Heggs is right. You can tell when your firing a live or blank round. The recoil is greater from propelling the bullet. The gas travels behind the round and escapes with a larger force than the blank round with is just a bang and lights round. They are still dangerous though and can kill you or burn you.
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Lol thanks. I love college life. Its too easy being able to approach girls in a bar or at a party.
Like its been said before. Confidence is a key thing that girls are into. I used to be really shy and wasn't very confident in high school. Got to college and all that changed. They key is to not try and think of what to talk about. This creates an awkward silence usually. Like said before...try to get to know them as a friends first. If they are interested you will know soon enough. Shoot this winter break I just had was awesome. Ran into alot of old friends and made new ones at the bar.......Then again I did walk into the bar with boxers one night and left with out them cause a bachelorette party claimed them. Heres a few of the girls i met.
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Its not so much for the fallen soldier as it is a symbol to family and friends as to what he did. Its not easy to react like that to save your fellow brothers. Most people would dive and take cover behind a car or something. I've only ran into one Medal of Honor recipient my entire life and he was from WWII. He is no longer with us but seeing that medal in person is VERY rare. This veteran was lucky in the fact he actually lived to recieve his award, 90% of the recipients never return home alive. Unfortunately this current recipient did not get to come home alive. But because of his actions other marines do.mafia996630 wrote:
aye, i remember another soldier got the Victorian cross. RIP to him and everyone else that has died.
Question though, Why give medals to dead people? i just find it a bit odd, don't quite know why.
By the question, i am simply curious, i do not intend to offend anyone.
EDIT: i know it shows how much a certain someone was willing to sacrifice, but whats he going do with it when he's dead?
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OOH. Someone put a Master Srgt rank on his signature. Wish i was that high in real life. Oh well i got 2 more years and then ill be a 2nd Lt. So i dont really care.USAFDude_1988 wrote:
I know a few peeps from school that I follow around.. I think I freaked out Slam the other day because I just came out of nowhere (I used BF2S to find where he was playin).
Back when I was playin the demo (prior to this month), I knew this guy called sooch90 or somethin like that.. That guy knew what he was doing, and he's gotta be in the military. I hope there's guys like that round here.
You do realize that armed combatants like that are valid targets to be shot. The wounds he would have recieved from the initial attack were severe enough that he would not have lived. No medic could have gotten there in time to tend to him and its not like the chopper pilots can land it get out and then do a treatment on him. Choppers can't take prisoners. Those men were valid military targets....there is a difference when you can take prisoners and execute them than not being able to and killing them. Chopper...vehicle for two with no room and infantry which can take wounded prisoners.PRiMACORD wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO2V2_OoZc8
That guy was wounded and US forces executed him.
Just saying, i'm not sure how much the ROE is hindering US forces at the moment. Should it? I would say yes as we should be showing the world how high our moral grounds are.
Also bubbalo they could have easily taken him prisoner. They take prisoners/hostages all the time. There was no tactic in that except simply to kill.
Amen to that. Realistically speaking if you any idea how hard it is to get someone who has been used to nothing but war and hate to turn around and start living in peace with one another and accepting these views is gonna happen over night. Then you are in need of a swift ass kicking and a donkey punch while were at it. You can't just change things and say hey were done lets go before they are really done. IMO personal opinion we should have Israel's stance in the shoot first ask ?'s later. But hey whatever you know its only my ass that on the line out there.Pinto wrote:
Other than Iraq (for the second time), when was the USA an aggressor? Every other war was in self defense or assisting the defense of another country. I love how kids or lefties like to confuse emotion with facts.TeamZephyr wrote:
The UN is a ridiculously corrupt organization.
They declare North Korea to be an aggressive nation, fair enough they are aggressive. But I can't believe that the 2 most aggressive countries of the 20th Century (Israel and the USA) have not been declared aggressive. Just my two cents.....
Hmm interesting...I only know about the american stuff lol.
4. Is a high drag bomb. Wished they had F-16s in this game i know all their variants lol
8. I gotta be honest this does not look like a bomb ive ever seen in our arsenal...im at a loss. Wish you had a better pic
10. Is a 500lb Mk82 bomb only in its slick or low drag mode using a FMU-139 nose fuse.
11. Is our Aim-9 variant P or L. Written on the missile cant tell unless actually looking at it. Has a 40lb warhaed with an influenzing fuze and seeker head has to be cooled when operating. Short ranged missile but still BVR(beyond visual range)....this missile is a POS compared to our newer Aim-9X variant.
