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CameronPoe wrote:

I'd like to thank all Liberal Commy Tree-huggers for turning up on the day, on time, and giving it your all. In pre-match Lowing was scarily hard to kill but as soon as festivities commenced: lowing got lwned innumerable times it would seem! BF2 matches are much better when it involves people you have banter with on a regular basis. We must do this again sometime. Next time we'll beat the Neo-cons even more convincingly than we did this time. :-p

mafia996630 wrote:

Yes iam sure everyone has heard this story, and those who haven't (http://www.itv.com/news/world_5cbae3408 … e48d0.html). This is what he said:

"He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached'."

Discuss.

I think it was a very bad idea saying this after the whole cartoon thing, and in general, remarks about such a sensitive subject should have been left for another day. And the whole intended thing is bullshit, how can you say for example "i hate all black people", and then say "i intended to say, i hate all black people who commit crimes" (i know it was not that direct but still).

On a side note, just want to say good luck to cpt.fass1. Peace man.

Marconius wrote:

You know...all the Liberals were on time, and a lot of the Cons were late, so we were already done playing by the end of Songhua.

Kind of funny, even with all the warmongering spouted and held by the right-wingers/neo cons, you'd think they'd have actually made an effort to get all of their information correct and join a proper war...

superfly_cox wrote:

absolutely no order in these battles.  forget 20 vs. 20.  I say each side choose their best 8 warriors and fight it out on a 16 player map.

P.S. Shame on you Cameron Poe for leaving your own tournament before it was finished.

Spearhead wrote:

I got tired of getting anti-tank rocket sniped after the 10th or 11th time, but it was fun for the most part.

Bubbalo wrote:

As do I.

Dildohead is my new name for bananahead.  He uses the word gay so much I figure he must be in the closet.

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Horay for us commie-hippie-treehugging-terroristsimpithizing-unpatriotic-americabashing-sectular librals!!

I am sorry faicist-redneck-gasguzzeling-zionist-jingoistic-flagwaving-biblethumping conservitives; better luck next time.

Huh?, this is what happend with even teams. (Actually we were down one).
http://www.oe-hq.com/2/eventeams.jpg
http://www.oe-hq.com/2/eventeams.jpg
I challenge a lib to post a SS of them winning down a player.
Like I said I dont think the point was to win or lose but just to get togther and shoot each other. I'd like a rematch, we can use a euro server but lets throw some flying maps in next go around.

Why don't you post the other pictures?  In that one I couldn't be commander because of connection problems so I joined later.  You won 86-0 I think, next round we won 216-0.  And won first Shongua 123-0 I think.  the a lot of people from libs left.

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I'd like a rematch, we can use a euro server but lets throw some flying maps in next go around.

I would like a rematch because I didn't even get in the first one. Maybe if I was in my comrades the communsit team would have won. I think next time we should try to get 64 guys on, and like make this a mounthly event.

And BTW, an idea for rotation: Cons are on US (because they are jingoists) and Libs on China/MEC (because we are commies): Shraqi - Shongua - Jalalabad - Daqing - Oman - Dalian - Kubra -  Karkand - Dragon (one round per map)

Sounds good?

rplate wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

rplate wrote:

Where were you playing?  We won Mashtur second battle 215-0.

I was there. Everyone said not live then about four of you joined the con team and started tking. Where were you?

How come our only victory was first Shongua, if we won second Mashtur 215-0.  Mashtur was a lib victory 215-86 and you won Shongua 183-124 with 4 more people in second game.  So, I think libs won the battle.

rplate wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/s … r_ROTJ.jpg

What? We won every single round except one. I went 14-0 on you libs. BTW Cameron poe is horrible at bf2.

