SuperJail Warden
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Flat on his belly in a sniper position, wearing a baseball cap and a flak jacket, a protester aimed his semi-automatic rifle from the edge of an overpass and waited as a crowd below stood its ground against U.S. federal agents in the Nevada desert.

He was part of a 1,000-strong coalition of armed militia-men, cowboys on horseback, gun rights activists and others who rallied to Cliven Bundy's Bunkerville ranch, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, in a stand-off with about a dozen agents from the federal Bureau of Land Management.

The rangers had rounded up hundreds of Bundy's cattle, which had been grazing illegally on federal lands for two decades. Bundy had refused to pay grazing fees, saying he did not recognize the government's authority over the land, a view that attracted vocal support from some right-wing groups.

Citing public safety, the BLM retreated, suspending its operation and even handing back cattle it had already seized.

No shots were fired during the stand-off, which Bundy's triumphant supporters swiftly dubbed the "Battle of Bunkerville," but the government's decision to withdraw in the face of armed resistance has alarmed some who worry that it has set a dangerous precedent and emboldened militia groups.

"Do laws no longer apply when the radical right no longer agrees?" said Ryan Lenz, a writer for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors militia group activity.

Armed Americans using the threat of a gunfight to force federal officers to back down is virtually unparalleled in the modern era, militia experts said. But the BLM, which says it is now pursuing legal and administrative options to resolve the dispute, has won praise for stepping back and avoiding violence.

Energized by their success, Bundy's supporters are already talking about where else they can exercise armed defiance. They include groups deeply suspicious of what they see as a bloated, over-reaching government they fear wants to restrict their constitutional right to bear arms.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/ … mesticNews

A rancher in Nevada has been using Federal land for 20 years to graze his cows without paying fees because he doesn't believe in the federal government. He owes $1,000,000 in fees. The government started rounding up the cattle as they were authorized to by court order, and he called in the militia.

I think this is a terrible precedent. I hope this man is put in prison for a very long time.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6746|Moscow, Russia
are you fucking nuts? a freedom loving person gets wronged by teh evil government, then great american people rise in righteous fury to defend their neighbor, and you think that's a "terrible precedent"? you a stalinist or something?!
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
globefish23
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+334|6294|Graz, Austria
I love the irony that those morons oppose and don't believe in the federal government, yet immediately refer to the US constitution's second amendment, when it comes to their beloved guns.
jsnipy
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they tuk r jobs?
Steve-0
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our jobs, RIP

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lol, i just saw the name of the image . . .
SuperJail Warden
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Jerad and Amanda Miller, the man and woman who allegedly killed three people as well as themselves in Las Vegas on Sunday, bragged to neighbors about being part of renegade rancher Cliven Bundy’s gun-toting group, reports the Las Vegas Sun.

According to the Sun, former neighbors of the couple said the two would frequently talk about their extensive collection of guns as well as the time they spent with Bundy and his crew. In reference to the couple, Sue Hill, a former neighbor, said, “Yap, yap, yap. They were always running their mouths.”

Other neighbors claimed that the couple was “radicalized” after spending time with Bundy:
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Amazing turn of events.
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SuperJail Warden
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So the rancher in the OP's son took over a government building with a bunch of armed people.
Armed anti-government protesters have taken over a building in a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, accusing officials of unfairly punishing ranchers who refused to sell their land.

One them is Ammon Bundy, the 40-year-old son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who is well-known for anti-government action.


He spoke by phone to CNN on Sunday at 8 a.m. ET. Asked several times what he and those with him want, he answered in vague terms, saying that they want the federal government to restore the "people's constitutional rights."
...
"We are not terrorists," Ammon Bundy said. "We are concerned citizens and realize we have to act if we want to pass along anything to our children."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/oregon … index.html


One of the militia members who is famous for his armed protest of mosque made a good bye video to his family on youtube. He is prepared for "martyrdom"



These people are insane. Could you imagine if Muslims had done this?
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uziq
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muslims die for a divine purpose, these hicks die for property rights.
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,736|6708|Oxferd Ohire
no cause muslims like populated areas.
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uziq
Member
+492|3423
that's a puzzling way to describe the middle-east.
unnamednewbie13
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbGdMKpHDDE


These people are insane. Could you imagine if Muslims had done this?
He looks like one of those pub/restaurant dinner party guests who will get all wild-eyed and, almost frothing at the mouth, loudly dive into a political discussion with both hands gesticulating until both sides of the issue are leaning as far away from him as they can without falling off their chairs.

These people want to return non-existent land rights to poachers and arsonists? Am I supposed to be surprised?
KEN-JENNINGS
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They are fighting the good fight by occupying a deserted ranger station at a bird sanctuary.

interesting quotes from the story

"People need to be aware that we've become a system where government is actually claiming and using and defending people's rights, and they are doing that against the people."
Wonder what these dumbos have to say about corporations and other organizations being defined as citizens under Citizens United and precedent surrounding the 14th amendment.

