Yes. Im sure Rush Limbaugh would like his post.AussieReaper wrote:
Does anyone else feel sickened by this remark\way of thinking?lowing wrote:
We will continue to believe that healthcare is a privilege and not a right.
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WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama is signaling that he's open to compromise on overhauling the nation's health care system. Obama told participants at the end of a health summit that although he offered a plan during last year's campaign, he isn't wedded to that proposal. He told Republicans and Democrats, doctors and insurers — "I just want to figure out what works."
The president said there are some elements that all sides can agree on, such as electronic health records that will save lives and money. Other issues — such as his $634 billion down payment for expanded coverage — are certain to create deep divisions.
He said: "We have to keep an open mind."
Obama invited more than 120 people who hold a wide range of views on how to fix the system.
Obama entered the room with Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, who is battling a brain tumor. After brief remarks summarizing the participants' observations, Obama called on Kennedy. The veteran Democratic senator said he looked forward to being a foot soldier in the push for health care reform and said: "this time we will not fail."
The big Washington session — Obama called it a health care summit — and meetings to follow around the country show the new president's push for universal health care coverage will be more open and inclusive than the Clinton administration's failed attempt of 15 years ago.
"In this effort, every voice has to be heard. Every idea must be considered. ... There should be no sacred cows," Obama said as he opened his White House forum on what he calls the greatest threat to the U.S. economy — rising health care costs. Mindful that opponents derailed the Clinton plan, Obama also issued a warning: "Those who seek to block any reform at all, any reform at any cost, will not prevail this time around."
The U.S. system is the world's costliest; the country spends some $2.4 trillion a year on health care. It leaves an estimated 48 million people uninsured, and many others lack adequate insurance.
Although he wants coverage for all, the president suggested a willingness to compromise. That, too, was a break from former President Bill Clinton's posture in the 1990s when he promised to veto any health care measure that didn't give him what he sought.
This time, Obama said, "Each of us must accept that none of us will get everything we want, and no proposal for reform will be perfect." And, he said, "While everyone has a right to take part in this discussion, no one has the right to take it over."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29524754/
The president said there are some elements that all sides can agree on, such as electronic health records that will save lives and money. Other issues — such as his $634 billion down payment for expanded coverage — are certain to create deep divisions.
He said: "We have to keep an open mind."
Obama invited more than 120 people who hold a wide range of views on how to fix the system.
Obama entered the room with Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, who is battling a brain tumor. After brief remarks summarizing the participants' observations, Obama called on Kennedy. The veteran Democratic senator said he looked forward to being a foot soldier in the push for health care reform and said: "this time we will not fail."
The big Washington session — Obama called it a health care summit — and meetings to follow around the country show the new president's push for universal health care coverage will be more open and inclusive than the Clinton administration's failed attempt of 15 years ago.
"In this effort, every voice has to be heard. Every idea must be considered. ... There should be no sacred cows," Obama said as he opened his White House forum on what he calls the greatest threat to the U.S. economy — rising health care costs. Mindful that opponents derailed the Clinton plan, Obama also issued a warning: "Those who seek to block any reform at all, any reform at any cost, will not prevail this time around."
The U.S. system is the world's costliest; the country spends some $2.4 trillion a year on health care. It leaves an estimated 48 million people uninsured, and many others lack adequate insurance.
Although he wants coverage for all, the president suggested a willingness to compromise. That, too, was a break from former President Bill Clinton's posture in the 1990s when he promised to veto any health care measure that didn't give him what he sought.
This time, Obama said, "Each of us must accept that none of us will get everything we want, and no proposal for reform will be perfect." And, he said, "While everyone has a right to take part in this discussion, no one has the right to take it over."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29524754/
Baracks the man. He feels the same way I feel.Narupug wrote:
I like it, the missle shield was unneccessary and only caused strife to begin with. So if they could figure something out I would be all for it. Anything to stop a nuclear holocaust.
Its not a big deal. The only drug I use is Marijuana. But, hopefully soon Ill have a prescription for it. Then my insurance will cover it or Ill grow it. Most likely the latter.Macbeth wrote:
Well drugs prices are going to spike in the U.S. soon and there might be some serious infighting among drugs groups here to fight for control over higher priced drugs. You know since these drug groups are about to get wiped out by Mexican military.
Thats how you take care of business.ATG wrote:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/ … 68x313.jpgI applaud the effort and wish them the best.Armed to the hilt, they came from land and air, determined to restore order to Mexico's most violent city.
Nearly 2,000 Mexican soldiers and armed federal police poured into the border town of Ciudad Juarez last weekend.
The city - just across from El Paso in Texas - has been ravaged by drug gangs. Just this month 250 people were killed there by hitmen fighting for lucrative smuggling routes.
What this post doesnt mention is that the Sri Lanken cricket team said the Taliban played Cricket like girls.
It means exactly that.Superior Mind wrote:
Does this mean no more DEA harassment of vendors legal under California law?