You didn't.
First 4 matches we won.  We won with even teams of 8 persons each 2 times Mashtur and 2 times Shongua.
Then we restarted when more people came and was like:
1-Mashtur first battle con 83-0 second lib 215-0, we won Mashtur.
2-Shongua first battle lib 124-0 second con 183-0, con won Shongua, but at this time you were 13 and we 6.
3-Sharqi doesn't count we were 3 libs.
What did happen with our team mates?
As always neo-cons needed some help to win, what does this seem like?

rplate wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

Game one Cons won. Game two libs switched teams and tked for about 15 min while arguing over whether it was live or not after they brought in six extra guys. Libs won their one and only round on first round of Song. Cons take their second win on Songua easily. Cons won both rounds on sharqi.

GG libs better luck next time. And I hope you like the tea bagging I gave you bubalo.

Where were you playing?  We won Mashtur second battle 215-0.

Spearhead wrote:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/s … r_ROTJ.jpg

Bubbalo wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

Well if you have an M16 vs a PKM or G36E the odds are against you. I never use unlocks because they are pretty gay. To be fair to everyone it should be unranked and no unlocks the way it is in ever competition out there.

And I consider people who use the word gay in that manner to be poopyheads.  Go away poopyhead.

Bubbalo wrote:

Meh, the kit weapons aren't really worse than the unlocks.

CosmoKramer wrote:

i was playing today, and i was in the lead by about 50 pts.  Almost the whole other team was TWG clan members.  I was playing, and they kicked me for teamkilling, even though i was playing a clean game.  After being kicked for one minute, i entered back into the game.  I asked them in the game why i was kicked before, and then it displayed on the top of the screen that they were BANNING me for teamkilling, again not true. 

Get in that clan server and give them their deserved shit, compliments of ArthurVandelay.

appreciate it,
Cosmo

CameronPoe wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Wow there is like no flaming at all on this topic, which is rare for everyone who is on it...

The beauty of this thread is that we can all make fun of each other using stereotyping and no-one can really get offended due to the light-heartedness of the whole thing. In Ireland, slagging each other off is actually a form of bonding: you can't slag someone off unless they're comfortable with it - as such it's a form of bonding. Weird Irish culture...

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

Using technology and hiding behind women and children is a very very different thing. What do you want Israel to do? Not use their jets because its unsportsman like? If hezbollah dosent want to fight then why did they start this conflict?

You don't think Hezbollah would use technology if that had it?  Unlike Israel, they don't have U.S sponsored Blackhawks, Jets and Tanks.  They don't have the biggest economy in the World bank rolling their activities or supplying them with weapons. 

With this in mind, only the most retarded Hezbollah leader would try and match Israel pound for pound, because they would lose!!!!!  Would you enter a fight you couldn't win?  Come on man, wake up and smell the coffee! 

IF (and it's staying at 'if' untill I have seen enough evidence although I do conceed it is likely) Hezbollah are placing their launchers in residential areas, I would say it was because they wouldn't expect the Israelies to dare fire at them because of their positions rather than hoping they are fired on for some kind of PR conspiracy.  It doesn't make sense, I mean......

Hez' leader - "let's place our rocket launchers, which are limited in numbers, here so they get blown up, reducing our aresnal, but getting the already tainted Israelies in the media's bad books" [/sarcasm]

....it would be a lot more hassle than its worth.

BlaZin'Feenix wrote:

They didn't start it. Israel invaded and after a couple of years they got sick of it and left but never gave back Lebanese territory and prisoners

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Well if you think bombing houseloads of women and children from a few thousand feet up is 'brave' then I guess we have a fundamental difference of opinion here.

Cameron your always wrong, but you wont accept that. No US soldier would hide behind his wife and child after firing missles into another country. These actions by Hezbollah just show you how little they care for the people of lebanon. Ive seen videos of Hezbollah firing missles then getting in a truck and running into an apartment complex. If they cant take being killed in open combat then they should lay down their arms and give back the kidnapped soldiers.

Can you not see his point?????  You are saying it is cowardly not to fight in open warefare and Cameron is making the point that the Israelies' military arsenal is also designed to ensure they can strike from a safe distance.  Flying a Jet over lebenon and dropping bombs from 1000s ft up in the air is hardly open warefare.