The Hammonds have been clear in that they don't want help from the Bundy group.

"Neither Ammon Bundy nor anyone within his group/organization speak for the Hammond family," the Hammonds' attorney W. Alan Schroeder wrote to Harney County Sheriff David Ward.
They don't even have the backing of the people convicted of the crime.

The protest has prompted Harney County School District 3 to call off classes for the entire week, Superintendent Dr. Marilyn L. McBride said.

"Schools will open on January 11," she said. "Ensuring staff and student safety is our greatest concern."
Good job fucking idiots.  Impacting school schedules because of your little wannabe cowboys and indians imaginary battle.

The people in this movement strike me as nothing but paranoid white trash who want an excuse to play imaginary revolution.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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I hope they get arrested and put in prison for this.   The first time they confronted the government was fine if it was a one off thing. But this is probably going to be a trend with this group if they aren't punished.

As gratifying as it would be to see them massacred it is obviously better if the police just wait it out and arrest them once they get bored and return home.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5329|London, England
I think it's sad that people are focusing their bile at the nitwits rather than the mandatory minimums which are at the heart of the issue. The left really needs to get their shit together and pick bogeymen that don't undermine their own stated causes. Just because these guys have guns doesn't automatically make them the enemy.

Justice reform is justice reform no matter who is calling for it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SuperJail Warden
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5 years for starting a forest fire sounds reasonable.
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uziq
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'justice reform' = making youtube martyr videos?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5329|London, England

uziq wrote:

'justice reform' = making youtube martyr videos?
No, that's just dumb.

Justice reform as in standing up to the Department of Justice ordering them back to prison because the mandatory minimum sentence is 5 years rather than the more lenient and reasonable sentence handed down by the judge. Mandatory minimums should be abolished across the board. They're an ineffective and cruel absurdity.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
KEN-JENNINGS
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Jay, "the left" has been at the forefront in arguing against mandatory minimums in federal sentencing for over 20 years.  Keep up.

Where exactly have the Bundy's (or Hammonds) said they are protesting against mandatory minimum sentencing?  The only quotes I've read from anyone involved with the ranchers side invokes the asinine "sovereign citizen" mumbo jumbo about restoring citizen's "constitutional rights".  Are you reading something I'm not or are you creating your own narrative?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5329|London, England

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay, "the left" has been at the forefront in arguing against mandatory minimums in federal sentencing for over 20 years.  Keep up.
Right, but if you looked at twitter and the news over the past few days you'd see nothing but hatred from the left directed at these guys. I think they're morons and should've been locked up last time, but the cause they've taken up actually dovetails with the non-progressive lefts goals.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
uziq
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they are all about personal and private property and constitutional rights. the 'non-progressive left', by which i assume you mean the traditional left, are interested in socialism. are you trying to suggest these guys are somehow socialists because they are anti-government? i'm so confused as to how you are making these echt right-wing conservatives into left sympathisers, or somehow examples of the left's stupidity of public opinion.

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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5329|London, England

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay, "the left" has been at the forefront in arguing against mandatory minimums in federal sentencing for over 20 years.  Keep up.

Where exactly have the Bundy's (or Hammonds) said they are protesting against mandatory minimum sentencing?  The only quotes I've read from anyone involved with the ranchers side invokes the asinine "sovereign citizen" mumbo jumbo about restoring citizen's "constitutional rights".  Are you reading something I'm not or are you creating your own narrative?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ … regon.html
https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/03/on-o … qaeda-stop
https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/04/ranc … red-oregon
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Popehat/~3/SAdZRJIP3h0/
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SuperJail Warden
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They set 140 acres of forest on fire to cover up their crime while there were campers in the forest. They almost killed their own family during the incident. Cry me a river. 5 years is fair.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5329|London, England

uziq wrote:

they are all about personal and private property and constitutional rights. the 'non-progressive left', by which i assume you mean the traditional left, are interested in socialism. are you trying to suggest these guys are somehow socialists because they are anti-government? i'm so confused as to how you are making these echo right-wing conservatives into left sympathisers, or somehow examples of the left's stupidity of public opinion.
I'm saying that if you remove economics from the equation, they're on the same side in this instance.

Here, some satire for you: https://workersspatula.wordpress.com/20 … -brothers/
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5329|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:

They set 140 acres of forest on fire to cover up their crime while there were campers in the forest. They almost killed their own family during the incident. Cry me a river. 5 years is fair.
Well, I mean, you're a fascist, so to you, anything less than the death penalty is lenient.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Cybargs
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Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

'justice reform' = making youtube martyr videos?
No, that's just dumb.

Justice reform as in standing up to the Department of Justice ordering them back to prison because the mandatory minimum sentence is 5 years rather than the more lenient and reasonable sentence handed down by the judge. Mandatory minimums should be abolished across the board. They're an ineffective and cruel absurdity.
Ok sure, but you know there is a reason they got re-sentenced to 5 years minimum, there was an error of law during the trial by not giving the appropriate sentence.
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