4. Is a high drag bomb. Wished they had F-16s in this game i know all their variants lol
8. I gotta be honest this does not look like a bomb ive ever seen in our arsenal...im at a loss. Wish you had a better pic
10. Is a 500lb Mk82 bomb only in its slick or low drag mode using a FMU-139 nose fuse.
11. Is our Aim-9 variant P or L. Written on the missile cant tell unless actually looking at it. Has a 40lb warhaed with an influenzing fuze and seeker head has to be cooled when operating. Short ranged missile but still BVR(beyond visual range)....this missile is a POS compared to our newer Aim-9X variant.
Yeah i got whacked in the head with one awhile back in Special forces. I looked over the edge of a roof to get smacked in the face by an unexploded nade....the funny part is it fell back down and killed the guy who tossed it. Still took out about 50% of my life tho.
The last one on grenades is actually realistic in a sense. They have a minimum arming time that they have to be in the air before they can impact and explode. This is done so some moron wont blow himself and other squad members up on accident. And they can bounce if they hit before this minimum time/distance is achieved. Although i wouldnt be willing to test it.jkohlc wrote:
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btw i dont think that BF2 is realistic...it takes 2 or more headshots to kill when not using the sniper rifle?
the Barret M95 DOES NOT rip open soldier's belly when being shot at?
grenades from grenade launchers actually BOUNCES???
LOL start putting the engineers and DOA to use and go bird hunting to clear the runwayscyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
another great post
realism is teh bad in bf2... ppl will bitch about weapons jamming, i wonder if ur in a jet and a bird gets sucked into ur engine and u die
Then they should also increase the accuracy of the .50 cal and increase its power to one shot, one kill. Im sorry but getting hit from that thing will tear you apart.... trust me ive seen what a .50 cal can do to a human body. Its not purtty. Although lol cougar i started cracking my ass up as soon as you put the UCMJ in. While were at it lets throw in Article 15 where if you dont do what the commander says he gets to punish you by any means he sees fit.
However he was discharged before the crime had been discovered. Which made him a civilian again. So having committed the crime in Iraq he should be tried and punished in Iraq. Also once he had gotten off duty for that day is when he and his culprits changed out of uniform to committ such an act. I say hand over the ones who did it to Iraq and let it be dealt with by them. Would also help to make a soldier think about what he does if he knows hes not immune to Iraq's laws. Had the sick prick over and let the punishment begin.LockerFish wrote:
You all make good points, and just to play the devil's advocate(I hope that's the correct use of that phrase), let me go.
This is a military situation. If he was a citizen, then by all means, he should be tried in Iraq. And I will admit I don't know technicalities for the following statements, but just run with me for a minute. This is a military situation. He was an armed soldier in an(whether this is how it's classified or not) occupying force. Maybe it's just me, but I think the military should deal with one of their soldiers. As long as he didn't do anything illegal to another soldier or off duty, the military should handle it.
I'm quite distraced right now so please ask questions so I can maybe explain things better before you start bashing me.
If i screwed up in Germany...not mattering if I am military or not. Which I am, i would still be subject to Germany's laws not the military's or the US's. However if i did it in the US i would get double shafted by the military and the US. LOL
I know what you mean Kr@cker. In all honesty unless you have been to war. Know how it operates, why they do what, how it affects your enemy. Then just shut the hell up. Civilians will ALWAYS be victims in a military operation. You try and limit their involvement....well atleast some countries do, but your always going to effect them one way or another. Israel has been fighting the middle east since its formation in 1948. So i find it funny how everyone bitches about Israel not letting it slide when all they have known since they became a country is Militants killing their civilians. War is what it is......WAR. It will NEVER be humane and to think so is false.kr@cker wrote:
some fag just negged me for this, tell me oh great tactician, why is it that powerplants are not strategic targets?kr@cker wrote:
no it wasn't, if I were invading say, Georgia (the state in which I live), one of the first things I would do is take out plant Scherer, the 2nd largest coal burning power plant in the western hemisphere (it was at one time, I think it still is) which in turn would disrupt the power supply of the whole Eastern seaboard, this way I wouldn't have to risk nuke contamination by hitting the Savannah River complex or....damn...what's that one down near Dothan Alabama? ...the point is power plants whose destruction don't in turn inhibit my advance or aren't impossible to use once control has been established make viable targets......Bubbalo wrote:
So, the powerplant wasn't a civilian target?
Also, alexander, read the article. It's Sweden's job to call a meeting if they see a breach of the Geneva Conventions.
did I just hear a bunch of dataloggers at Langley spin up?