The funny thing is, if asked what you'd do to defend your country in spite of an organised military, you'd probably tell me how you take up arms and then have a pop at these guys for doing the same...

CameronPoe wrote:

Alexanderthegrape wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

My point is that so are the Israelis.

1+ for the stupiest thing you've ever posted.

Well if you think bombing houseloads of women and children from a few thousand feet up is 'brave' then I guess we have a fundamental difference of opinion here.

TeamZephyr wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

Shit all, but I guarantee that they've done less masscreing and invading than the Israelis have.

LOL. I would respond but keep this on topic. Iran has done nothing but cause problems.

Of course, I stated that in my above post. And I am keeping it on topic, its blatantly obvious you've created this thread in response to CameronPoe's "Israeli Kind Heartedness" thread so I think its pretty fair to create a comparison between the two nations.

Iran: 1 conflict to my knowledge, that was the Iran-Iraq war.
Israel: Created to the distaste of the people living in the Palestine Area, evicted over a million Palestinians to refugee camps, occupied parts of Egypt, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria, killed arabs. Encouraged islamic terrorism.

And neither are any of these nations under a obligation to do ANYTHING for their neighbours, the only reason Israel does it because it likes to piss off these neighbours.

And don't forget, if it wasnt for the actions of America and Britain, Iran would probably be a democracy today not a theocratic dictatorship

TeamZephyr wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

What has Iran done for its neighbors.

Shit all, but I guarantee that they've done less masscreing and invading than the Israelis have.

Kmarion wrote:

UN says Israel warned many times before fatal attack
U.N. Secretary-General
Kofi Annan initially referred to Tuesday's deadly Israeli strike as the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the Khiam U.N. observer post.

But he softened his stance after talking with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who said he believed it was a mistake and would order an investigation.

"We await the end of the investigations, and I am grateful for the prime minister for what he has said, and we accept his words," Annan said in Rome, where he was attending a conference on the conflict between Israel and Hizbollah.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

Israel was attacked by its arab neighbors and thats the land that they conquered. Tough luck to those that attacked Israel. Thats a part of war. The jews never tried to blow themselves up on buses in Germany. They were killed in a genocide.

The soldier was a millitary target? Excuse me but was a war going on? No. Because of that there now is a war going on and you can thank hezbollah for that.

Humans right atrocities? Im sorry if I fail to see the equality of blowing yourself on a bus knowingly killing men, women, and chidlren and the use of lasar guided missles directed at millitary targets. Yes there have been some mistakes but the two things are uncomparable. The palestinians have more rights in Israel than they do in certain arab countries. Of course there will be road blocks and walls constructed though. Do you want to allow terrorists to flow freely into Israel?
The bottom line is that you cant change history.  Both sides have made mistakes and I admit that openly but the difference is that Israel is attempting to create peace. The muslim world dosent want that peace. They refuse to allow Israel to exist. Look at Iran and Syria for example.

Jerusalem was not Arab occupied.  It was supposed to be under international control.  Israel controls it now, and official state policy is that it is theirs; they will never give it back.

LGM missiles are used, as are dumb bombs.  Please do not dismiss carpet bombing of civilian centers and precision guided munitions attacking military targets, because its not the same.

Israel is attempting to create peace?  Really?  Bombing a place to oblivion creates peace, wow, where have I been the last 25 years of my life?

Bananahands, like I posted before, read up on this conflict before dismissing it for what your uninformed mind thinks it is.  It is obvious you have no knowledge on the subject based on what you post.  Stop posting rhetoric and post real information.  If and when you post real arguments for your reasoning, I will start addressing them.