1. The President cannot pull every troop out of Iraq if every military commander and intelligence official says it would be a disaster. But, he can get as close to it as intelligently possible.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Foxnew is reporting it, you decide: http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/ … ama_media/
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Remember the Barack Obama who proposed pulling our troops out of Iraq by the end of 2008? “The days of our open-ended commitment must come to a close,” he told the Senate, according to a Jan. 31, 2007, Washington Post article. Now, according to the Associated Press, the open-ended commitment has been replaced with “as many as 50,000 troops to remain behind to train Iraqi forces and protect U.S. interests.” Even anti-war lefties think he lied. They are right –- for once.
Remember that guy Obama who supported gun rights? He’s just a faint memory. A year ago, in an interview with Politico, Obama was reminded that supported gun ownership:
“You said recently, ‘I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.’ But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?”
Even then he hemmed and hawed, concluding:
“We can have a reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”
“Reasonable, thoughtful” are words unknown to Attorney General Eric Holder. Holder already has tried to link the Mexican narco-wars to U.S. gun sales and go after supposed “assault weapons.”
Obama’s record on government and the economy is actually worse. He and his surrogates keep maintaining that his budget won’t hurt the pockets of 95 percent of Americans who will get a tax cut.
They lie. The lead editorial in the Feb. 27 Wall Street Journal showed by just how much. Using 2006 tax records, The Wall Street Journal showed how a tax hike won’t begin to pay the 2010 budget of the $4 trillion. Even if the government were to confiscate (aka steal) every penny made by those who earn $250,000 and above, it would only meet one-third of the goal.
To pay for that whole $4 trillion budget, the government would have to pilfer “every taxable ‘dime’ of everyone earning more than $75,000.” That would just barely meet the goal, but those are 2006 numbers when the economy was good. In 2010, we’d need to go even lower.
A tax cut for 95 percent? Not hardly. The government will give money with one hand and take it back and loads more with the other –- lying to us the whole time.
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Democraps and Repugnicans are such tools.
2. The last time I checked, civilians do not need assault rifles.
3. You forgot to take into account every single other action that our President is putting into effect that will help with the 2010 budget in the long term. I cannot name specifics but I think we'll see some major technology breakthroughs in the coming years.
Turquoise wrote:
So, Australians might be too laid back for their own good when it comes to standing against government encroachment upon your rights.
The arguments against marijuana are very weak. The arguments are based on misinformation which shared with ignorance and denial makes up the basis of pro- illegal marijuana laws.Turquoise wrote:
.......The strongest arguments are generally based on things like social welfare.
People need to wake up and open their eyes to the real.
Lmao....Commie Killer wrote:
Meh, I thought I had made a great discovery here.Noobeater wrote:
Well yes, I thought that was quite obvious though.Commie Killer wrote:
President #44 (Obama) from President #43 (Bush).
Wouldn't it have been amazing if President Bush would have commuted their sentences on Christmas day.
Would of been trully inspirational I feel if President Bush would have called the Border Guards families personally to tell them he was giving them each a christmas present for their services to the country.
I'm very pleased he finally did it though. I remember when this happened and thinking "Why would you let two men who were serving this country be sent to jail like this?". I thought it was very sad when the men were sentenced.
This is good news.
Would of been trully inspirational I feel if President Bush would have called the Border Guards families personally to tell them he was giving them each a christmas present for their services to the country.
I'm very pleased he finally did it though. I remember when this happened and thinking "Why would you let two men who were serving this country be sent to jail like this?". I thought it was very sad when the men were sentenced.
This is good news.
Ok its settled then.Turquoise wrote:
I suppose cameras are a more understandable government measure than most, but I can't say I'm a fan of banning recreational substances.konfusion wrote:
Being a control freak in my personal life (or relatively to the European standard anyway), I find it easier to understand and/or sympathise with other control freaks (aka the government).Turquoise wrote:
Let's just say I'm a lot more individualistic than you.
This is pretty common though. In general, Americans are very individualistic while Europeans are more collectivist.
I just don't trust the government enough to give it so much reach, so to speak.
At least that's how I justify it. I would like the footage to be released for rape and murder cases though... The cameras are probably one of the main reasons that the London Underground is one of the safer ones in comparison to other large subway services (ie you don't necessarily have to worry about being mugged... unless you go at midnight... wearing a lot of jewelry... looking like a douchebag who's spending his dad's money)
-kon
Lets install more security cameras around the US and legalize marijuana.
Whats next on the agenda?
Lmao. Doing all they can to stay hidden in caves, and mountains only to come down with the Plague.
Forfeit US Wins.
Mu hahahahahaha
Forfeit US Wins.
Mu hahahahahaha
I know we all have a lot of mixed opinions about this topic and that is expected.
Its to everyones benefit to know the truth and the facts if a we are to gain whats best for everyone.
For those who havent spent time researching the subject I came across this video. Its the best video I've seen so far and I've seen more than most.
Its rather long but once you start watching its hard to stop.
http://blip.tv/file/1356143/
Its to everyones benefit to know the truth and the facts if a we are to gain whats best for everyone.
For those who havent spent time researching the subject I came across this video. Its the best video I've seen so far and I've seen more than most.
Its rather long but once you start watching its hard to stop.
http://blip.tv/file/1356143/
I know we all have a lot of mixed opinions about this topic and that is expected.
