast majority of pubbers will not coordinate efforts enough to place 2 vehicles with .50 cals to shoot the chopper down or, if that happened, some other guy will for sure hop in the drivers seat and drive away.

A few other things that are or were included in the game yet for sure weren't ment that way:
- It shouldn't have been possible to flip boats over to repair them or drive vehicles into water so they take damage and do the same
- It shouldn't have been possible to get into certain buildings, because if so, DICE would have given them openable doors
- The red aka dead zone pretty sure was not intended to work as a noob-ejector for solo'ers or people who want to fly with someone else instead of the gunner who actually got in
- etc.

These two lists could be continued endlessly.

Don't get me wrong: I've had my fun back in the days before IO, too, and still play regular vanilla, not least because I'm starting to discover my love for attack choppers. Yet I can not see why that would be more the way "BF2 was ment to be". Ever since, DICE responded - as good as possible, which, in some case, was far from good of course - to public demand by nerfing (i.e. the blackhawk or the dolphin dive) stuff, cutting back badge and ribbon requirements or implementing new features.
After all, there used to be IO servers before that game mode had been implemented by DICE - it's been considered statspadding and servers could lose their rank status for enforcing a "no vehicles policy".

Quite obviously, it is the players who decide(d) how BF2 is ment to be played.

In the end, BF2 is ment to be fun and that is absolutely all BF2 is ment to be.

Once again, I apologize for talking too much.

My whole group has been banned from all their servers with pretty much the same stupid explanation.

Stubbee wrote:

If you didn't get an email then your email address is invalid or outdated. Contact EA support for their reasons.
They don't reset without good evidence.

AFAIK they never respont to such inquiries, just general random phrases like the one you gave: "never without good reason".

I've definitely seen, in addition to those already mentioned, POR (Portugal), PL (Poland) and CZ (Czech Republic).

I wouldn't interprete too much into that, though.

There's other stuff I personally find more offensive than someone telling me about their origin in his nickname.

Good: Inf action
Good: Chopper action:

Bad: J10 action
Skilled pilots (which I am not) don't waste 6 AA rockets on a blackhawk, that's what god gave that jet a machine gun for.

Nonetheless: Nice to watch, thanks for sharing.

ScoutStrike wrote:

TrollmeaT wrote:

I like both types of play & the option to play either, its a quick look to see if they allow vehicles or not so whats the problem?

Well it takes about a second before you get the server info when you click on it. Manually checking the list gets old after a while. Besides, you would expect that if you uncheck the 'No Vehicles' checkbox, it would actually give you the servers *with* vehicles. But nooo, it gives both vehicle and IO servers. Go EA.

It's the same for "Ranked servers" or "Same Mod". It's at least a consistent approach.

ScoutStrike wrote:

But we definately need a filter for vehicle-only servers! It's goddamn impossible to find a city map server that isn't IO.

TV2 and Battlefield Gotland for Europe. Both have at least or about 10 servers running, some multimap, some (selected) citymaps only, some IO and some with vehicles. They're located in Norway and Sweden, but unless you're using a carrier pigeon as ISP, you should ping reasonable from the Netherlands.

Snake wrote:

I mean, if I were to ask everyone to, off the top of their heads, name all the flags on a map like FuShe - most people couldnt. But Karkand? Everybody can.

Good point, to a certain extent. I know where most of the spawn points are (as well as on Daqing or Dalian and even Dragon Valley), which vehicles spawn etc. but indeed couldn't come up with the names of most flags. Could be because I barely ever played those maps as tactical as I did the city maps... on the larger maps, it's usually just run from one flag to next, whereas on city maps, you might pick one that's a little farther away.

It depends on what you consider the "best SF" map. I personally think it's pretty cool to be honest. I'd rather give up Leviathan or Iron Gator, definitely, at least if the teams are somewhat balanced and you're not ending up with your guys doggedly defending all the important roofs that map has to offer, while the enemy controls the streets with armor and the air with two choppers.