"Today 09:42:10 -1 Switzerland Claims Israel Breaking International Law in Gaza Offensive wrong "
The strategic advantage of hitting a plant means, no refrigeration, no AC, telephone lines down, communication is more difficult. Gets hot and your food doesnt last as long. The civilian population gets sick of it and overthrows militants....possibly. Or they just end up hating you but you know what its Palestine they will hate Israel no matter what they do. So yes when launching an attack disabling power is a good move. I mean hell the US has done it in every major conflict. You take out the power, your enemy gets weaker end of story.Bubbalo wrote:
Okay, fine. Now, what was the strategic advantage in cutting power?
And for the other part...Israel has a MANDATORY 2 years service in the military for EVERY citizen after they graduate High School. So no he didnt have the chance to say no i dont wanna. Even so Israel's policy when it come to dealing with militants has been...we WILL come and get you no matter what. You may end up dead, but your body will return home to your family no matter what. So more research once again Bubbalo.
You stupid ignorant moron. It takes aprox 2.5microns of a nerve agent to kill someone. That is a VERY tiny amount and thats just if it gets on the skin. Less is required if it is airborne to kill someone. Now imagine a bomb with over 500 lbs of this stuff detonating in the air.....leaves alot of people dead when it spreads. You wanna test me on this one. I believe I know alot more about this shit than you do since I have been trained on how to deal with these kinds of weapons, how to treat it if ingested, how it can be ingested, and how much of certain items it takes to kill someone. And if you have ever watched what a nerve agent does to something you would think twice. It is definately a WMD. A nerve agent causes you to convulge violently often causing you to tear you own muscles as well as break your own bones. Its not pretty and being shot my an M4 or killed by a grenade is alot more humane than by nerve gas.Bubbalo wrote:
Only, if those laws are current then it must be assumed to be the belief of the current Conservative government. And besides, nerve gas isn't a WMD. The only way it can be used as such is with large amounts, and I could use large amounts of grenades as a WMD. Or large amounts of m4 carbines, for that matter.Horseman 77 wrote:
lol ! Liberals, They refuse to call Mustard gas and Sarrin gas a WMD but an M4 Carbine is, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
My gf is 100% mexican...and even she hates wetbacks. There is a difference between a Mexican and a wetback. Wetbacks are basically the niggers of the mexicans. No im not racist but just like Whites have trailer trash, blacks have niggers, and mexicans have wetbacks. Lazy and don't work for anything and expect everyone to help them. These are her words exactly which left me stunned. Both her parents came from mexico legally and couldnt speak any english. Well they have a hard time speaking spanish at times now becuase they never use it anymore.
But it seems all the illegals jumping the fence happen to be the wetbacks with a small % that actually try and make something of themselves. The ones that do you can tell they dress nice, spend money wisely, and send kids to college usually. THe other slam their trucks to an inch off the ground and go from an 17" alloy wheel to a 10" 100 spoked rim. Cram it full of family in a brand new Ford F-150 and live in a house with 2-3 other families. You think I'm bullshitting you on this go to the Panhandle in texas in the cattle towns. Its horrible.
But it seems all the illegals jumping the fence happen to be the wetbacks with a small % that actually try and make something of themselves. The ones that do you can tell they dress nice, spend money wisely, and send kids to college usually. THe other slam their trucks to an inch off the ground and go from an 17" alloy wheel to a 10" 100 spoked rim. Cram it full of family in a brand new Ford F-150 and live in a house with 2-3 other families. You think I'm bullshitting you on this go to the Panhandle in texas in the cattle towns. Its horrible.
Um our weapons industries dont need wars to have constant business. We sell to foreign countries as well as in our own. The military also has plenty of contracts for these companies to improve gun and bullet designs as well. As for the us being there for oil....ignorance. We have Kuwait, Alaska, Texas, Oklahoma, Phillipines to name a few as resources for oil. Even mass amounts of oil offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. Your right in large nations needing oil....but we have no say on what Iraq does with its oil. Their government is the one in control of that not us. Oh i forgot to mention Saudi Arabia as an oil supplier, Venezuela and a few other South American countries.hilltop2bit wrote:
MONEY MONEY MONEY.....Thats why a state of war exists there in the first place. A large state (Example: USA) needs to have continuous low level conflicts around the world to support some of its industries such as weapons technology. OIL also is something that powerful states need to control to control transport needs for the world..................THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL FOR EVERYONE TO SEE
Soo I guess that means we lost the Korean War, Gulf War I, Bosnia, Libya, and a few other small conflicts huh. Makes a crapload of since to me....not. Cold War even ring a bell...and yes there were skirmishes between US and USSR during the cold war. We won that one. Only few that i can think of as having been losses would have been Somalia (Not sure outcome on this), Bay of Pigs (JFK), and the fight for Panama(Oh wait we won that one too). Then of course vietnam...which realistically was won after the Tet Offensive but political unrest forced us to pull out.oug wrote:
what do you mean by "is it becoming?" It already is!! Same as all of america's wars since the ww2.