Its to everyones benefit to know the truth and the facts if a we are to gain whats best for everyone.
For those who havent spent time researching the subject I came across this video. Its the best video I've seen so far and I've seen more than most.
Its rather long but once you start watching its hard to stop.
http://blip.tv/file/1356143/
Its to everyones benefit to know the truth and the facts if a we are to gain whats best for everyone.
For those who havent spent time researching the subject I came across this video. Its the best video I've seen so far and I've seen more than most.
Its rather long but once you start watching its hard to stop.
http://blip.tv/file/1356143/
Very well said. Its nice to see someone with a well rounded view on things sharing in on this topic.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Lowing, I'm sorry that your experience of pot has been so bad - the young and those with a known mental illness should, in most cases, avoid it, but it really isn't that harmful for most people.
I'm afraid you have a distorted view of pot, probably for good reason, but please, don't make the mistake of thinking your beliefs about pot (or anything, really) are 'the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth' - being a finite being of finite experience you can not know the effects that pot has on every user, everywhere.
I don't think anyone here is claiming that pot is totally, 100% harmless, and if they are, they're idiots. It isn't. But it is far, far less harmful than is implied by the anti-marijuana-propaganda 'pot head' stereotype that you seem so keen to promote.
And as others have said, there are far far more harmful legally available drugs.
Well said. Marijuana should be decriminalized and or legal.Bertster7 wrote:
Why not? You must not have much idea of how harmless the other two are (ecstasy=MDMA).Dilbert_X wrote:
So cannabis is level with amphetamines for dependence, and ecstacy for physical harm.
Doesn't sound like the wonder safe addictionless drug everyone says it is.
Look at the graph properly. The only things less harmful than weed are Khat (ha), poppers (ha ha ha) and GHB. Those are nothing harmless drugs - which are available to buy, if you really want.
Also, that graph doesn't fit in with the stuff published by the BMA and by the governments drug advisory commitee (which ranked Alcohol as the second most dangerous drug, only just behind heroin).
Does anyone else think that there is a lot more going on then what meets the eye?
For some reason whenever I watch the news and see press footage of Madof coming and going hounded by the press I get the sense that the way this guy carries himself points to something much bigger. Like he knows something no one else knows and he is just taking the fall or doing his part for something else.
I don't know but for some reason I just get the idea something isn't right. The way he acts just doesn't fit with me. I mean, he is accused of being the mastermind behind a ponsi scheme that has cost investors over $50USD Billion. He seems to have no remorse, no sense of guilt, almost like he's taking the fall for something and he is walking around with his head high.
Anyone feel the same?
For some reason whenever I watch the news and see press footage of Madof coming and going hounded by the press I get the sense that the way this guy carries himself points to something much bigger. Like he knows something no one else knows and he is just taking the fall or doing his part for something else.
I don't know but for some reason I just get the idea something isn't right. The way he acts just doesn't fit with me. I mean, he is accused of being the mastermind behind a ponsi scheme that has cost investors over $50USD Billion. He seems to have no remorse, no sense of guilt, almost like he's taking the fall for something and he is walking around with his head high.
Anyone feel the same?
http://www.change.org/ideas?order=top#listSection
Marijuana has a 2000 vote lead on any other idea being voted on.
Did anyone else go vote yes on this topic from these forums? I'm just curious.
Marijuana has a 2000 vote lead on any other idea being voted on.
Did anyone else go vote yes on this topic from these forums? I'm just curious.
I have met some people in my lifes experiences and honestly all of the arabs I have met are people who I think very highly of. They are kind, sensitive, and warm to others. More so than any other race of people I have met.usmarine wrote:
the ME is a giant shithole except for a few countries. if it wasnt for oil they would be exactly like africa right now.
But,, I've never been to the middle east so I dunno. All I'm saying is that all the arabs I have met are really cool.
Dilbert,, you'll soon realize most people in this forum (like Mekstizzle) are ignorant and dont have the intelligence to comprehend this world with a perception that makes a lot of thingsclear the way you and I see it. It requires a lot of patience to deal with them.Dilbert_X wrote:
But they're calling for it to be wiped off the map because its a racist apartheid state.
See how the argument is circular?
Ok let me get this straight.TheAussieReaper wrote:
No it was when Israeli tanks started to kill the democratically elected govt.Kmarion wrote:
What gave it away? Was it when Hamas killed the opposition?TheAussieReaper wrote:
Guess the chance of a free election in Gaza are even slimmer now too.
The Palestinians voted for Hamas. Hams fires rockets into Israel. Israel retaliates. Now its Israels fault?
Fail Reeper.
You know, if a certain race of people significantly called for the destruction of, and to wipe my country off the face of the map, hell no I wouldnt let anyone from that race vote in my country. Ya democracy is good but letting arabs vote in Israel would be the beginning of the end. Ya its fucked up but I can see why they wouldnt.CameronPoe wrote:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054867.html
I really can't honestly believe this. 21% of the population of 'the only pluralist democracy' in the middle east barred from standing in 'democratic' elections on the basis of race. There's your fucking reality now Israel-apologists. Don't ever give the bullshit democracy line ever again.
