Unless they are fighting against the government of the U.K., it isn't treason. In any case, in the U.S. traitors aren't stripped of their citizenship. Even the ones who worked for the Soviet Union.
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Why would we do that? That's just downright mean.
UK never said anything about stripping citizenship, only stripping passports. I'd say you should strip citizenship only if someone has another nationality and wouldn't become stateless if they commit acts of treason.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Unless they are fighting against the government of the U.K., it isn't treason. In any case, in the U.S. traitors aren't stripped of their citizenship. Even the ones who worked for the Soviet Union.
Mactbeth stop being dumb, what foreign jihadis are doing is essentially treason.
If you're born in the UK and start shooting at coalition troops in Iraq/A-stan, how is that not treason?
Either way the fuckers should be charged with the max penalty for treason.
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You should only strip citizenship if they were a member of a terrorist organization before they applied for citizenship. Otherwise no. There aren't any coalition troops in Iraq, the place where these people are being sent. I'm fine with charging them with violating neutrality laws, I'm sure the U.K. has some of those but do not strip them of their citizenship. Even if you lock them away somewhere permanently. Citizenship is supposed to be a sacred and special thing. We shouldn't be flippant with stripping people of theirs. It undermines the concept and importance of citizenship.Britons who fight for Isil in Iraq and Syria should be considered traitors and stripped of their British citizenship, the former shadow home secretary has said.
David Davis said Theresa May’s response to “psychopathic” jihadists has been “uncertain and limp” and she must permanently expel them from Britain before they return to commit atrocities.
The Home Secretary should defy Whitehall lawyers who argue rendering a person stateless is a breach of international law, Mr Davis said, arguing it is “not our problem” if Jihadists are stranded abroad.
"FORMER SHADOW Home Secretary"
I stand corrected, the UK does have provisions to revoke citizenship if they were deemed "undesirable to the public good." However no one has been stripped of citizenship as of yet and those are comments from the FORMER SHADOW home secretary.SuperJail Warden wrote:
You should only strip citizenship if they were a member of a terrorist organization before they applied for citizenship. Otherwise no. There aren't any coalition troops in Iraq, the place where these people are being sent. I'm fine with charging them with violating neutrality laws, I'm sure the U.K. has some of those but do not strip them of their citizenship. Even if you lock them away somewhere permanently. Citizenship is supposed to be a sacred and special thing. We shouldn't be flippant with stripping people of theirs. It undermines the concept and importance of citizenship.Britons who fight for Isil in Iraq and Syria should be considered traitors and stripped of their British citizenship, the former shadow home secretary has said.
David Davis said Theresa May’s response to “psychopathic” jihadists has been “uncertain and limp” and she must permanently expel them from Britain before they return to commit atrocities.
The Home Secretary should defy Whitehall lawyers who argue rendering a person stateless is a breach of international law, Mr Davis said, arguing it is “not our problem” if Jihadists are stranded abroad.
I don't believe someone should be made stateless, however if they do have a secondary citizenship and decided to go fight for ISIS, then they very well be stripped of their citizenship.
http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/ … ality.html
There are provisions in the US to lose citizenship as well.
If you're attempting to put an islamic flag on the white house, is that not an act of treason and attempt to overthrow the US government?conviction for an act of treason against the Government of the United States or for attempting to force to overthrow the Government of the United States (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).
First act is to remove their passports to prevent them from travelling abroad. A passport is not your personal property, it is government property and they can revoke it any time.
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I know it was a former shadow minster but it is still part of their national discourse and supported by a significant amount of people there.
We do have provisions to strip people of citizenship. But they are rarely enforced. Here is a list of everyone stripped of their U.S. citizenship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_de … ted_States
As you can see, they are overwhelmingly people who lied on their applications. And none of them are people who were citizens at birth. Our legacy isn't nearly as flippant as the one proposed by many in Europe.
Unless you are actively plotting violence, or assisting it by funding or actions, you are perfectly entitled to believe anything or support any movement you want in the U.S. We also have a few specific reasons to revoke a passport.
http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates … strictions
Again mostly for fraud. Revoking a passport for being opposed to the government is something the Soviet Union would do.
We aren't disagreeing about much really and are both obviously opposed to people being made stateless. But you do realize that the people who want to revoke dual nationals citizenship don't intend to stop at dual passport holders, right? You know where the logical conclusion of this will go?