Lol i hate when that happens. The funny part is ive actually killed someone by missing the 9 key. Human bomb getting a kill is like 1 out of ??????. I dont know complete accident though. Guys message after that was priceless.zulu wrote:
Ripcord Whack-a-mole Ribbon . This is one that I would definitely get. (Where the hek did that 9 key go.)
DID I JUST GET KILLED BY A FALLING BODY!!!!!!!!
LOL I love sarcasm. +1 for you. The Jungles or Iraq are dangerous you know. Life expectansy is 18 sencond for a new replacement in Iraq.....just like it was in Vietnam dont you know. I mean we use agent orange over there too and all....i mean come on look at all the bushes we get to kill. 2.5k deaths in iraq compared to the 50k+ deaths in Vietnam. Come on people wake the hell up there is no comparison in these 2 wars. I mean shit the dems are complaining about this war when they started fucken vietnam. I guess since they didnt start it though that automatically makes it an unjust war. Also go back through history and see which party has started more wars....hint it isnt the republican party. Anyone heard of the Bay of Pigs disaster. Thank JFK(Dem) for that massacre. Tried to have Castro assasinated and ended up getting troops killed.Major_Spittle wrote:
[qoute=CameronPoe]Is the middle east becoming a modern Vietnam?[/qoute=CameronPoe]
Would this be in the sense that China is backing the Iraqis, the terrorist are wearing uniforms, the dense jungles of Iraq, we are fighting the spread of communism through Asia, there is a draft in America, there are high casualties in Iraq, a democrat started the war, the use of agent orange, America is restraining itself from venturing into "North Iraq" which is controlled by the communists, there are 550,000 US troops in Iraq, or the fact that Ho Chi Mein's government was defeated in a day and Ho Chi Mein went into hiding until he was caught and put on trail?
I see so many similarities, can you be more specific before you give the impression that it's just the same old hippie wanna bes that say every war is another Vietnam just so they can protest it like in the "glory days".
Yeah, go hemp.
LOL I LOVE IT....To all the ignorant asshats that told me i was wrong....and get this..EVEN AFTER I HAD SEEN THE ARTY SHELLS WITH MY OWN EYES. F**K YOU. I knew they were there, thousands of the soldiers knew they were there. Funny but i wonder how much longer before it actually makes major media. I love it.HolmWrecker wrote:
Um...as of today it was officially announced that some 500 WMD items were found in Iraq.Flecco wrote:
Uhh... It is on record that US soldiers found some rather large illegal warhead delivery (SCUD launchers and modified missles that had extended range capability) systems that Iraq was NOT meant to have due to the sanctions. They didn't find any WMDs though...Ikarti wrote:
Prove it. The US government can't, so I doubt you can either.
Things like sarin and mustard gas, extremely dangerous shit.
Look it up.
Funny how the politicians responsible for getting the info out had to fight long and hard to release this info...funny indeed.
Finally, we can get past this stupid 'no WMD'S!!' crapola.
Lol so far for this post i recieved a +1 and a -1 on karma. I seem to be breaking even these last few weeks. Was on a +15 streak.
This still doesn't explain why Saddam allowed UN inspectors to only inspect certain sites, wouldn't let them enter untill certain convoys had left and the likes there of. Please explain that one too me cause i remember watching a life UN inspection attempt that was denied and cameras showed an Iraqi convoy leaving. The inspectors were not allowed in untill after the convoy left. I watched it on CNN if im not mistaking too.alpinestar wrote:
Actually it was russians who gave IRAQ 90% of weaponry... SCUD is USSR made
and most of their arms were destroyed during desert storm so basically everyone told america that there was no weapons of mass destruction of any kind UN inspectors concluded the same in report though Bush has insisted on going there, now listen closely The "Downing Street memo" is a valid evidence against US for taking unlawful actions against IRAQ, you can read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo
im sure many have heard of it though it was banned on almost all US TV stations and news papers by Bush's administration.
