Moo? Si!
Tall, Dark, Antlered
+39|6556|817---->907
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Science/20 … anes/5230/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/ … 2196.shtml

There seems to be holes in the global warming argument, good thing good science will eventually overcome emotional rhetoric.
SEREVENT
MASSIVE G STAR
+605|6535|Birmingham, UK
Lousy hurricanes, global warming does NOT help America, and it never will do.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7194|UK
Wow... it decreases hurricanes in the states? Yeah shame it increases them elsewhere... dunce.
andy12
Banned
+52|7085
Global warming will give Britain a climate similar to that of Southern France.

There's another one.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6838|'Murka

Really? The UK been hit by one recently?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|7053|Sea to globally-cooled sea
haha global warming = fail
PureFodder
Member
+225|6713
This has nothing to do with whether or not we're causing global warming. Anyone who thinks it does is simply showing a lack of understanding about the topic.

This is to do with the predicted results of global warming, a very different topic.
Moo? Si!
Tall, Dark, Antlered
+39|6556|817---->907

PureFodder wrote:

This has nothing to do with whether or not we're causing global warming. Anyone who thinks it does is simply showing a lack of understanding about the topic.

This is to do with the predicted results of global warming, a very different topic.
I think I speak for all of us when I say...Huh?
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6650|Escea

Global Warming is real, but overhyped. Global Warming is the natural version, Enhanced Global Warming is human contribution, strange how its always portrayed using the natural title.
adam1503
Member
+85|6816|Manchester, UK

FEOS wrote:

Really? The UK been hit by one recently?
Yes
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7185|Argentina

Moo? Si! wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

This has nothing to do with whether or not we're causing global warming. Anyone who thinks it does is simply showing a lack of understanding about the topic.

This is to do with the predicted results of global warming, a very different topic.
I think I speak for all of us when I say...Huh?
Not for me.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-01-24 11:39:29)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Warm water is the fuel for Hurricanes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22790698/  VS   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8245668/

I guess I'll just stop trying to understand...lol
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

adam1503 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Really? The UK been hit by one recently?
Yes
Was that an actual hurricane?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7185|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

Warm water is the fuel for Hurricanes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22790698/  VS   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8245668/

I guess I'll just stop trying to understand...lol
Another thing I saw on Discovery is that there are less hurricanes in America when there are more sandstorms in the Sahara, something to do with heat they produce and that stimulates the growth of algae.
adam1503
Member
+85|6816|Manchester, UK

Kmarion wrote:

Was that an actual hurricane?
Hurricane force winds and heavy rain battering the South East have caused flooding and travel chaos, with dozens of calls to the emergency services.

In East Sussex, gusts of 87mph were recorded at Fairlight, near Hastings.
According to the article, hurricane force winds were recorded.  But is there a difference between a 'hurricane' and hurricane-force winds?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6838|'Murka

Yes. A hurricane is a type of storm. Hurricane-force winds are just winds that hit a certain speed threshold and may not be associated with a storm at all.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
geNius
..!.,
+144|6869|SoCal
Good old-fashioned observations, FTW.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

FEOS wrote:

Yes. A hurricane is a type of storm. Hurricane-force winds are just winds that hit a certain speed threshold and may not be associated with a storm at all.
Hurricanes form over warm tropical waters also. 87 mph is still strong though. At about 75 it gets difficult to stand upright.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
PureFodder
Member
+225|6713

Moo? Si! wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

This has nothing to do with whether or not we're causing global warming. Anyone who thinks it does is simply showing a lack of understanding about the topic.

This is to do with the predicted results of global warming, a very different topic.
I think I speak for all of us when I say...Huh?
You claimed this showed a hole in the global warming argument, ie. the theory that man made pollutants are changing the global average temperature. This research is concerned with the question, 'given a increase in the global average temperature by any means, what will the results be.' Two very different things.

To put it in different terms, it's the same difference between studying how computers work and studying the social changes caused by comptuers. Showing that predictions about the changes caused by widespread computer use in society were wrong wouldn't prove that transistors don't exist.

Last edited by PureFodder (2008-01-24 16:45:18)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7102|Canberra, AUS

M.O.A.B wrote:

Global Warming is real, but overhyped. Global Warming is the natural version, Enhanced Global Warming is human contribution, strange how its always portrayed using the natural title.
Actually, I do find that rather odd. I supposed 'enhanced' is a rather complex word.

Hurricanes (or tropical cyclones) are, by what I remember, extremely intense low-pressure systems (hence the 'cyclone' part) that form in warm waters. I think what makes them hurricanes is the warm-water aspect, and the fact that they gain energy from warm water.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Moo? Si!
Tall, Dark, Antlered
+39|6556|817---->907

PureFodder wrote:

Moo? Si! wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

This has nothing to do with whether or not we're causing global warming. Anyone who thinks it does is simply showing a lack of understanding about the topic.

This is to do with the predicted results of global warming, a very different topic.
I think I speak for all of us when I say...Huh?
You claimed this showed a hole in the global warming argument, ie. the theory that man made pollutants are changing the global average temperature. This research is concerned with the question, 'given a increase in the global average temperature by any means, what will the results be.' Two very different things.

To put it in different terms, it's the same difference between studying how computers work and studying the social changes caused by comptuers. Showing that predictions about the changes caused by widespread computer use in society were wrong wouldn't prove that transistors don't exist.
Actually, I said there are holes in the global warming argument, this appears to be one of them, not "the smoking gun".  As another person posted, I was merely making an observation.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7144
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic … E_ID=57605

http://epa.gov/climatechange/science/pastcc.html

Globull warming... it's a business...

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2008-01-25 01:10:38)

Love is the answer
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7102|Canberra, AUS

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57605

http://epa.gov/climatechange/science/pastcc.html

Globull warming... it's a business...
Did you actually read the second site?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
PureFodder
Member
+225|6713

Moo? Si! wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Moo? Si! wrote:


I think I speak for all of us when I say...Huh?
You claimed this showed a hole in the global warming argument, ie. the theory that man made pollutants are changing the global average temperature. This research is concerned with the question, 'given a increase in the global average temperature by any means, what will the results be.' Two very different things.

To put it in different terms, it's the same difference between studying how computers work and studying the social changes caused by comptuers. Showing that predictions about the changes caused by widespread computer use in society were wrong wouldn't prove that transistors don't exist.
Actually, I said there are holes in the global warming argument, this appears to be one of them, not "the smoking gun".  As another person posted, I was merely making an observation.
No, it's not one of them. If the temperature increases we are seeing are due to us or natural cycles is utterly irrelevant to whether or not a global temperature rise causes more or less hurricanes. This has no relevance to the question of whether we are causing the global average temperature to rise due to our polluting of the atmosphere.

We know that the global average temperature is rising, we don't need to count hurricanes to find that out. Whether the temperature rise is due to some natural cycle or due to our action doesn't matter to hurricanes. All they care about is the temperature, not what's causing the temperature change.

So how does this research have any impact on the validity of the global warming argument?
Moo? Si!
Tall, Dark, Antlered
+39|6556|817---->907
One of the arguments of global warming is that it causes bigger and more frequent hurricanes.  Science is saying it doesn't ergo a hole in the argument.

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