Ghost Town isn't a bad map and I'm quite thankful it's at least trying to compete with the amount of Warlord only servers that dominated the SF server scene for quite a while.

Like Sarge, I enjoy(ed) podding onto people, in the beta with APC pods, in the retail game with Titan pods. That's just so cruel.
Also, what used to make me giggle, was RDXing through enemies on Gibraltar...

Than, of course, there's always those little moments like knifing people that annoyed you all round or shooting them straight in the head with the Pilum.

Beyond that, my best memories are definitely related to teamspeak and teamwork, which means playing with people I like and respect and can rely on. Be it air transport whoring with an organised squad and repeatedly laughing at the guys in their gunships that kept coming back after getting shot down with the SAAW. Be it setting up ambushes of EMP and motion mines to take out enemy walkers.
Be it running through Gibraltar or Tunis Harbor with a group of skilled inf players, making it through waves of APMs and sentry drones, finishing rounds with better scores and better kdrs than those who can only have machines and devices do the killing for them.

Nate_32 wrote:

I am just surprised at all the infantry only servers now. There are so many games out that feature infantry only and are so much better. Counter-Strike (both source and original) and America's Army come to mind.

Bad comparison. Totally. They're three different games that barely have more in common than the fact you're supposed to make a mouse cursor match with a bunch of pixels and press LMB.
CS and CS:S are by far more arcade-style while America's Army is extremely slow-paced and strategic.
BF2 stands somewhere between these, promoting teamwork by far more than the CS games ever could and punishing lone-wolfing by far less than AA ever would.
BF2 beats these two, because it suits your preferred playing style. It's not that much you who has to adapt to certain limitations the game enforces on you.

If you want to compare anything, compare PR and AA, yet again I would decide against AA because PR feels and looks a lot better.

VicktorVauhn wrote:

Overall looks cool. For those who missed an independant map maker is testing a map based off the new map settings called baghdad, its pretty damn barren, but HUGE with great view distance.

It's an awesome map, definitely, just like the city part of Al Basrah an great example of excellent map design.

zeidmaan wrote:

And short spawn and no penalty servers give the mod a bad name. The whole point of "long" spawn times is to give a player some kind of penalty for dieing. That way it tries and to a point succeeds in stopping the Rambo gameplay and hectic lonewolfing.
And when a new player decides to try the mod out, there is a big chance he will end up on one of the "modified" servers. So the first impression of the mod is vBF2 with some new toys and same gameplay. And that will turn many good players away and attract many not-so-good players.

To me personally, I'm being turned away because of the long spawn times. It's far beyond frustrating to lie dying 25 seconds, get revived, have an enemy squad pop up from out of nowhere and lie there again for another 30 +x seconds without even having gotten up. Let that happen twice a round and I spent already 2 minutes rotting in my own virtual blood.
Or: I spawn on a squadleader, who's just in that very moment being naded... that's yet another 60+x seconds with barely having done more than pressing the prone key maybe.
Or: I spawn on a Rally Point that has been discovered and is now being camped by the enemy - yay. Yet another 60+x seconds.
In all these cases, I'm not being punished for my own stupidity, for my own careless approach, for my lack of teamwork or anything. I'm being punished for the lack of care or the stupidity of my teammates or maybe even just punished for bad luck.
That whole spawn time / dying penalty thing is totally overrated. The loss of accuracy on the guns when rushing around should be enough to force a more careful approach. The fact you're getting more points for sticking to a squad and working together than for occasionally killing someone, should force teamwork.
The problem is just you can't force people to do something they're not willing and - in most cases - are not able to do. If you end up in a squad of clueless idiots (which still seems to be more likely than anything else), you'll end up without voice communication, without teamwork, without anything worth the while.
In the end, you'll end up uninstalling PR and going back to vBF2 Karkand/Sharqi/Mashtuur/Jalalabad with 4 to 5 friends, executing the teamwork you had been looking for and did not find in PR, but actually having fun.