Couldn't agree more. There's definitely lots of women I would probably throw money on if I had it, but I don't, and if I did, this chick wouldn't be one of them, and she sure is hell wouldn't be the one to get that much.D6717C wrote:
Seems like quite a waste of money to sleep with her, I mean she's going to be a dead lay don't you think?
And is it just me or is she slightly cross-eyed in the first pic?
Not that I wouldn't hit it for free....
x2Turquoise wrote:
If you realize how hypocritical the situation is, then why do you somewhat defend the ban?Dilbert_X wrote:
If they were invented today they would be illegal tomorrow, its that simple.Turquoise wrote:
Don't you find it odd then that tobacco and alcohol are legal while pot isn't? Both of them are listed as much more harmful and addictive than pot?
Give me a few and Ill round up some info.Dilbert_X wrote:
If they were invented today they would be illegal tomorrow, its that simple.Turquoise wrote:
Don't you find it odd then that tobacco and alcohol are legal while pot isn't? Both of them are listed as much more harmful and addictive than pot?Need some counter info to be useful. Data from the Lancet is useful, your recollection not so much.Rommel wrote:
I don't have the time to find you the graphs/and #'s I have seen
Ok the 2 graphs I wanted to show you I am not able to find at the moment but I will post them when I find them. Here are things to look over.
This 1st link is huge in the amounts of information there is too skim over.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/126706/Why-Ma … d-be-Legal
2nd (this one's self explanatory)
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib … phs/07.htm
3rd (deaths relating to drugs, hint, marijuana = 0 deaths)
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib … phs/08.htm
4th (another deaths chart)
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib … phs/06.htm
5th (this link relates to the addictive additives in various drugs)
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib … phs/28.htm
6th (another interesting graph)
7th (toxicity level of various drugs)
That graph is absolutely incorrect.Dilbert_X wrote:
So cannabis is level with amphetamines for dependence, and ecstacy for physical harm.
Doesn't sound like the wonder safe addictionless drug everyone says it is.
I don't have the time to find you the graphs/and #'s I have seen (I've seen alot that prove otherwise trust me) but cannabis ranks much lower in the areas of dependence, physical harm, withdrawal, and toxicity level below that of alcohol, nicotine, amphetamine, cocaine, and ecstasy. Ecstasy/Alcohol ranked the worse for physcial harm, nicotine/heroin ranked the worse for withdrawal, Cocaine had the highest toxicity level.
Marijuana was barely even ranked compared to these drugs. Ask anyone or do spend very little time researching it and you will see for yourself.
That graph is bs.
I agree.Turquoise wrote:
Even if you add up all those costs, it's still cheaper than the costs of enforcing a ban and the costs that come with making a substance in high demand a prime criminal market with high profit.Dilbert_X wrote:
Less however many billion paying for dope induced car crashes, can't remember, doesn't each fatal car crash cost the state $1m in total?Rommel wrote:
Total = $80 Billion Dollars the US Government now has available for something else.
Less however many billion paying welfare for people who can no longer hold down a job because they fail to get to work on Monday mornings
Less however much paying for the consequences of however many extra people develop schizonphrenia as a result of smoking dope
Less however many billions of lost GDP because people don't work so hard because 'I'm like chilled and everythings cool, take it easy and stop hassling me man, whats the big panic dude? You need to relax and chill....'Can't in the UK either.FEOS wrote:
just like you can't have a still in your backyard, either.
Again, Prohibition pretty much destroys all logical support a ban should have for a relatively harmless substance like pot.
Keeping a ban in place for heroin and cocaine is more logical however.
And at whoever said it,, smoking marijuana does not cause schizophrania.
I have my facts pretty straight.FEOS wrote:
So you overlook the fact that it's already legal for non-smoking uses (and legal for medicinal uses in most states)?¦TØP¦ Rommel1l wrote:
I disagree with the taxing it though. Its a plant, we shouldnt get taxed from growing something in our backyard. Unless you like giving the ever-loving shit out of your money to the government.FEOS wrote:
You do realize that hemp is already legal for uses other than smoking, right?
As to whether medicinal/recreational mj use should be legal...absolutely. Tax the ever-loving shit out of it, too.
So your argument isn't the massive benefit to society that is the hemp plant. Your beef is that you can't toke it up legally. So argue that--don't use a smokescreen (no pun intended), talking all altruistic about how wonderful weed is for applications other than getting high.
And if you're going to legalize it, it must be regulated (just like alcohol). That means no growing a forest of your own Jamaican munchie-inducer in your backyard...just like you can't have a still in your backyard, either.
1. No, its not already legal fo non-smoking uses.
2. Its not legal for medicinal uses in most states because the last time I checked there were 52 states and only 14+- allow medicinal marijuana (Including mine).
My argument is simple: Marijuana should be significantly decriminalized or legalized for many different reasons.
I do care. Deeply in fact. Otherwise I wouldn't have spent the time to post 10 times in 2 different forums regarding the subject.Sgt.Davi wrote:
All I've seen from the OP is facts and figures he may not necessarily believe in for a cause that benefits him. Do you really give a fuck about the medicinal purposes of marijuana? I doubt it.
