Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN is due to be switched on at 08:30 BST on Wednesday.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/CMS_Yep2_descent.gif

Be afraid, be very afraid. (Just kidding, it should be perfectly safe)

There has been a lot of hype surrounding this series of experiments (there are 3 main experimental stations based around the 27km particle accelerator (which the particles will travel around 11,000 times a second before being collided)). Most of the hype has been concerning the fact it could suddenly destroy the world through a killer stranglet scenario (strange matter breaking down all existing matter in the world). One of the leading experts who is concerned that the team at CERN have not adequately calculated the risk involved is Dr Adrian Kent, a theoretical physicist at the university of Cambridge. Experts agree that they cannot rule out a degree of risk, but that risk is generally considered to be so slight that there is no need for alarm (an argument which prompted Dr Kent to pose the question "how improbable does a cataclysm have to be to warrant proceeding with an experiment?" - which is a very good question if you ask me).

The primary aim of the LHC is to verify and advance the standard model, primarily by discovery of the elusive Higgs particle (the particle counterpart to the Higgs field, which has never been detected, but is believed to give mass to some particles). Other aims include, discovery of new and unexpected particles that may tell us more about the origins of the universe in the very early stages of the Big Bang and potentially discovery of the graviton, which would give a lot more weight (if you'll pardon the pun) to String theory. Any way you look at it, they're likely to find something interesting, they're going to be gathering nearly 30TB of data every day, something in there's gotta be interesting.

Some people are really set against this experiment taking place:

BBC wrote:

In March, a complaint requesting an injunction against the LHC's switch-on was filed before the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii by seven plaintiffs.
I'm all for this experiment and care very little about the minuscule risks involved. I'd love to see some of the most fascinating physical theories of our age verified.

What are peoples opinions of this massive and potentially apocalyptic experiment?

(I am well aware there is another (very old - yet recently active) thread about this in Everything Else - this is supposed to be one for more serious discussion of it, though that may well prove to be a vain hope)
usmarine
Banned
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i dont see the point in this.  seems like a huge waste of money.  but w/e.
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6339|tropical regions of london
how many times have I read about this thing being switched on already?
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6577|SE London

usmarine wrote:

i dont see the point in this.  seems like a huge waste of money.  but w/e.
Advancement of theoretical physics leads to massive technological advances. Quantum theory led to the transistor and there are at least equally great potential advances that could be made through having a more in depth understanding of our universe and how it works.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6449|The Twilight Zone

Bertster7 wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Why do we need this again?
It was intended as a serious discussion of the experiments to be conducted at the LHC when it goes into operation on Wednesday. That doesn't look like it's going to happen, due in part to the delightfully insightful contributions from a few, who I imagine have no interest in theoretical physics whatsoever.
Alright thanks for explanation. But what will be the practical use of this collider?
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AussieReaper
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+5,761|6148|what

It's to prove\disprove the particles that are so far only theorized about.

We still don't know something as simple as why gravity is such a weak force, when compared to the strong nuclear force, for example.
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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6577|SE London

.Sup wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Why do we need this again?
It was intended as a serious discussion of the experiments to be conducted at the LHC when it goes into operation on Wednesday. That doesn't look like it's going to happen, due in part to the delightfully insightful contributions from a few, who I imagine have no interest in theoretical physics whatsoever.
Alright thanks for explanation. But what will be the practical use of this collider?
To discover more about the nature of the building blocks of the universe. Better understanding of particles and quantum physics in general could lead to all sorts of technological advances, particularly in electronics and potentially in energy generation (along with many, many other potential advances). Both of which are great things to advance.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6449|The Twilight Zone

Bertster7 wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


It was intended as a serious discussion of the experiments to be conducted at the LHC when it goes into operation on Wednesday. That doesn't look like it's going to happen, due in part to the delightfully insightful contributions from a few, who I imagine have no interest in theoretical physics whatsoever.
Alright thanks for explanation. But what will be the practical use of this collider?
To discover more about the nature of the building blocks of the universe. Better understanding of particles and quantum physics in general could lead to all sorts of technological advances, particularly in electronics and potentially in energy generation (along with many, many other potential advances). Both of which are great things to advance.
Sounds interesting. +1
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usmarine
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Bertster7 wrote:

who I imagine have no interest in theoretical physics whatsoever.
gee go figure, on a video game forum.

i guess people get confused becuase there are about 10 threads about this, not to mention the news stories.  so people tend to get lost with all the info and bollocks combined.
aerodynamic
FOCKING HELL
+241|5749|Roma
i was expecting something else
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Stimey
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Its only if an atom from a black hole gets in there, then it will make it bigger or something.
Edited out my rage.