Ganko_06 wrote:

Shoot the winner.

Me2, regardless of which one wins. I'm sure they're just knife-padding anyways.

Just kidding.

I think it depends on the situation, I can't really tell. I suppose on an FF ON server, I'd be too afraid to shoot the teammate first and therefore wait for the result of that knife-fight.
Personally, I don't knife-fight anyways. Knife's a last resort when rifle and pistol have been emptied or when I just got revived and see certain kinds of nubs (you know who you are) rushing me or, of course, a short range sneaky killer when no shock paddles are available.

It's always fun to see you in action and, as I don't want my comment to drown in your Good-bye-post, it's been a pleasure to play with you on your Devil's Perch and Night Flight server...

I couldn't stop laughing in the last sequence when the AK points everywhere but not in the direction of the enemy yet that guy just drops dead... The delay between animation and own perception is always good for a laugh, unless you're the one who gets killed by it.

1. and 2. may switch, depending on whether baserape is allowed or not and whether the US team makes it off the carrier on Dalian, but

1. Daqing Oilfields
2. Dalian Plant
3. Kubra Dam
4. Dragon Valley
5. Gulf of Oman

That's for the 64 size player maps. I also miss Fushe Pass in that list.
All in all, PLA maps beat the MEC non-city-maps by far.

[Hive]-Twist wrote:

French as in, French from France or french as in speaks french?

French as in from France. I group /Canucks/ together with Canadians and don't have any experience with other French-speaking countries.


While we're at it, I encountered yet another prime example for the "sucking German" today, just a few minutes ago on =SF= Warlord IO:
http://bf2s.com/player/70725501/


Guy had been glitching into the palace, guy kept getting owned after leaving the walls to cap a flag and not making it back in there, so started insulting everyone, of course - go figure - in German.

Among other things saying stuff like this:


Translation (into something that actually makes sense and doesn't sound as retarded as the original): "I'm high-skilled, but want to get the silver AT badge".

Or this:

Translation (into something that actually makes sense and doesn't sound as retarded as the original): "FUCK OFF YOU SPASTIC BOOZEHOUND."

Or this:

Translation: "Just fuck off now".


I'm starting to understand where that negative picture of Germans comes from. Guys like that are the ones one notices in game - not positively as teamworkers or flagcappers etc., but for their whining and bitching.

Marlboroman82 wrote:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l250/marlboroman82/ownd.jpg

i like this server

lol @ our serious Teamspeak.

Hm, w00t or something.
No, seriously, good thing. I might even join, especially when that guy with the dirty underwear is whoring the little bird.

Must have been the best fight that server has seen in months. Nice vid, good laugh.

Metal-Eater-GR wrote:

And hey,anyone heard that some politics in germany had banned killing games like CSS etc as they think it makes ppl to kill.lolz for crying out loud

That's plain wrong. There have been considerations and in fact the two parties (yay, we have more than 2 of them actively being part of the parliament, all countries for which that applies please raise your hands) that form our government have that written into their coalition contract: It has to be examined into depth to which extent playing FPSs has an influence on people's level of aggression, especially that of teenagers. While it is true that certain populists have been demanding a general ban on all kinds of FPSs, all proposals to the government so far have been - quite harshly, with numbers that left no doubt - rejected.
The story and motivation behind that, however, isn't "lolz". I'll quote myself, something I posted on the TOP forums about this:

myself wrote:

April 26, 2002: Robert Steinhäuser, a student of the Johann Gutenberg Gymnasium in Erfurt, Germany, who had been expelled from school a few weeks before his final exams, killed 13 teachers, 2 fellow students and and a police officer before committing suicide. Soon again, society had found the most obvious reasons for this: violent computer games, heavy metal and rock music, horror and action movies. Various conservative politicians demanded a national ban of all ego shooters. The term "Killerspiele" ("Killer games") was coined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_school_massacre

November 20, 2006: A student of a Realschule in Emsdetten, Germany, enters his former school and starts throwing incendiary bombs and shooting around. 37 People are being injured. The police found pipe bombs on the dead student's body. The student was said to be quiet and passive, focussing most of his energy on military-style games in the countryside and - violent computer games.