I just think its ridiculous that the United States government is wasting time and money trying to supress something that will never be supressed.
$30 Billion a year spent trying to police marijuana = $30 Billion
$50 Billion a year brought in on marijuana taxes (if legalized) = $50 Billion
Total = $80 Billion Dollars the US Government now has available for something else.
15% of the judicial court systems will now be free'd up as marijuana no longer results in prosecution.
Not to mention the government would be taking away $$ from drug smugglers(murderers) and people who are actually dangerous and shouldn't be funded by the very citizens the government is trying to protect.
The Government is supposed to be BY the people FOR the people.
Most of the people in this country support the decriminalization at the very least. Its back up by studies and supported by the medical field. Its wasting large sums of taxpayer money which could be spent otherwise.
Its time for people to wake up and see things for what they are instead of what they are told. Then maybe things will change.
$30 Billion a year spent trying to police marijuana = $30 Billion
$50 Billion a year brought in on marijuana taxes (if legalized) = $50 Billion
Total = $80 Billion Dollars the US Government now has available for something else.
15% of the judicial court systems will now be free'd up as marijuana no longer results in prosecution.
Not to mention the government would be taking away $$ from drug smugglers(murderers) and people who are actually dangerous and shouldn't be funded by the very citizens the government is trying to protect.
The Government is supposed to be BY the people FOR the people.
Most of the people in this country support the decriminalization at the very least. Its back up by studies and supported by the medical field. Its wasting large sums of taxpayer money which could be spent otherwise.
Its time for people to wake up and see things for what they are instead of what they are told. Then maybe things will change.
Alot of people who smoke weed, show up to work stoned now. Legalizing it wouldnt change much in that area.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
I'm sure some dope heads would be fired. I'm not saying that every person that smokes some weed is going to show up to work stoned, but I bet more then a few would.Dilbert_X wrote:
Who would lose their jobs?M5Sniper3 wrote:
The only problem I have with legalizing it is that the money the government would make on it would just pay for the welfare checks of people that lose their job because of it.
I disagree with the taxing it though. Its a plant, we shouldnt get taxed from growing something in our backyard. Unless you like giving the ever-loving shit out of your money to the government.FEOS wrote:
You do realize that hemp is already legal for uses other than smoking, right?¦TØP¦ Rommel1l wrote:
I'm going to break this two both of you. Outside the world you live in, Marijuana actually does a lot of good, but not so in the case of both your loser acquintances. Legalizing marijuana doesnt mean everyone is going to all of a sudden start lighting up and start smoking it. It means that a plant, a plant that holds 1,000's of uses in todays society, will now be legal to use for purposes other than smoking.Lotta_Drool wrote:
All parents should have a basement to house their 30 + year old pot head kid. What is funny is when pot heads get married and their wives treat them like they are their kids, that is funny as hell to watch.
Excerpts from actual conversation witnessed in presence of child. Pot use verified by smell.
Why can't I buy an X-Box its my money bitch.
Tim, I am not having this discussion with you again.
I work my ass off, and I'm gonna get one.
I'm leaving Tim. Are you comming or gonna walk home.
Fuuuuck, man. You bought Tim Jr. a bike for his B-day though.
I'm going to the car.
These are the people Obama will listen to.
The practical uses of the hemp plant are too long to list here. I think, beyond the smoking part, the hemp plants uses are a bit out of your perception range at this moment and time.
Instead of pinning the abilities and possibilities of a wonderful plant to one loser that you know, why dont you do some research and actually educate yourself on what your voting on instead of being unintelligent and just saying no and mentioning a loser you know.
Edit @ Lotta Drool. Pot bad for the environment? Actually hemp is better for the environment than anything we currently use. This country uses tons of plastics and non-recyclable materials when they could be replaced by hemp products.
How many 1,000s of acres of rainforest and trees are cut down for paper? Hemp produces 200% more fiber than trees. It takes a tree 60 years to mature and a hemp plant 4 months. Take a 100 plants of hemp in 4 months and you got 1 tree but it didnt take you 60 years? See the logic?
Hemp is also used to make hemp oil. This could be used for a source of energy that solves a lot of the energy needs.
Just read some comments on this original post's link and read up on what the possibilites are for Hemp. You'll find its amazing.
Oh and just to mention....why is Hemp illegal? Because a long time ago the cotton growers were losing money to hemp farmers because the hemp was more resourceful than cotton. So, low and behold, the plantations owners started a shit storm and the President made hemp illegal - Thus returning the cotton farmers profits back to par.
As to whether medicinal/recreational mj use should be legal...absolutely. Tax the ever-loving shit out of it, too.
@ xRBLx Here's a bit of information you might find interesting since you named your reason for a 'no' vote regarding your friend who sucks at life.
Marijuana Overdose
There is no existing evidence of anyone dying of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids (the chemicals in marijuana that make you high) necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1.
For comparison's sake, that ratio for alcohol is generally between 4:1 and 10:1. Alcohol overdoses claim approximately 5,000 casualties yearly, but marijuana overdoses kill no one as far as any official reports.