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AussieReaper
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Stimey wrote:

Its only if an atom from a black hole gets in there, then it will make it bigger or something.
Edited out my rage.
edit again, it still makes no sense.
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Stimey
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Stimey wrote:

Its only if an atom from a black hole gets in there, then it will make it bigger or something.
Edited out my rage.
edit again, it still makes no sense.
To my understanding, there is only a 1 in a billion chance of the LHC actually creating a black hole.
A black hole by the LHC is only caused if a particle from a black hole (or something in space) gets in the way of the beam (or whatever the hell they fire).

Also, what if they find absolutely nothing in their experiments?
Would they be able to disprove the Big Bang Theory?

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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6577|SE London

Stimey wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Stimey wrote:

Its only if an atom from a black hole gets in there, then it will make it bigger or something.
Edited out my rage.
edit again, it still makes no sense.
To my understanding, there is only a 1 in a billion chance of the LHC actually creating a black hole.
A black hole by the LHC is only caused if a particle from a black hole (or something in space) gets in the way of the beam (or whatever the hell they fire).

Also, what if they find absolutely nothing in their experiments?
Would they be able to disprove the Big Bang Theory?
They could disprove the Big Bang theory, but not by finding nothing. There is already plenty of evidence the Big Bang theory is correct. They're trying to prove other things, like why particles have mass.
topthrill05
Member
+125|6573|Rochester NY USA
I think its the most fascinating stuff that is going on right now.

And I like the 10 threads because I continue to forget that it's happening.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6702|67.222.138.85

Berster7 wrote:

potentially discovery of the graviton, which would give a lot more weight (if you'll pardon the pun) to String theory.
wut?
ghettoperson
Member
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Berster7 wrote:

potentially discovery of the graviton, which would give a lot more weight (if you'll pardon the pun) to String theory.
wut?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

Have you really never heard of either?
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|6806|Nårvei

Shit ... my birthday is the day after the end of the world

If the earth doesn't go under on 910 we can celebrate 911 both as my birthday and LHC survivor day
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Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6464
Wait, doesn't the Hard-on Collider's destruction of the world in 2008 conflict with the Mayan's destruction of the world in 2012?

So which one is it?
Smithereener
Member
+138|6311|California

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Wait, doesn't the Hard-on Collider's destruction of the world in 2008 conflict with the Mayan's destruction of the world in 2012?

So which one is it?
By turning on the LHC, time will be fast-forwarded to 2012 so that these two doomsday devices don't conflict. It's all common sense really.
NateW
my sigs worse than yours
+191|6128

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Wait, doesn't the Hard-on Collider's destruction of the world in 2008 conflict with the Mayan's destruction of the world in 2012?

So which one is it?
Reactor #4 at chernobyl didn't explode right away.
These things take time.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6702|67.222.138.85

ghettoperson wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Berster7 wrote:

potentially discovery of the graviton, which would give a lot more weight (if you'll pardon the pun) to String theory.
wut?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

Have you really never heard of either?
Quite the opposite in fact.

I don't understand how the discovery of the graviton would help String theory against the various other theories. All theories that I know of require the existence of a gravitron, String theory is just one way of explaining why there is a gravitron.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6218|Escea

But can it make coffee? That's the question that needs to be answered.
Smithereener
Member
+138|6311|California

M.O.A.B wrote:

But can it make coffee? That's the question that needs to be answered.
It can only make black hole coffee, no lattes or whatever people buy at Starbucks, if that's alright with you.
=Karma-Kills=
"Don't post while intoxicated."
+356|6580|England

ghettoperson wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Berster7 wrote:

potentially discovery of the graviton, which would give a lot more weight (if you'll pardon the pun) to String theory.
wut?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

Have you really never heard of either?
Really more M Theory now...

But yeah, primarily the LHC is looking to dis/prove the existence of the Higgs Boson (and therefore field).

And isnt it like 1x10^-80 chance of creating a black hole?

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