All of a sudden, national news seem to report of more planned or announced amok runs every three to four days. While the majority seems to come from freeloaders, the police warns not to take the situation too easy.

December 8, 2006: In Cottbus, Germany, a 19-year-old is being put on trial for murder due to base motives. He beat up a homeless person after losing several rounds of "Smackdown vs. RAW" on his Playstation while playing with a friend for hours. Though he said he did not intend to kill the person, he smashed the derelict's cranial bone.

Either way, EOD for me at this point. One last note though, on the whole "relation of numbers" issue: I know several people who did not place their account's origin in their real homeland. I myself have accounts coming from several other countries and I know non-Germans who have theirs coming from Germany.

cowami wrote:

Ah, that clarifies things.

He's German. Most of them are douches (no offense to the Germans here...most of you, anyway) who will whore things. Just look at the top 10.

That's not an argument. How many Germans were in the Top10 before EA started massively resetting? Even further, how many were in the Top50?
I personally do not whore things anyways, that's why I'm still a Colonel and not a 3-star. 
Beyond that, I'll be straight honest saying I don't like playing on German servers either, pretty much for the reasons given by others already. There's just too much whining, too much bitching, too much envy, too many stupid rules. I tend to even feel embarrassed when those retarded nublets start filling the in game chat with german whining on US or UK servers.

Nevertheless, the worst BF2 players I've encountered so far are French and yes, that's a generalization without exception. I have yet to meet a good (as in "skilled") and teamwork-able (as in "speaking understandable english and willing to work with a group") french player.
I've encountered incredible douches from all countries, US, UK, GER, SWE, FIN, you name them, but in most cases there's a few to a larger number of others who balance that.

-101-InvaderZim wrote:

Like the Medic and Engineer - Easy points
Played properly the Support Class is THE most important when in a Squad.

No. That equals with medic. If all squadmembers are down, it doesn't matter if they have 4 unused rifle clips and 4 frag grenades left. On the other hand, a squad at full health without bullets in their primary weapons isn't really helpful.
What else except for resupplying can be accounted in favor of support? The suppressive effect of LMGs in vBF2 does basically not exist and nade spamming to cover your own squad works, if at all, on FF OFF servers only.
So, no, support is not more important for a squad than medics.


What do I personally think about the support class? Seeing that support whoring has been more popular than medic whoring on Karkand, Jalalabad or Sharqi for quite a while already, I think it is quite obvious what one has to think about that class. The kit comes with good body armor and powerful yet accurate weapons with large clips and unlimited supplies. The vast majority of players does spray&pray, they just press the trigger until someone drops or the weapon overheats. In case I didn't make myself clear: that was a nice way to say it doesn't require skill to get somewhere with that kit. While there are some who are actually skilled with it (doing some excellent path clearing for their squad, being at hand with ammo whenever their squad needs some etc.), most just use this kit as their on "give ammo" cheat to endlessly nadespam.
Btw, yes, the weapons seem to be ridiculously accurate every once in a while.

On FF OFF servers, you could even use C4 to bomb yourself to areas that seem out of range.

CouchPotato wrote:

ghost town IO is no fun... All it is is nade spamming..

Hm. No idea what you're talking about. From my experience, it's less a problem on Ghost Town than on Warlord or even Mass Destruction.

And keep the map rotation to 2 per map. Just a suggestion. 3 gets boring and 2 gives both teams a chance to play each side once.

You should nonetheless be aware of what awaits you in PR: Something like America's Army on the BF2 engine. PR is not arcade, it's not recreational. It's a demanding and serious task with quite high level of frustration in the beginning, far beyond that of vBF2.