You would be surprised as to how many people are happy that we are there...however they are ready for us to leave. We can't leave just yet though because the Iraqi government isnt ready to operate alone just yet. But more and more people are actually turning the tide within the country itself. Slowly but surely this has been occuring. And don't tell me it hasn't if you have not been over there. I speak from personal experience as well as friends whom have been to different reigions of the nation.AlphaMale wrote:
Only a simpleton would look at casualties and make the case that victory is achievable.(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
What an original idea. Comparing IRAQI FREEDOM to Vietnam. No comparison, old topic.
EDIT: American Military Casualties in Iraq
Date Total In Combat
American Death
Since war began (3/19/03): 2503 2019
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 2038 1713
Since Handover (6/29/04): 1637 1387
Since Election (1/31/05): 1067 902
American Wounded Official Estimated
Total Wounded: 18490 20000 - 48100
Latest Fatality June 16th, 2006
Vietnam over 58,800 casualties. Vietnam was a country being Invaded by the Communist Government that took power therein the North, unlike the democratic govt of the South. We know why we are in IRAQ. We have a mission militarily to be there. What do you want the United Nations to take over militarily. I seriously hope not. The conflicts in the Middle-East that you are worried about, is only a part of the current world events. We can't just pull out, and we will not pull out until the mission is safe to stand down. Oh and one more thing . We Will Win. Period.
War is about more than numbers. It's about winning hearts and minds. Remember that.
As too Alpinestar....you serious? I was being sarcastic because what you said was plain ignorant. We do let certain countries have these types of weapons. Others we don't want them to have them because we can almost gaurentee how they will be used....for starting wars and using them to gain political power in the region. We gave Saddam WMDs for defense purposes....he turned and used them for war with out mercy and more or less to just test them out. Was a VERY large mistake on our part bringing him into power. But Iran is also making threats to destroy Israel and such then we really dont want him having nukes if hes already threating such things. North Korea is a problem tho. We let them get too strong but then again were not worried too much about them giving nuke matierial to terrorists either. The middle east we are because of mass corruption with in governments and fundamentalism and hatred of the west over there. Make more senese now?
I got an idea..while were at it lets just attack Britian, France, Germany, Canada, Russia...you know the allies whom have all vowed to never use these weapons unless WMD's were used on them first. Good enough for you? These other countries have no such respect for life and to use them with brute force is uncalled for. All these countries have vowed to use them strictly as a deterant for threatening such acts on their countries. I mean hell even Pakistan and India have them and are currently at war with each other....don't see them dropping nukes on each other. They are there more for a deterant of using such a weapon.alpinestar wrote:
Example for 10 points please...(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
What a smart one you are, with your communication and Intelligent Quotient.Alexanderthegrape wrote:
You bring so much class with you.
The US and Russia have had nuclear Resolutions for over 15 years.
Once again, the whacked out left has reared its stupid head, and again without looking or knowing what the puck is really happening in the world.
Yeah its all politics though. And unfortunately 90% of the US doesn't know the facts because they are too lazy to look them up. Same BS on the Hurricane Katrina deal. Everyone blamed Bush because the Mayor was too pucken stupid to call for help. Then the Governor thought it would cost them money to activate the national gaurd. But Federal Aid CAN NOT be offered until a State of Emergency order has been issued. But it was just easier to blame Bush and call him racist. People think this war is going bad when in fact the insurgents are really low on morale. We killed their leader, kill their friends, and to them we seem to have an endless supply of goodies. Once there morale finally breaks and the Iraqi Police force gets up to full strength the terrorists will give up.
The only hope they have at winning the war against us is for serious political unrest.....or for the US to get involved in another war. Then again we could always institute another draft should the man power be severely needed. But for once i just want people to look at the facts of this war compared to others. Considering population size of the country, how long this war has been fought, and what is all happening...we definately have the upper hand. Its not a vietnam...and FYI Vietnam was won after the Tet offensive but political unrest was so high that we had to pull out. It would have taken the VC another 10 years to get the resources and man power to launch such an offensive again.
Also the initial war on Iraq had very little to do with terror and almost all on the breaking of UN sanctions. If this doesn't ring a bell then maybe you should look it up. Even thought the Weapons of Mass Destruction weren't found they still have other weapons that were illegal. Medium Ranged missiles, Scuds, Unmanned drones that had longer flying capabilities than allowed. These are just to name a few. And if not that then humanitarian reasons. He was commiting Genocide on the Kurds more or less which isnt that a reason we went into Bosnia/Kosovo as well. Don't be so small minded on reasons for war. People are ok with some but fail to see the same reason for the war in another and call it unjust. Blind Eye more or less is what i see most people have.