CameronPoe wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

We are the fucking morons? You still havent answered about the IEDs. You dance around questions and try and change the subject. You are an angry little kid who thinks he understands the world because he has read some books about it. Get real. There is no justification or reason to understand a suicide bomber who walks onto a bus and kills women and children. What does that accomplish? He wont be there to see the pain on the and havoc he has brought upon the families and he wont be there in the future to see if peace will or will not come. Suicide bombs are the pussies way out. What you dont seem to realize is how small Israel is and how much blood shed has come because of it. This is the only land the Israelis have to call home. Six million of them were killed in the holocaust not to mention the jews killed before that. They have been persecuted since the start of their religion. Yes some palestinians were displaced but Israel has made efforts to create a seperate state. They gave back Gaza just last year only to be rewarded by rockets being fired upon them from Gaza itself and to have their 18 year old soldier kidnapped. If you dont see something wrong with that then there is something wrong with you.

What exactly is your point with the IEDs? Ask me the whole question again and I'll respond.

An angry little 27 year old kid who has been to Palestine AND Israel AND read books AND watched documentaries AND has a first class honours degree in Engineering AND follows current affairs like a hawk. What do you do? Dream it all up in your head? Nice.

I completely disagree with you that there is no reason to try and understand why someone would carry out a suicide bombing. Completely disagree. Tell me why you think they do it. Also before you answer that take a moment to imagine what it would be like if you had been born in Jenin. THen answer the question.
I know full well this is the only land Israel have got - I'm not suggesting they withdraw from 1948 Israel. I can tell you when I was in Israel - they have it GOOD compared to the Palestinians - VERY GOOD. At whose expense was this wonderful land: the Palestinians. I would find it hard not to feel compassion for those people at whose expense your country exists. After having suffered the atrocities of the holocaust Israel has gone on to commit atrocities and human rights violations every bit as bad as those that the Palestinians have committed. Not to mention the fact that the land of Israel necessitates driving millions of arabs from their homes. Does that mean absolutely nothing to you? Jews were paid reparations by Germany for WWII. What did the Palestinians get? Oppression, further encroachment and being treated like an untermensch. I guess they know how the jews felt in the early days of the nazi empire now.

The position of the Israeli government has been that the West Bank will not be given back in it's entirety - ARiel, EasT Jerusalem, Maale Adumim and other significant settlements will stay. On that basis I can understand why the Gazans continued to fight. It isn't two countries - Gaza and West Bank - it's a combined state of Palestine they want. And the Israeli soldier? Well he is a military target so you have to expect these things in times of war although I don't condone the rocketing of places like Sderot and Ashkelon (civilian centers).

CameronPoe wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

You're just another example of the problem. Understanding of the grievances of those driven to such acts. Do you know why Irishmen and women all throughout history rebelled against the brits at every opportunity? Do you know why an IRA man would go out and risk his life to drive a digger loaded with explosives into a police barracks? Do you understand why a Palestinian who knows only suffering would choose to shoot people or to blow himself up when he knows the goddamn consequences? Please inform yourselves before making snap judgements based on nothing at all whatsoever. Fucking hell it really sickens me how people can be so ignorant. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN THROUGH SINCE 1947? Everything Israel has today has been at their expense. Wise the fuck up. ARmchair idiots. I've been to the West Bank and I can tell you it ain't fucking pretty. Walk a mile west and your in opulent surroundings, grand hotels and fancy shops. Some people's lack of understanding makes me sick.

No you are the problem. You sicken me by trying to justify the killing of innocent people by someone with a bomb strapped onto themselves. Nothing can justify that.

It's hard to justify but it's possible to understand why. Read my fucking words man. This is about understanding not justification. I've just about had it with you fucking morons.

CameronPoe wrote:

GATOR591957 wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Wow, you are like the dumbest and most ill-informed person I have ever seen.

When you see terrorism, ask yourself "Why"?  Why would people walk into a bus station with bombs strapped to thier bodies and kill themselves.  Why?  Because they are desperate.  Go to Palestine, or watch an un-biased film over the living conditions in Palestine and then come back and see us.

Jealousy, hatred, religious fanaticism, ignorance, blind faith, shall I go on?