Brain Damage
Marijuana is psychoactive because it stimulates certain brain receptors, but it does not produce toxins that kill them (like alcohol), and it does not wear them out as other drugs may. There is no evidence that marijuana use causes brain damage. Studies performed on actual human populations will confirm these results, even for chronic marijuana users (up to 18 joints per day) after many years of use.
In fact, following the publication of two 1977 JAMA studies, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially announced its support for the decriminalization of marijuana.
In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly increasing alpha-wave activity in your brain. Alpha waves are generally associated with meditative and relaxed states, which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.
Heart Problems
It is accepted in medical circles today that marijuana use causes no evident long-term cardiovascular problems for normal persons. Marijuana smoking, however, does cause changes in the heart and body's circulation characteristic of stress, which may complicate preexisting cardiovascular problems like hypertension, cerebrovascular disease, and coronary atherosclerosis. Marijuana's effects on blood pressure are complex and inconsistent as of yet.
Hormones
Chronic marijuana use has not been found to alter testosterone or other sex hormone levels. In contrast, heavy alcohol use is known to lower these same testosterone levels.
Reproductive Damage
No trustworthy study has ever shown that marijuana use damages the reproductive system, or causes chromosome breakage. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system. Claims that marijuana use may impair hormone production, menstrual cycles, or fertility in females are both unproven and unfounded.
The Immune System
Studies in which lab rats were injected with extremely large quantities of THC (the active compound in marijuana) have found that marijuana (in such unrealistically huge quantities) does have an "immunosuppressive effect" in those lab rats, in that it temporarily shuts off certain cells in the liver called lymphocytes and macrophages. These macrophages are useful in fighting off bacterial, not viral, infections.
But this is only for the duration of intoxication. There also exists some evidence that marijuana metabolites remain in the lungs for up to seven months after smoking has ceased, possibly affecting the immune system of the lungs (but not by turning the cells off).
This said, doctors and researchers are still not sure that the immune system is actually negatively affected in realistic situations since there are no numbers to support the idea. In fact, three studies showed that THC might have actually stimulated the immune system in the people studied.
Cancer
Smoking marijuana has the potential to cause both bronchitis and cancer of the lungs, throat, and neck, but this is generally no different than inhaling any other burnt carbon-containing matter since they all increase the number of lesions (and therefore possible infections) in your airways.
The Gateway Effect
Marijuana use has not been found to act as a gateway drug to the use of harder drugs. Studies show that when the Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 70's, heroin and cocaine use substantially declined, despite a slight increase in marijuana use.
If the stepping stone theory were true, use should have gone up rather than down. In reality, it appears that marijuana use tends to substitute for the use of relatively more dangerous hard drugs like cocaine and heroin, rather than lead to their use.
Thus, oftentimes strict marijuana laws themselves are the most significant factor involved in moving on to harder drugs like cocaine. Such is the case in Nevada and Arizona, the states toughest on marijuana use.
Marijuana Overdose
There is no existing evidence of anyone dying of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids (the chemicals in marijuana that make you high) necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1.
For comparison's sake, that ratio for alcohol is generally between 4:1 and 10:1. Alcohol overdoses claim approximately 5,000 casualties yearly, but marijuana overdoses kill no one as far as any official reports.
Brain Damage
Marijuana is psychoactive because it stimulates certain brain receptors, but it does not produce toxins that kill them (like alcohol), and it does not wear them out as other drugs may. There is no evidence that marijuana use causes brain damage. Studies performed on actual human populations will confirm these results, even for chronic marijuana users (up to 18 joints per day) after many years of use.
In fact, following the publication of two 1977 JAMA studies, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially announced its support for the decriminalization of marijuana.
In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly increasing alpha-wave activity in your brain. Alpha waves are generally associated with meditative and relaxed states, which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.
Heart Problems
It is accepted in medical circles today that marijuana use causes no evident long-term cardiovascular problems for normal persons. Marijuana smoking, however, does cause changes in the heart and body's circulation characteristic of stress, which may complicate preexisting cardiovascular problems like hypertension, cerebrovascular disease, and coronary atherosclerosis. Marijuana's effects on blood pressure are complex and inconsistent as of yet.
Hormones
Chronic marijuana use has not been found to alter testosterone or other sex hormone levels. In contrast, heavy alcohol use is known to lower these same testosterone levels.
Reproductive Damage
No trustworthy study has ever shown that marijuana use damages the reproductive system, or causes chromosome breakage. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system. Claims that marijuana use may impair hormone production, menstrual cycles, or fertility in females are both unproven and unfounded.
The Immune System
Studies in which lab rats were injected with extremely large quantities of THC (the active compound in marijuana) have found that marijuana (in such unrealistically huge quantities) does have an "immunosuppressive effect" in those lab rats, in that it temporarily shuts off certain cells in the liver called lymphocytes and macrophages. These macrophages are useful in fighting off bacterial, not viral, infections.
But this is only for the duration of intoxication. There also exists some evidence that marijuana metabolites remain in the lungs for up to seven months after smoking has ceased, possibly affecting the immune system of the lungs (but not by turning the cells off).
This said, doctors and researchers are still not sure that the immune system is actually negatively affected in realistic situations since there are no numbers to support the idea. In fact, three studies showed that THC might have actually stimulated the immune system in the people studied.