The only hope they have at winning the war against us is for serious political unrest.....or for the US to get involved in another war. Then again we could always institute another draft should the man power be severely needed. But for once i just want people to look at the facts of this war compared to others. Considering population size of the country, how long this war has been fought, and what is all happening...we definately have the upper hand. Its not a vietnam...and FYI Vietnam was won after the Tet offensive but political unrest was so high that we had to pull out. It would have taken the VC another 10 years to get the resources and man power to launch such an offensive again.
Also the initial war on Iraq had very little to do with terror and almost all on the breaking of UN sanctions. If this doesn't ring a bell then maybe you should look it up. Even thought the Weapons of Mass Destruction weren't found they still have other weapons that were illegal. Medium Ranged missiles, Scuds, Unmanned drones that had longer flying capabilities than allowed. These are just to name a few. And if not that then humanitarian reasons. He was commiting Genocide on the Kurds more or less which isnt that a reason we went into Bosnia/Kosovo as well. Don't be so small minded on reasons for war. People are ok with some but fail to see the same reason for the war in another and call it unjust. Blind Eye more or less is what i see most people have.
This is true but canada has seen war on its soil before it was just in the 1700's and im sure a few other minor conflicts. Our geographic location does make it relatively hard for a foreign nation to attack Canada or the US. Alaska is our most vulnerable state and if it fell well...you still gotta get around Canada before you reach the main. But I am definately grateful that my nation gets to read about it instead of experience it first hand.
I agree with this 100%. We need to stop being humanitarian and go back to the concept of war....which i feel we have lost.marinebio wrote:
Well it would seem you people need a lesson in dealing with fanatics: i.e. You behead one of our troops on the ever present aljazera(sp)? then we round up ten of the terrorist faction and cut there're balls off then behead them and so on. Catch one pedophile, cement his cock in a bucket of cement, give him a rusty old knife and throw him in the ocean. Corporal punishment has become to pleasant, if you die from a lethal injection who feels the pain?? but if some idiot pedophile Rapes, sodomizes then dismembers a young child and their whole family suffers. I think these tactics are a better deterant than riding our troops around in a humvee looking for IED's and trying to disarm them. I hope you get my point. We need to be harsh with these poeple they only seem to understand hatred and death in a gruesom manner.
IT is a great concept and would be amazing if it worked. But like many have said...it has never fully worked, never been 100% communist country, and greed is a our downfall. But should it ever work fully then i would be impressed.
Wooo hooo. People who know something about the military for once. I am impressed and thanks for correcting the few who didnt know what the 5 star generals purpose and how he comes to be is. But even during a time of war now i honestly don't see the US making a 5star untill a MAJOR conflict occurs. When we fight North Korea i can see one come to be then.
I hate to break it to people but these tactics are actually very effective. No tolerance should be our way of dealing with this. When the civilians lives are threatened they almost always turn in the one person instead of letting them all be left in ruins. Who are you really gonna be more afraid of...the terrorists, or uncle sams onslaught. I think i know what side i would choose. We can't always be humanitarian, sometimes extreme tactics are required to quell resistance. Then again i cant also say that the view for life in germany is different than that in the middle eastern fanatics. So it might not work.
But we do need to be harsher on the insurgent tolerance. It may sound horrible but striking fear into the civilians tolerating it and letting them know we will have harsher consequences than the insurgents will have if you tell is a nice incentive to stop the insurgents. Its war people...there is nothing humane about it. People die regardless of how it is fought. That is just a given.
But we do need to be harsher on the insurgent tolerance. It may sound horrible but striking fear into the civilians tolerating it and letting them know we will have harsher consequences than the insurgents will have if you tell is a nice incentive to stop the insurgents. Its war people...there is nothing humane about it. People die regardless of how it is fought. That is just a given.
Lol well seems most people like the idea except a select few.tgust5 wrote:
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Naa cause they changed the missiled to not target friendlies anymore. But in earlier patches yeah it would have sucked. TK's around the board.