We do have provisions to strip people of citizenship. But they are rarely enforced. Here is a list of everyone stripped of their U.S. citizenship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_de … ted_States
As you can see, they are overwhelmingly people who lied on their applications. And none of them are people who were citizens at birth. Our legacy isn't nearly as flippant as the one proposed by many in Europe.
Unless you are actively plotting violence, or assisting it by funding or actions, you are perfectly entitled to believe anything or support any movement you want in the U.S. We also have a few specific reasons to revoke a passport.
http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates … strictions
Again mostly for fraud. Revoking a passport for being opposed to the government is something the Soviet Union would do.
We aren't disagreeing about much really and are both obviously opposed to people being made stateless. But you do realize that the people who want to revoke dual nationals citizenship don't intend to stop at dual passport holders, right? You know where the logical conclusion of this will go?
No revoking a passport because you're a fuckwit who wants to blow up schools overseas and participate in terrorist activities is what any country would do. Passports get cancelled for a lot smaller shit too. You can be barred from a passport if you keep losing it in a certain time period. The passports being cancelled aren't random people, they're people where there's enough evidence that they would be travelling overseas to fight with ISIS.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I know it was a former shadow minster but it is still part of their national discourse and supported by a significant amount of people there.
We do have provisions to strip people of citizenship. But they are rarely enforced. Here is a list of everyone stripped of their U.S. citizenship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_de … ted_States
As you can see, they are overwhelmingly people who lied on their applications. And none of them are people who were citizens at birth. Our legacy isn't nearly as flippant as the one proposed by many in Europe.
Unless you are actively plotting violence, or assisting it by funding or actions, you are perfectly entitled to believe anything or support any movement you want in the U.S. We also have a few specific reasons to revoke a passport.
http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates … strictions
Again mostly for fraud. Revoking a passport for being opposed to the government is something the Soviet Union would do.
We aren't disagreeing about much really and are both obviously opposed to people being made stateless. But you do realize that the people who want to revoke dual nationals citizenship don't intend to stop at dual passport holders, right? You know where the logical conclusion of this will go?
What are you talking about dual nationality for? If you were say a US citizen with a candian passport, good luck getting out of america without your US passport.
more cops killing people and getting away with it. they're finding new ways to do it too
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Odds of an independent Scotland?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-sco … s-29289035Scottish referendum: Gordon Brown vows 'powers will be delivered'
Except you're not prime minister you moran, you're a delusional and failed former PM whose word means nothing.
I hope the British parliament votes against all that nonsense.
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It bothers me a little that the U.S. and western world's economy is anemic but our banks just threw billions at the Chinese Alibaba. The company does 99% of their business in China...
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breaks my heart
I know a lot of HKers who would've liked Hong Kong to be kept as a British Colony.
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I never liked Lena Dunham. I am not surprised to find out she is a child molester.
I don't even understand the uproar on the internetz about her. Can you give me a summary?
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Assuming you know who she is, Lena wrote some disturbing things about her and her sister's relationship growing up her in new book.
and“Do we all have uteruses?” I asked my mother when I was seven.
“Yes,” she told me. “We’re born with them, and with all our eggs, but they start out very small. And they aren’t ready to make babies until we’re older.”
I looked at my sister, now a slim, tough one-year-old, and at her tiny belly. I imagined her eggs inside her, like the sack of spider eggs in Charlotte’s Web, and her uterus, the size of a thimble.
“Does her vagina look like mine?”
“I guess so,” my mother said. “Just smaller.”
One day, as I sat in our driveway in Long Island playing with blocks and buckets, my curiosity got the best of me. Grace was sitting up, babbling and smiling, and I leaned down between her legs and carefully spread open her vagina. She didn’t resist, and when I saw what was inside I shrieked. “My mother came running. “Mama, Mama! Grace has something in there!”
My mother didn’t bother asking why I had opened Grace’s vagina. This was within the spectrum of things that I did. She just got on her knees and looked for herself. It quickly became apparent that Grace had stuffed six or seven pebbles in there. My mother removed them patiently while Grace cackled, thrilled that her prank had been such a success.
andAs she grew, I took to bribing her for her time and affection: one dollar in quarters if I could do her makeup like a “motorcycle chick.” Three pieces of candy if I could kiss her on the lips for five seconds. Whatever she wanted to watch on TV if she would just “relax on me.” Basically, anything a sexual predator might do to woo a small suburban girl I was trying.