Cancer
Smoking marijuana has the potential to cause both bronchitis and cancer of the lungs, throat, and neck, but this is generally no different than inhaling any other burnt carbon-containing matter since they all increase the number of lesions (and therefore possible infections) in your airways.
The Gateway Effect
Marijuana use has not been found to act as a gateway drug to the use of harder drugs. Studies show that when the Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 70's, heroin and cocaine use substantially declined, despite a slight increase in marijuana use.
If the stepping stone theory were true, use should have gone up rather than down. In reality, it appears that marijuana use tends to substitute for the use of relatively more dangerous hard drugs like cocaine and heroin, rather than lead to their use.
Thus, oftentimes strict marijuana laws themselves are the most significant factor involved in moving on to harder drugs like cocaine. Such is the case in Nevada and Arizona, the states toughest on marijuana use.
I'm going to break this two both of you. Outside the world you live in, Marijuana actually does a lot of good, but not so in the case of both your loser acquintances. Legalizing marijuana doesnt mean everyone is going to all of a sudden start lighting up and start smoking it. It means that a plant, a plant that holds 1,000's of uses in todays society, will now be legal to use for purposes other than smoking.Lotta_Drool wrote:
All parents should have a basement to house their 30 + year old pot head kid. What is funny is when pot heads get married and their wives treat them like they are their kids, that is funny as hell to watch.xRBLx wrote:
Vote no.
What will be next? Crack? Needles?
I have a friend who smokes pot and is in his late 30's and is a wreck he is unsocial and lazy he also has some thing the matter with his skin.
This don't sound like much but when you're too stoned to look after you're own house or family it becomes a HUGE issue.
Excerpts from actual conversation witnessed in presence of child. Pot use verified by smell.
Why can't I buy an X-Box its my money bitch.
Tim, I am not having this discussion with you again.
I work my ass off, and I'm gonna get one.
I'm leaving Tim. Are you comming or gonna walk home.
Fuuuuck, man. You bought Tim Jr. a bike for his B-day though.
I'm going to the car.
These are the people Obama will listen to.
The practical uses of the hemp plant are too long to list here. I think, beyond the smoking part, the hemp plants uses are a bit out of your perception range at this moment and time.
Instead of pinning the abilities and possibilities of a wonderful plant to one loser that you know, why dont you do some research and actually educate yourself on what your voting on instead of being unintelligent and just saying no and mentioning a loser you know.
Edit @ Lotta Drool. Pot bad for the environment? Actually hemp is better for the environment than anything we currently use. This country uses tons of plastics and non-recyclable materials when they could be replaced by hemp products.
How many 1,000s of acres of rainforest and trees are cut down for paper? Hemp produces 200% more fiber than trees. It takes a tree 60 years to mature and a hemp plant 4 months. Take a 100 plants of hemp in 4 months and you got 1 tree but it didnt take you 60 years? See the logic?
Hemp is also used to make hemp oil. This could be used for a source of energy that solves a lot of the energy needs.
Just read some comments on this original post's link and read up on what the possibilites are for Hemp. You'll find its amazing.
Oh and just to mention....why is Hemp illegal? Because a long time ago the cotton growers were losing money to hemp farmers because the hemp was more resourceful than cotton. So, low and behold, the plantations owners started a shit storm and the President made hemp illegal - Thus returning the cotton farmers profits back to par.
Yes I agree also. There are thousands of comments supporting your opinion along with this idea at the link. Go vote and do your part to help this policy get reversed.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
I think it should be at the very least decriminalized. There are other criminals that should be in jail instead of college kids caught smoking pot under a tree.
Thanks.
Romm
After reading this please,, follow the link and go vote for the Decriminalization of Marijuana.
"I will open the doors of government and ask you to be involved in your own democracy again." - President - Elect Barack Obama
What Are Your Top 10 Ideas for Change in America?
The Ideas for Change in America competition was created in response to Barack Obama's call for increased citizen involvement in government. The final round of voting began on January 5 and is comprised of the top 3 rated ideas from each of the 30 issues in the first round of the competition, which collectively received more than 250,000 votes.
The top 10 rated ideas from the final round will be presented to the Obama administration on January 16th at an event at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, co-hosted by the Case Foundation. At the event we will also announce the launch of a national advocacy campaign behind each idea in collaboration with our nonprofit partners to turn each idea into actual policy.
The #1 Voted Idea for Change right now? = Legalize the Medicinal and Recreational Use of Marijuana
(Do you want to tell Barack Obama that Marijuana should be legal or decriminalized? Then go register on this website and please vote yes for the Marijiuana Decriminalization. Link: http://www.change.org/ideas?order=top#listSection)
I voted yes and I'm hoping alot of other people do as well. Please, take the time to vote yes, and pass this information on to any relevant source you think of. I already posted a bulletin on Myspace and Im trying to get all my friends to vote as well.
Cheers all-
Romm
"I will open the doors of government and ask you to be involved in your own democracy again." - President - Elect Barack Obama
What Are Your Top 10 Ideas for Change in America?
