BF2S Forums Are the taliban un-Islamic?

My ex-wife is Muslim and I lived with and among Muslims for a good portion of my life. I was raised christian and have christian beliefs but I'm not a regular church goer. In my experience, I see 2 types of Muslims. one that wants freedom to worship their religion without religious police, as the Taliban tended to be, peaceful and easy to get along with. Then there is the other, strict rules, strict laws and the desire to push their beliefs on to others even by violence. What I noticed in both is that there is no acceptance of any other religion...period!! My ex-wife wouldn't even step foot on anything that had to do with Christianity...even if it was a reception in a church hall, a funeral...etc. I also noticed that most peaceful Muslims were in fear of the radical side of their religion.  That fear controlled them, they wouldn't speak out and didn't speak up or challenge those types of Muslims.

Did they try to convert me? No....but they certainly didn't try to learn from me either. They accepted me for who I was but that was about as far as it would go. On a couple of occasions at gatherings with my wife, Muslims spoke around me not knowing I was not Muslim and I will never forget some of the conversations I listened to. These people were my neighbors, friends and sometimes relatives but were saying some things that were pretty shocking to me. It always made me wonder if they understood that they were in a country that allowed them to speak their voice, to practice their religion but in the same time live a life better than they had back home. Yet, I could hear some pretty strong hatred towards the same country who allowed them freedoms they didn't have back home. Ill never quite understand that. Anyhow, that is my experience and in my wife's eyes and the majority of Muslims I knew, always felt that groups like the Taliban, Hamas were un-Islamic and did not like how their religion is constantly kidnapped for radical justification and killing....although, they would never speak out against it because of the fear I mentioned before.

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

My ex-wife is Muslim and I lived with and among Muslims for a good portion of my life. I was raised christian and have christian beliefs but I'm not a regular church goer. In my experience, I see 2 types of Muslims. one that wants freedom to worship their religion without religious police, as the Taliban tended to be, peaceful and easy to get along with. Then there is the other, strict rules, strict laws and the desire to push their beliefs on to others even by violence. What I noticed in both is that there is no acceptance of any other religion...period!! My ex-wife wouldn't even step foot on anything that had to do with Christianity...even if it was a reception in a church hall, a funeral...etc. I also noticed that most peaceful Muslims were in fear of the radical side of their religion.  That fear controlled them, they wouldn't speak out and didn't speak up or challenge those types of Muslims.

Did they try to convert me? No....but they certainly didn't try to learn from me either. They accepted me for who I was but that was about as far as it would go. On a couple of occasions at gatherings with my wife, Muslims spoke around me not knowing I was not Muslim and I will never forget some of the conversations I listened to. These people were my neighbors, friends and sometimes relatives but were saying some things that were pretty shocking to me. It always made me wonder if they understood that they were in a country that allowed them to speak their voice, to practice their religion but in the same time live a life better than they had back home. Yet, I could hear some pretty strong hatred towards the same country who allowed them freedoms they didn't have back home. Ill never quite understand that. Anyhow, that is my experience and in my wife's eyes and the majority of Muslims I knew, always felt that groups like the Taliban, Hamas were un-Islamic and did not like how their religion is constantly kidnapped for radical justification and killing....although, they would never speak out against it because of the fear I mentioned before.

The 'freedom' and the 'life being better' arguments are entirely subjective. A good muslim practices complete submission to the will of allah and shouldn't fit too comfortably into capitalist society given the strong socialist agenda in many aspects of the Q'uran (alms and Zakat and all of that - same goes for the bible actually).

Some would argue that America would be a better place if it were like it was in the time of the American Indians - roaming the land, nobody owning it but all living off of it in relative harmony. It depends on how dearly you value MP3 players, large cars and a western society that will step over your dead body to get to work on time.

As for the Taliban - I hope they are un-Islamic and from those muslims I have met I'm of the opinion that they very much are un-Islamic.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-06-27 03:56:20)

Bubbalo wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Shall we start here?

And you're right, they haven't contributed much in modern times.  Kinda like all the other cultures the were lucky enough to recieve Western intervention.  Funny, that...................

Don't you understand, that was all BEFORE the rise of Islam. Besides, there were other countries not in the ME mentioned in that Article.

Uh, yeah, only, no.

Islam was 7th century, that was 9th.

Plus, what CamPoe said.

You didn't even read the article. Just because the word itself comes from an Arabic thing during an Islamic time, doesn't make the whole thing Arabic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Algebra

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-06-27 05:29:49)