There are other things in her vile book that I will leave to you to find. I never liked this woman. I'm completely down with feminism but they really need to find a new mascot to rally around and not this annoying privileged little monster.I shared a bed with my sister, Grace, until I was seventeen years old. She was afraid to sleep alone and would begin asking me around 5:00 P.M. every day whether she could sleep with me. I put on a big show of saying no, taking pleasure in watching her beg and sulk, but eventually I always relented. Her sticky, muscly little body thrashed beside me every night as I read Anne Sexton, watched reruns of SNL, sometimes even as I slipped my hand into my underwear to figure some stuff out.
Can somebody briefly explain to me the issue between Maggie Thatcher and the Hillsborough Disaster? I watched the 30 for 30 about it and understand the issue of the police blaming all the football fans (who did nothing wrong), but I don't get how Maggie Thatcher ties in (and subsequently why everyone [having to do with the disaster] was so happy when she died. I get not liking the ultra-conservativeness and being happy for that reason, not the disaster stuff).
Oh I heard about that...but why is she so popular? I had never heard of her until her book came out. I'm just wondering why she's being mentioned.
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Lena Dunham is the writer, producer, and main star of the terrible HBO show Girls. The New York Times has written 300 articles about her these last 4 years. Her show is supposed to be about how the modern twenty something woman in America lives. Her character and her true life is supposed to be the voice of a generation. This is according to all the Manhattan based "liberal" media.
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/28/like_it … n_partner/
"Lena Dunham really is the voice of my generation — for better or worse"
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/books … .html?_r=0
"A Voice of a Generation Lena Dunham's 'Not That Kind of Girl'"
http://time.com/3425759/lena-dunham-a-g … ous-voice/
Lena Dunham: A Generation’s Gutsy, Ambitious Voice
Wallstreet journal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gw0CY75sKI
"Lena Dunham: This Year's Voice of a Generation"
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ … z3IFNMKr00
"With her fearless show, Dunham may be the voice of a generation of women"
Conservatives hate her due to strong and outspoken support for far left social causes. She isn't afraid of saying offensive things or taking off all of her clothes too make a point about feminism, abortion, or some other bullshit. Her outspokenness has also greatly alienated many people who are part of the feminist movement. Many within her movement, especially third wave feminist hate her. Justifiably so...
I hate her because she represents everything I dislike about the American left. She is the child of two very famous counter culture artist and grew up in a 6.5 million dollar mansion in NYC. She is not representative of 99% of young Americans. People our age overwhelmingly are not famous artist like this Ivy League bitch and have a whole host of issues that are alien to her and her kind. For all of their talk about the 99%, the supposedly progressive media is awfully transfixed on upper-middle class culture and values which most people are alienated from. So many on the ground on the left resent Dunham. She doesn't help herself when she says she cares more about starving dogs in India than she cares about poor Indian children. Or when she writes off how her show whitewashed NYC.
All that being said, do you find what was quoted previously problematic?
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/28/like_it … n_partner/
"Lena Dunham really is the voice of my generation — for better or worse"
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/books … .html?_r=0
"A Voice of a Generation Lena Dunham's 'Not That Kind of Girl'"
http://time.com/3425759/lena-dunham-a-g … ous-voice/
Lena Dunham: A Generation’s Gutsy, Ambitious Voice
Wallstreet journal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gw0CY75sKI
"Lena Dunham: This Year's Voice of a Generation"
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ … z3IFNMKr00
"With her fearless show, Dunham may be the voice of a generation of women"
Conservatives hate her due to strong and outspoken support for far left social causes. She isn't afraid of saying offensive things or taking off all of her clothes too make a point about feminism, abortion, or some other bullshit. Her outspokenness has also greatly alienated many people who are part of the feminist movement. Many within her movement, especially third wave feminist hate her. Justifiably so...
I hate her because she represents everything I dislike about the American left. She is the child of two very famous counter culture artist and grew up in a 6.5 million dollar mansion in NYC. She is not representative of 99% of young Americans. People our age overwhelmingly are not famous artist like this Ivy League bitch and have a whole host of issues that are alien to her and her kind. For all of their talk about the 99%, the supposedly progressive media is awfully transfixed on upper-middle class culture and values which most people are alienated from. So many on the ground on the left resent Dunham. She doesn't help herself when she says she cares more about starving dogs in India than she cares about poor Indian children. Or when she writes off how her show whitewashed NYC.