The Ideas for Change in America competition was created in response to Barack Obama's call for increased citizen involvement in government. The final round of voting began on January 5 and is comprised of the top 3 rated ideas from each of the 30 issues in the first round of the competition, which collectively received more than 250,000 votes.
The top 10 rated ideas from the final round will be presented to the Obama administration on January 16th at an event at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, co-hosted by the Case Foundation. At the event we will also announce the launch of a national advocacy campaign behind each idea in collaboration with our nonprofit partners to turn each idea into actual policy.
The #1 Voted Idea for Change right now? = Legalize the Medicinal and Recreational Use of Marijuana
(Do you want to tell Barack Obama that Marijuana should be legal or decriminalized? Then go register on this website and please vote yes for the Marijiuana Decriminalization. Link: http://www.change.org/ideas?order=top#listSection)
I voted yes and I'm hoping alot of other people do as well. Please, take the time to vote yes, and pass this information on to any relevant source you think of. I already posted a bulletin on Myspace and Im trying to get all my friends to vote as well.
Cheers all-
Romm
Lmao........Turquoise wrote:
I didn't say we had to keep the people there.SgtHeihn wrote:
Fuck that, who wants that shit hole.Turquoise wrote:
Time to annex....
I met Boehner once here in Troy while he was watching a parade. I didn't actually talk to him but I watched him as my friend Gretchen was introduced to him because she was in love with the guy. He just said hello and blew her off in a way that left me seeing him as a cold, heartless person. Ever since I've never really cared much for the guy. Maybe I just saw it wrong or the guy had a lot on his mind. Was a very bad first impression though.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Wow. Another Republican bashing thread. Let's do some debate and serious talk on this...san4 wrote:
The reason I love this quote is that he's so obviously full of shit.san4 wrote:
I love this.
He's so full of shit because his Dad ran a bar? Or is he full of shit because he from a large family? Or is he full of shit because he grew up outside of Cincinnati? Or is he full of shit for looking forward to leading the Republican party? Or is he full of shit he believes that if you work hard and believe in yourself there is nothing you can't achieve? Or is it because he likened it to the Republican Party?
I'll choose the Bold face... Tough for you to Monica here, but working hard and being successful is part of the Republican philosophy. The only thing full of shit here is your post.
usmarine wrote:
i agree with this whole thread so far
Lmao.....TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Be interesting to see how they go about stopping small arms fire damaging that rather fragile looking lense. $36m for a big shiney laser than can be rendered useless by a mentalist with an AK isn't very good.
Umm, no, not really interesting because they will be protected by surrounding defense systems. No need to put a unit capable of shooting near speed of light lasers at long range near the front lines. These will be back off the front heavily defended.
I agree.Spearhead wrote:
Its pretty ridiculous how you can die for your country but not order a beer.
Couldnt have said it any better well said.....weerdfoo1 wrote:
21 December 2012 is just a date that some people became really paranoid about when they read on the internet that an ancient calendar suddenly ends on that date. In reality, most experts on the Mayan calendar believe that Mayans considered it a mark of the beginning of the age of enlightenment for the human species (basically a "spiritual" awakening). As for the scientific community on this date, it ranges all the way from a galactic alignment causing polar shift to sun flares destroying what infrastructure we currently have, but the evidence is not sufficient enough to make a definitive statement.
As for September 2008, well...this is the first I've ever heard of anything happening on this month so I'm completely lost on this one.
The people pulling the strings have a plan much greater than anything you can comprehend.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Iraq is a financial disaster and will be the end of the US as a superpower. Bush sold out the US and my kid's future for Iraq and Mexicans.
Sorry, but spending US money to tear down an oil rich country just to rebuild it with US money will always equal failure for the US. Our leaders are fucking idiots and should all be hung for treason against MY country.
Obama sworn in on his Bible:God Save the Queen wrote:
is it because he swore in with a koran...fadedsteve wrote:
Fuck, the way the press treats Obama he IS the next messiah. . . . .
Personally, I think he (Obama) is completely and totally full of shit!
An anonymous e-mail says Barack Obama took the oath of office for the U.S. Senate on a Koran, the holy book of Islam. We thought it would be odd if that were true, since Obama is a Christian. In fact, it is wrong.
The e-mail also spells the book's name "Kuran," though usually it is spelled Koran or Quran.
Two press reports from Obama's swearing-in ceremony in January 2005 mention specifically that Obama took the oath of office by placing his hand on his own copy of the Bible. The Barack Obama campaign also confirmed that it was a Bible and that the book belonged to Obama. Vice President Dick Cheney, in his role as president of the Senate, administered the oath.
After being raised outside of any particular faith tradition, Obama became a Christian in his mid 20s and is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. (Obama gave what are arguably his most extended remarks on his faith at the "Call to Renewal" religious conference in 2006; read the speech here.)
We suspect this false claim was inspired by the 2007 swearing-in of Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., an American convert to Islam and the first Muslim elected to Congress. Ellison used a Koran that once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, borrowing the rare book from the Library of Congress.
It goes without saying that Ellison is not Obama. And with its intent to inflame, we find the e-mail's allegation not only false, but wrong.
This video sums it up pretty well..............