The defense part is because the man was breaking UN santions. He harbored terrorist leaders, started programs to get long range missiles, had unmanned drones that could fly way past the limitations we had set for them,was searching for any chance he could to get WMD and actually had donations to terrorist orginizations. He was not an immediate threat to us other than the fact he was helping terrorists. And at the time all this started 90% of this country in polls were for the war. Politics get involved and then its a complete 180. No matter what the government decides a soldier has to obey. We dont get the pleasure of being able to openly speak out in front of the masses unless we want a court martial. Iran im not too concerned about right now either. North Korea on the other hand is a threat and will probably have missiles capable of hitting our east coast with nukes in 2-3 more years. They already send volunteers on ropes acrosse the DMZ to see how far they get before they are shot. Then they just pull the rope back with the body on it. Atleast you agree on the whole concept of total freedom being impossible and still maintain law and order.
This war has never been about defending freedom it has been about our safety and to bring your freedoms into it makes no sense. Our primary cause was to eliminate a threat to the safety of our nation/allies and their citizens. And on another note.....there is no such thing as complete freedom as someone once said. There is only partial...complete freedom would mean anarchy, no laws, and complete chaos. In order to gain protection from such chaos a few freedoms may have to be given up to be gaurenteed such protection. I challenge any liberal/conservative to call me wrong on this. Give me a reason why but in reality this is the truth.Ikarti wrote:
Good one. Tell me how it's "defending my freedom." So dramatic.Alexanderthegrape wrote:
You only don't see that it does because your a sniveling shithead who can't look past their own front door.Ikarti wrote:
Killing Iraqis does nothing for my freedom. Sorry.
Come on, you want to talk shit, back it up. Prove to me how killing a member of the Republican Guard, an insurgent, or unarmed civilians affects MY freedom. Or how capturing Saddam does. I'll tell you this, there's a lot of money being wasted over there killing iraqis that can be put to good use here.
Then we got the whole NSA spying...very free.
You know im not sure why someone would give me -karma here is his little quote: watch a friend get shot ... why was your friend there in the first place. If you believe it was protecting your home land then you're a fool.
To this i say: Because if we werent over there right now then i can gaurentee you that the targets would be focused on home soil rather than at military personnel who have a chance to fight back in attacks. These fanatics do not care who they kill from the west...if it was a child, women, man they all want the westerners dead. Keeping their organization disrupted and focused on us does keep the homeland safer. Sure attacks could still happen here but why waste all that money and resources for that kind of attack when you can easily kill "Infidels" as we are all called with a simple car ride to a neighboring country. So yes in a sense we are keeping it safer. On a 2nd note how can you be so heartless to not care about soldiers, peoples friends, family getting shot and killed. You have no heart whoever sent this and as such you should do some soul searching of your own and maybe start caring about other people than your own self. Show some respect at the very least. You may not agree with it....but still show some respect. You have no idea what we go through...and ive had it easy compared to some of my friends. Im sure Gunslinger can probably vouch for what the army personnel go through more so than i can.
To this i say: Because if we werent over there right now then i can gaurentee you that the targets would be focused on home soil rather than at military personnel who have a chance to fight back in attacks. These fanatics do not care who they kill from the west...if it was a child, women, man they all want the westerners dead. Keeping their organization disrupted and focused on us does keep the homeland safer. Sure attacks could still happen here but why waste all that money and resources for that kind of attack when you can easily kill "Infidels" as we are all called with a simple car ride to a neighboring country. So yes in a sense we are keeping it safer. On a 2nd note how can you be so heartless to not care about soldiers, peoples friends, family getting shot and killed. You have no heart whoever sent this and as such you should do some soul searching of your own and maybe start caring about other people than your own self. Show some respect at the very least. You may not agree with it....but still show some respect. You have no idea what we go through...and ive had it easy compared to some of my friends. Im sure Gunslinger can probably vouch for what the army personnel go through more so than i can.
Like i said there goes the whole media promoting their agenda's. I have several friends from army and marines who have come across his biological and chemical labs. The man had those WMD's and i have also seen a few of the artillery shells specifically made to hold these kinds of weapons. There are many units that have toured in Iraq who can vouch for such findings. And if we had of left the man unchecked much longer then her would probably be able to now as of this date have the rocket technology and delivery capability to hit the US. I guess ignorance is a good thing for some people to have. And yeah its a dangerouse job for firefighters too.....but they dont have someone shooting fully auto 7.62x9mm round ammo at them while your trying to help wounded civilians and maybe even have to combat a fire ourselves. There is a difference there.
Oh and as for this "blood for oil" deal as your seeing it is BS. All the Iraqi pipelines are in controll of the Iraqi Government. We dont set the prices or how much of it we get. Its up to their companies and government not us. It been this way since atleast 2004 if you would do some research.