You're just another example of the problem. Understanding of the grievances of those driven to such acts. Do you know why Irishmen and women all throughout history rebelled against the brits at every opportunity? Do you know why an IRA man would go out and risk his life to drive a digger loaded with explosives into a police barracks? Do you understand why a Palestinian who knows only suffering would choose to shoot people or to blow himself up when he knows the goddamn consequences? Please inform yourselves before making snap judgements based on nothing at all whatsoever. Fucking hell it really sickens me how people can be so ignorant. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN THROUGH SINCE 1947? Everything Israel has today has been at their expense. Wise the fuck up. ARmchair idiots. I've been to the West Bank and I can tell you it ain't fucking pretty. Walk a mile west and your in opulent surroundings, grand hotels and fancy shops. Some people's lack of understanding makes me sick.

CameronPoe wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Oh yeah - aerial bombardment gets rid of IEDs. I forgot about that one. I didn't say that the reason they should go in on the ground is because Hezbollah offer little in the way of resistance - the point I was making was that it's the most direct route to punishing those responsible. Let's not forget why these actions were taken by Israel in the beginning - to get their kidnapped troops back. Well have they been returned? Maybe they've been bombed by Israel? Maybe they're in Syria? Who knows. Perhaps Israel may never see them again.

The Brits suffered many civilian atrocities during the 70s, 80s and 90s at the hands of various IRA factions. Did the Brits respond by bombing Dundalk, Drogheda or Dublin in the Republic? The answer is no. Is there relative peace in Northern Ireland now? The answer is yes.

Lol you just cant admit when your wrong. If Israel went in on a full force invasion many of their troops would be killed by IEDs. The bombing is a safer way to get their target without wasting Israeli troops in the process. As for Ireland and Britian that is a completley different story. You didnt have Irish people wanting a jihad on the british. You didnt have people walking into a bus blowing themselves up with their victims. The Palestinians and other Arabs refuse to allow Israel to live peacefully.

Newsflash: you would have to go in by land at some stage anyway (which you are currently doing so your IED bullshit is exactly that, bullshit (because planes and missiles aren't exactly designed to eliminate IEDs LOL!!!). Israel are currently engaged in exactly what I said they should have been engaged in at the beginning - ground combat - and guess what? Israeli soldiers are dying. Newsflash No.2: Nobody ever said war was going to be easy. You have to expect soldiers to die when they go into a dangerous combat zone.

CameronPoe wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Losing? You haven't exactly offered any uncounterable arguments to the orginal posting. My opinion is steadfast and my points remain valid. If you make a rational point then I'll concede the point and agree. You just haven't made any strong enough points for me so far.

You havent answered anything. You said that Israel should have invaded on land because "Hezbollah isnt a threat on the ground".

I then said " I guess you havent heard of a little thing called IEDs". You have yet to respond to that.

Oh yeah - aerial bombardment gets rid of IEDs. I forgot about that one. I didn't say that the reason they should go in on the ground is because Hezbollah offer little in the way of resistance - the point I was making was that it's the most direct route to punishing those responsible. Let's not forget why these actions were taken by Israel in the beginning - to get their kidnapped troops back. Well have they been returned? Maybe they've been bombed by Israel? Maybe they're in Syria? Who knows. Perhaps Israel may never see them again.

The Brits suffered many civilian atrocities during the 70s, 80s and 90s at the hands of various IRA factions. Did the Brits respond by bombing Dundalk, Drogheda or Dublin in the Republic? The answer is no. Is there relative peace in Northern Ireland now? The answer is yes.

CameronPoe wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

spastic bullet wrote:

http://transit-safety.volpe.dot.gov/pub … 125_69.jpg

Its a good thing for Cameron because he was losing

Losing? You haven't exactly offered any uncounterable arguments to the orginal posting. My opinion is steadfast and my points remain valid. If you make a rational point then I'll concede the point and agree. You just haven't made any strong enough points for me so far.