All that being said, do you find what was quoted previously problematic?
LOL third wave feminists. Kudos for beign able to keep track of all that stuff.
I actually don't find it problematic. Her "non-fiction" is probably just as true and in the same vein as "A Million Little Pieces". I don't find her writing to be all that great and it's probably greatly embellished to cause a knee-jerk reaction. Good for her for finding a way to make money. That's all I see it as. I'd never read that schlock but i guess there's an audience for it...
I actually don't find it problematic. Her "non-fiction" is probably just as true and in the same vein as "A Million Little Pieces". I don't find her writing to be all that great and it's probably greatly embellished to cause a knee-jerk reaction. Good for her for finding a way to make money. That's all I see it as. I'd never read that schlock but i guess there's an audience for it...
I don't know specifically about a connection with Hillsborough, but the Maggon backed the Police to the hilt on anything and everything.pirana6 wrote:
Can somebody briefly explain to me the issue between Maggie Thatcher and the Hillsborough Disaster? I watched the 30 for 30 about it and understand the issue of the police blaming all the football fans (who did nothing wrong), but I don't get how Maggie Thatcher ties in (and subsequently why everyone [having to do with the disaster] was so happy when she died. I get not liking the ultra-conservativeness and being happy for that reason, not the disaster stuff).
After ~10 years in power pretty well any public figure becomes tiresome, I still remember where I was when I heard she'd resigned - a Kennedy moment for a Brit.
She wasn't even ultra-conservative on some things, she massively expanded the welfare state.
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I don't think video games cause real life violence but I think they normalize it. The same way watching pornography doesn't cause you to have sex but normalizes promiscuous behavior. Consuming large amounts of any sort of media will change your outlook regarding its subject matter. People aren't machines. We are influenced by the things around us.
Why don't you go read the studies on video game violence and its effect on people. theres hundreds of studies instead of just "i think dis"SuperJail Warden wrote:
I don't think video games cause real life violence but I think they normalize it..
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Why don't you go read articles some studies? I will link you to some.Cybargs wrote:
Why don't you go read the studies on video game violence and its effect on people. theres hundreds of studies instead of just "i think dis"SuperJail Warden wrote:
I don't think video games cause real life violence but I think they normalize it..
"Interactive Effect of Moral Disengagement and Violent Video Games on Self-Control, Cheating, and Aggression"
http://spp.sagepub.com/content/5/4/451Violent video games glorify and reward immoral behaviors (e.g., murder, assault, rape, robbery, arson, motor vehicle theft). Based on the moral disengagement theory, we predicted that violent games would increase multiple immoral behaviors (i.e., lack of self-control, cheating, aggression), especially for people high in moral disengagement... Results showed that violent video games decreased self-control and increased cheating and aggression, especially for people high in moral disengagement.
"Mediators and Moderators of Long-term Effects of Violent Video Games on Aggressive Behavior: Practice, Thinking, and Action"
http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article … id=1850198Longitudinal latent growth curve modeling demonstrated that the effects of violent video game play are mediated primarily by aggressive cognitions. This effect is not moderated by sex, prior aggressiveness, or parental monitoring and is only slightly moderated by age, as younger children had a larger increase in initial aggressive cognition related to initial violent game play at the beginning of the study than older children. Model fit was excellent for all models.
"Violent Video Games, Delinquency, and Youth Violence: New Evidence"
"Violent video games are associated with antisociality even in a clinical sample, and these effects withstand the robust influences of multiple correlates of juvenile delinquency and youth violence most notably psychopathy."
http://yvj.sagepub.com/content/11/2/132
"Violent Video Games Stress People Out and Make Them More Aggressive"
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 … 4/abstract
"Violent Video Games can Increase Aggression"
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/ … games.aspxPlaying violent video games like Doom, Wolfenstein 3D or Mortal Kombat can increase a person's aggressive thoughts, feelings and behavior both in laboratory settings and in actual life, according to two studies appearing in the April issue of the American Psychological Association's (APA) Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. Furthermore, violent video games may be more harmful than violent television and movies because they are interactive, very engrossing and require the player to identify with the aggressor, say the researchers.