Oh and as for this "blood for oil" deal as your seeing it is BS. All the Iraqi pipelines are in controll of the Iraqi Government. We dont set the prices or how much of it we get. Its up to their companies and government not us. It been this way since atleast 2004 if you would do some research.
Then you are pretty close minded. We don't just fight for your freedoms. We fight so that you, your family and friends can be safe and out of harms way. And Ikarti it is your typical attitude that us soldiers despise. You have no idea of what goes on in combat much less all the reasons we are there. That man was breaking UN sanctions on weapons, massacring his own people, spending all his money on crap other than for his people. He gave aid to foreign terrorists and helped them to gain power. Now here is where the safety part comes in because if you have any idea what VX nerve gas or even a biological weapon release as a small amount can do to a population you might think differently. VX nerve gases fatal dose is at 250 microns. A drop from a tear dropper is 500 microns. Just takes that much of it to kill several people. Released in a major city it could kill 100's of thousands of people. And trust me soldier's see alot more than the media ever shows. Media promotes their agenda and their political views. Us as soldier's seem to be nothing more than stories to them.Ikarti wrote:
Killing Iraqis does nothing for my freedom. Sorry.
And for you to be thinking that we are killing nothing but Iraqi's is absurd. Most of the terrorists over there are fighting a "Holy War" and are from countries other than Iraq. So its not just the Iraqi's getting killed. Most of their casualties have come from suicide bombings of the terrorists. So if you dont know what it is like to be shot at, watch a friend get shot, and hear about or watch your buddies die. Then shut up. We don't enjoy killing by any means but it is either us or them. And most of us choose them. Id like to see what kind of respect you have when you see 16 polished caskets go by you. Its a silence of heartache and respect that is impossible to ever experience somewhere else.
Well your right it doesnt mean they can't but you still need all the training to know how to do it. I was just laughing at the guy saying his Master Staff Sergeant Uncle was the pilot of the plane. I cant stop laughing at it.
LOL so true no wonder europeans dont know a (*&$%&(* thing about this war.
My uncle was the pilot Master Staff Sergeant Jimmy k. Falwells, .The jets were doin survilance then got orders to bomb him after they knew where he was.2 planes were present, 2bombs by same plane.
Ok i find this funny. Some guy just gave my negative karma for getting number on bombs used mixed up. But uh they didnt sign at the end with their name. SO whoever it was that left this little message...which one is he a Staff or a Master Srgt. Because you cant be both at once so he is either a E-5 or an E-7. OH and this i find hilarious....ENLISTED MEN CANNOT BE PILOTS. Why would you even try to say they are. I mean hell you have to be an OFFICER to be able to fly the F-16. So if you are out there please let me know where you came up with this BS story about your uncle.
Ok i find this funny. Some guy just gave my negative karma for getting number on bombs used mixed up. But uh they didnt sign at the end with their name. SO whoever it was that left this little message...which one is he a Staff or a Master Srgt. Because you cant be both at once so he is either a E-5 or an E-7. OH and this i find hilarious....ENLISTED MEN CANNOT BE PILOTS. Why would you even try to say they are. I mean hell you have to be an OFFICER to be able to fly the F-16. So if you are out there please let me know where you came up with this BS story about your uncle.
LOL I find this post so funny right now. US MARINES were NOT even PRESENT. In the video i got to see it showed the Iraqi forces closing in after the bomb hit. Then it was the army who came in to ID the body. And yeah a 500lb bomb can burst your internal organs from its concussion causing internal bleeding. And no there was only ONE 500lb JDAM that hit his building...there were 2 jets present tho.
Before religion even came to be there were wars. Nature has instilled a gene in every single organism to fight for survival. So often these conflicts are over land and natural resources and not so much Religion. I dont recall WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War 1 & 2, 100 year war between france and britian, wars between spain and britain, Saxon invasion. Greek and Roman wars....hmmm funny all these seem to have occured from greed and well the original causes had nothing to do with religion. The Crusades were yes but this is one of the few fought not because of religion....but over religous LANDS. And again the words were manipulated by the literate and well literacy= power.
It wasnt a MK82. Was a 500 LB JDAM munitions that is GPS guided into its target. More or less a dummy bomb become smart. How many of these i have loaded in my life......oh say about 50+beerface702 wrote:
Finally this PYscho is history.
now look kids this is what a mk82 bomb (BF2 jet bomb) will do to you
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sorry i cant find a link to the video of the bombs hitting. but im sure everyone has seen it already
Time to celebrate